Apple announces lossless Apple Music is coming in June at no added cost
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Audirvana used to be just a PCM/ DSD player years ago for Mac ( the core player). Now they have incorporated all the newer things (podcasts, streaming etc.)
There must have been some settings turned/off on accidentally.
It was a very transparent audio player. The dashboard gives you not only the computer settings but also every stage through which the signal is passed in a very transparent manner.
I've not tried it M1 machines, but it was a fantastic audio player even in 2019 ( never updated anything in my iMac for 2/3 years now and not sure if the changed anything in the newer versions) Tidal sounds perfectly fine with it!!
Did you go through all the settings throughly? Was it somehow upsampling 24/48 files to 24/96 or higher?
There must have been some settings turned/off on accidentally.
It was a very transparent audio player. The dashboard gives you not only the computer settings but also every stage through which the signal is passed in a very transparent manner.
I've not tried it M1 machines, but it was a fantastic audio player even in 2019 ( never updated anything in my iMac for 2/3 years now and not sure if the changed anything in the newer versions) Tidal sounds perfectly fine with it!!
Did you go through all the settings throughly? Was it somehow upsampling 24/48 files to 24/96 or higher?
can you name a few. i am really trying to understand how they use bandwidth and their caching strategy.
Tidal can be used with KEF stream app to KEF LSX. Now even Tidal connect should work directly.
Naim MuSo also should work. Some Sonos..
I don't know anything about about bandwidth or cache strategy or other technical stuff, but they sound considerably better than Spotify in the same wifi network.
Tidal connect 100 perfectly works with LSX ( have that in our kitchen) Oh yea!! Even the useless Dali system also works with Tidal connect (but it makes the whole house rattle..)
Wow!! So many!! But those are not all wireless.
Sorry for the typos...I'm in a moving bus.
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superczar
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Spotify is easily the fastest of the lot on both android and iOS - saying this just to establish a baseline for comparison.
Apple music is pretty snappy too though not as quick as Spotify.
- not sure if you are using it on Android though.
AFAIK, the AM app on android is not very good - so bad on Apple for that
I used to use Tidal in three ways for lossless streaming
Wireless:
Tidal on Denon HEOS app-> X3600 as pre-amp -> Marantz PM17 as PA -> Focal Aria 926 speakers
Tidal on DTS Play-fi in Hi Res mode-> Paradigm PW Link as pre-amp -> Crown XLS2502 as PA -> KEF Q350 speakers
Wired:
Tidal app on apple TV -> Marantz SR6010 via HDMI 2.1 -> KEF iQ5 speakers
While the SQ was noticeably better than Spotify / AM , it was far from convenient to use
I am hoping that the AM upgrade solves for that gap - need to spend time over the weekend to sort it out
PS: Note the use of the word noticeably instead of considerably
It did sound better - if you paid attention
Considerably better OTOH= perceptibly better even if it is background playback while you go about your daily business
So no wireless headphones?
^^ Nah...tried many...given up.
Yes, noticeable is the word!! But these systems ( Sonos, KEF, Dali etc.) are nowhere close to real monitors despite the hype and pricings.
After using Barefoot and S2V ( no!! I didn't buy the second one, but heard it many times) nothing really blows me away. Haven't heard the Genelec "The One" though.
Yes, noticeable is the word!! But these systems ( Sonos, KEF, Dali etc.) are nowhere close to real monitors despite the hype and pricings.
After using Barefoot and S2V ( no!! I didn't buy the second one, but heard it many times) nothing really blows me away. Haven't heard the Genelec "The One" though.
Ya it's Android, I wanted to try out lossless so got apple music trial but it's so slow. Then used VPN and got tidal trial for 2$. As long as they don't increase price and keep it at 99rs for lossless I can forget the slow interface.
With this lossless thing Apple did one good thing.
99 percent people didn't care/ know about lossless music. They were perfectly fine with crappy Bluetooth headphones.
Now everyone is interested!!
Funny thing, the same people who got offended after being told airpod Max sounds nothing special are now after wired headphones, dongles etc.
Ab to samajh me aya achhi audio kya hota hai? Aur Apple se kuch log kiun pareshan ho gaya hai?
99 percent people didn't care/ know about lossless music. They were perfectly fine with crappy Bluetooth headphones.
Now everyone is interested!!
Funny thing, the same people who got offended after being told airpod Max sounds nothing special are now after wired headphones, dongles etc.
Ab to samajh me aya achhi audio kya hota hai? Aur Apple se kuch log kiun pareshan ho gaya hai?
What about Apples logic lol, they removed the headphone jack to push their overpriced wireless headphones/earphones and now want to give lossless to the same people who don't have any gear to utilize it. Had they instead given better dacs like LG did, that would've pushed to do some changes from them and other companies to give some good headphones/earphones instead other companies wanted to cash in on this wireless trend. I'm not hating wireless or even apple for that matter, I feel headphone jacks were pulled too soon before wireless audio can mature and turn equal to wired.
He still thinks for creativity Apple is better, but for consumers a bad purchase.
They wanted to outdo Spotify which they did by launching Hi-Fi full 6 months ahead of them and that to for free, hadn't Spotify announced H-Fi tier..
My wife uses iphone ( just ip12 not pro and received the update about a week ago ( we are not in India and she doesn't care about high res audio)
Haven't upgraded the XR I have ( will do today)
However tried it in her phone with a Q3 ( guess it maxes out at 32/768...sort of overkill as 24/48 is more than enough, any higher just increases the noise floor...seen it MANY times while working when client wanted higher)
Some songs from Steely Dan, Genesis sounds wonderful. Beatles earlier works sound like rubbish ( despite claims about how great they sound...the panning of the vocals..simply outrageous)
But most importantly Tidal is no worse than Apple ( in fact some music sounds better) Works with lot of old hardware with zero fuss.
Apple has not started upsampling older masters...that's the real challenge. I'm not interested in spatial audio at all.
AFAIK I'm aware of only two Softwares champion in upsampling ( Sequoia and Pyramix) both ( at least Sequoia) works in Windows only. Would love to know what will Apple use for upsampling ( I have full faith in Apple when it comes to their Mac OS software, if they release it even as a very expensive Logic plug in, will get back to them in heartbeat and happily live with dongle hell)
Haven't upgraded the XR I have ( will do today)
However tried it in her phone with a Q3 ( guess it maxes out at 32/768...sort of overkill as 24/48 is more than enough, any higher just increases the noise floor...seen it MANY times while working when client wanted higher)
Some songs from Steely Dan, Genesis sounds wonderful. Beatles earlier works sound like rubbish ( despite claims about how great they sound...the panning of the vocals..simply outrageous)
But most importantly Tidal is no worse than Apple ( in fact some music sounds better) Works with lot of old hardware with zero fuss.
Apple has not started upsampling older masters...that's the real challenge. I'm not interested in spatial audio at all.
AFAIK I'm aware of only two Softwares champion in upsampling ( Sequoia and Pyramix) both ( at least Sequoia) works in Windows only. Would love to know what will Apple use for upsampling ( I have full faith in Apple when it comes to their Mac OS software, if they release it even as a very expensive Logic plug in, will get back to them in heartbeat and happily live with dongle hell)
My guess is that they need more time to work on label contracts. India had certain labels which are mainly only for the Hindi catalog. Thats the same reason why it took time for spotify to increase their Hindi song catalog.
Why should the topic be deleted? The topic is about a news announcement, not about the review of a product. As far as I remember, Apple didn't give any solid launch date for India and I am not sure what your definition of hype is.Hahaha is this sarcasm? Dude, then this topic should be deleted from Indian forum like TE as Apple has just hyped the product and it is still unavailable in India, so none of the Indian users have tried it
Every person will have an opinion. You cannot just cherry-pick 1 or 2 that suits your purpose and post it here.For trying out apple music, yes i tried it and dumped it because of the pathetic app on android. I have again taken a subscription to compare its hifi with tidal but alas, apple is just hype, they havent even been able to provide the service in india yet and have put out marketing articles in indian newspapers. Still as I highlighted earlier too, you can go to the below thread to see how the quality of apple lossless music sucks.
Apple music to launch lossless streaming
Yesterday, I spent some time testing their Hi-Res titles against Tidal/Qobuz over headphone, well, I found most of their Hi-Res titles (the track Fearless was as good as its Tidal/Qobuz counterpart though) were Hollow compared to Tidal/Qobuz. The tracks like 'Blinding Lights' / 'Don't Start Now'...www.hifivision.com
Apple music to launch lossless streaming
Yesterday, I spent some time testing their Hi-Res titles against Tidal/Qobuz over headphone, well, I found most of their Hi-Res titles (the track Fearless was as good as its Tidal/Qobuz counterpart though) were Hollow compared to Tidal/Qobuz. The tracks like 'Blinding Lights' / 'Don't Start Now'...
Instead of throwing random numbers, how would it be if you can actually point to the link where I can get it for ₹88? I visited the official Tidal website, neither India is listed as a supported country and nor the ₹88 price is mentioned anywhere.
I didn't knew that VPN is used for signing up for apps. All apps I use can be signed up without VPN.
Read the statement again. I was referring to a proprietary technology which is only available in a few headsets. Stop generalising and dragging Sony as a whole company.
Android is not a single company for god's sake. Understand the difference between a single company and an OS used by multiple companies. Both are different things that cannot be compared.
Your post history also contains threatening physical violence to another forum member who disagreed with you. I am not even going to touch your post history.
The Apple music app on Android is clunky. I don't know why them even bothered to release a half-baked app on Android when they clearly don't care about android users. Hope they fix this given more people are going to use this now.
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Nah!! Most people who care about high quality music already have their high res stuff offline.
For music discovery you don't need high res. As mainstream music doesn't sound different between lossless and lossy ( as most are using max 24 bit samples anyways and everything sounds same...Oaksound Smoothie is their latest darling and it's obvious in Pop charts)
People who genuinely are passionate about music don't care much about Apple music/ Tidal...or any streaming service for the matter.
This lossless craze will die down in few months ( most people don't use good enough headphones and simply don't care) and people will go back to their crappy wireless headphones for convenience.
BTW, what's so wrong with threat of physical attack? It's so much better than abusing family members. I have lot more respect for people who attacks physically...man to man ( definitely not for something as stupid as Apple vs Windows/ Android) compared to people who dig out 10 year old pictures of your partner in some beach and post them online.
If somebody has any problem with my POV in something and needs to settle the score (where logical arguments failed from either or both end) physical confrontation is the most decent way to do it. Being in shape is lot more important than appearing smartass behind the keyboards. Sure, I won't attack someone if from other sex, lot smaller (most people are fortunately) than me or carrying weapons.
This is the major problem of gym going generation, they will threat you with their bulging muscles but can't even last 10 seconds in a choakhold..can't even take one blow in their bulging chests. People in 20s can't defend against a 40 plus old man, even in arm wrestling!! Lock in for 30 seconds, they will just give up..Come on man!! You MUST be strong enough to protect your families.
For music discovery you don't need high res. As mainstream music doesn't sound different between lossless and lossy ( as most are using max 24 bit samples anyways and everything sounds same...Oaksound Smoothie is their latest darling and it's obvious in Pop charts)
People who genuinely are passionate about music don't care much about Apple music/ Tidal...or any streaming service for the matter.
This lossless craze will die down in few months ( most people don't use good enough headphones and simply don't care) and people will go back to their crappy wireless headphones for convenience.
BTW, what's so wrong with threat of physical attack? It's so much better than abusing family members. I have lot more respect for people who attacks physically...man to man ( definitely not for something as stupid as Apple vs Windows/ Android) compared to people who dig out 10 year old pictures of your partner in some beach and post them online.
If somebody has any problem with my POV in something and needs to settle the score (where logical arguments failed from either or both end) physical confrontation is the most decent way to do it. Being in shape is lot more important than appearing smartass behind the keyboards. Sure, I won't attack someone if from other sex, lot smaller (most people are fortunately) than me or carrying weapons.
This is the major problem of gym going generation, they will threat you with their bulging muscles but can't even last 10 seconds in a choakhold..can't even take one blow in their bulging chests. People in 20s can't defend against a 40 plus old man, even in arm wrestling!! Lock in for 30 seconds, they will just give up..Come on man!! You MUST be strong enough to protect your families.
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dissel
Herald
I strongly believe this is only for Indian Pricing for Apple Music - If not then, there is no competition for India for Lossless...So why bother.
alekhkhanna
Herald
Good honest stuff.