News AMD Radeon 9000 series officially announced to go on sale in March 2025

[Tracer_Bullet]

Taking arithmetic avg of framerates is completely wrong as he does here. Gives more weight to higher framerates. But anyway, seems close to 4080 in raster and slower in RT.

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Now lets see if they make pricing mistakes again. They are losing market share quite severely since 2020. If they want people to switch, they will have to give a good price.
Nvidia prices are shit, just less shitty prices may not be enough to gain decent market share.

 

[Kaching999]

Taking arithmetic avg of framerates is completely wrong as he does here. Gives more weight to higher framerates.

When comparing cards as a whole you have to look at how they perform differently in different games, one is always going to perform better in some game, that is why I think this is alright. How would you suggest to compare them?

If they want people to switch, they will have to give a good price.

How much do you think they should be priced at?

 

[HE-MAN]

All is needed now is the value proposition by pricing it under Nvidia by decent margin, which wont happen and AMD will price them like Nvidia does..

 

[bssunilreddy]

All is needed now is the value proposition by pricing it under Nvidia by decent margin, which wont happen and AMD will price them like Nvidia does..

Then again Nvidia will take advantage of the situation caused by AMD's over ambitious pricing. This has been going since the past 6 years or so since AMD introduced their CPU's & GPU's.

 

[Tracer_Bullet]

When comparing cards as a whole you have to look at how they perform differently in different games, one is always going to perform better in some game, that is why I think this is alright. How would you suggest to compare them?

Yes, we look at a group of games, but then that has to be combined into a single number. Simple average is wrong for that.

Say you have test 1 : 100 vs 80 and test 2 : 20 vs 40
So 1.25x faster in test 1 and 0.5x in test 2.

Simple average gives 120/2 vs 120/2. ie equal. But that's clearly not equal.
I am no math expert, but this is very basic.
If looking at percentages, then we need to convert to ratios and multiply.
Anyway ..

How much do you think they should be priced at?

Dunno, i am not too interested. In terms of cost, i have no idea what their cost is.
5070ti is probably faster in RT and equal / slightly slower in raster.

Even if you consider that they are the same, Nvidia-50$ hasn't worked for them.
RT is better now, FSR4 is hopefully more competetive. But does it get close to DLSS 4 which seems to have made a major improvement,

If Nvidia supplies at 750$, then 650-600 is not too bad. I would definitely pick that if i had to buy. But will it compel people to buy ?
I dunno. Remember even at 750$ Nvidia is giving very bad value. Its a 5070 hidden as 5070ti. They did same last gen, and amd did same.
If Nvidia does not supply, then even 750$ is a good price and they will get whatever pent up demand is present.

Problem is, once AMD gives a good price, Nvidia will lower price and then people will buy Nvidia only. AMD has to do something to change this, or Nvidia has to not care.
Else eventually only Nvidia will remain and AMD will exit given their diminishing market share. Or only focus on entry level where Nvidia doesnt seem to care.

To upgrade, i need something better maybe a 4090 equivalent, but that's not happening. I am too lazy to upgrade for a 50% bump, atleast not now.

5070 vs 9070 non xt is more clear cut i think because of vram and closing gap in RT/upscaling. So Nvidia will likely come back with 5070 18gb next year.
Hopefully Amd has a clean launch with good drivers and availability, that should help.

 

[Kaching999]

Say you have test 1 : 100 vs 80 and test 2 : 20 vs 40
So 1.25x faster in test 1 and 0.5x in test 2.

Simple average gives 120/2 vs 120/2. ie equal. But that's clearly not equal.

I get that but it seems like an oversimplification of the situation at hand where most of the results don't have that big of a disparity between then, even if you remove the games which are know to favour AMD or Nvidia, the 9070 still comes out on top, averages can be taken when talking about 10-15 different tests.

once AMD gives a good price, Nvidia will lower price and then people will buy Nvidia only. AMD has to do something to change this, or Nvidia has to not care.
Else eventually only Nvidia will remain and AMD will exit given their diminishing market share.

I agree and even if Nvidia lowers the price AMD have to be ready and do the same to be competitive. Some people saying that "it has to cost $550 to be compelling" is just a joke, AMD being an actual company has to look for profits too.

Nvidia's stock issues is not going away anytime soon seeing the ROPs situation and massive demand and also the $750 price tag is just a joke as no AIB is actually selling anything at that price, the actual pricing is more like $840 and I think there is going to be a similar case with AMD too, with most of the cards being at least $50 over MSRP but even then that would be 20-25% lower than the price offered by Nvidia. AMD will take advantage of the situation and most probably launch at either 600 or 650 and then bring the price down when Nvidia does so without hesitation.

5070 vs 9070 non xt is more clear cut i think because of vram and closing gap in RT/upscaling.

Yeah that one is mostly a no-brainer seeing that the 5070 is pretty much 5% faster than the 4070 super and almost the same in RT and the 9070 will have 4070 Ti super raster and 4070 super ray tracing performance along with 16gb of VRAM.

 

[Tracer_Bullet]

I get that but it seems like an oversimplification of the situation at hand where most of the results don't have that big of a disparity between then, even if you remove the games which are know to favour AMD or Nvidia, the 9070 still comes out on top, averages can be taken when talking about 10-15 different tests.

Its wrong, but anyway we will get better numbers next week. Its close anyway.

Nvidia's stock issues is not going away anytime soon seeing the ROPs situation and massive demand and also the $750 price tag is just a joke as no AIB is actually selling anything at that price, the actual pricing is more like $840 and I think there is going to be a similar case with AMD too, with most of the cards being at least $50 over MSRP but even then that would be 20-25% lower than the price offered by Nvidia. AMD will take advantage of the situation and most probably launch at either 600 or 650 and then bring the price down when Nvidia does so without hesitation.

yeah all these issues and high prices will tempt AMD to launch at higher prices.
And both of these companies would be more interested in selling for AI rather than gamers, so i am not expecting too much from AMD.

Compare last few gens vs 3080/6800xt launch in price/perf improvements. Will pale, but atleast 9070xt looks good now.

 

[Kaching999]

Its visible in RT results

sorry that was a misunderstanding on my part I thought you were referring to both raster and rt, I agree that the 4080 is faster in rt by about 18% for heavy rt workloads but I think there will be less of a different about 12% at 1440p which is imo the sweet spot, even when compared to 5070Ti in RT the 5070Ti is only faster by about 10% even in the heavy RT loads but those are pretty much unplayable frame rates.

In short the RT performance of the 9070XT will be the same as the 4070Ti super.