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I would love to do the same i.e., install Linux on my vivobook 14X oled. Can you tell me what flavor of linux are you using and how did you optimize the power draw? Are there any bugs that I should be aware of upon switching to linux?
Do you have discrete graphics? If yes, how well is optimus working?
Thanks.
I run Windows as the primary OS on my Vivobook 15 OLED but have Linux installed as a secondary OS. I tried various distros but settled on Linux Mint as the Ubuntu base works better for me in terms of support.

I don't use it off the plug that often but I use TLP which works well. Optimus works fine with the proprietary Nvidia drivers. However, the one bundled with Linux Mint didn't work so well for me but the official one works fine.

However, you will have to forego things like the fingerprint sensor as well as the OLED burn-in protections since Asus doesn't provide official Linux drivers.
 
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I would love to do the same i.e., install Linux on my vivobook 14X oled. Can you tell me what flavor of linux are you using and how did you optimize the power draw? Are there any bugs that I should be aware of upon switching to linux?
Do you have discrete graphics? If yes, how well is optimus working?
Thanks.
What @t3chg33k said above. I just run bog standard ubuntu 24.04, fp doesn't work which is a bummer (I use it to unlock pc/bitwarden on windows). Make sure to use integer display scaling (200% or 2x in my case). You can probably further optimize it for battery, maybe using a lightweight DE/base system, ripping out snaps, aggressive power profile, 60hz instead of 90, but what I have is a decent balance of functionality and looks.
 
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I do find macos asinine
Out of curiosity, why ?

Of the three main OSes I have been using (for a very long time ) I find :

- Mac OS the easiest / most reliable/ most consistent for desktop usage .
Open lid/ do work/ shut the lid sort of thing ....with zero fuss and issues.
Restarts needed maybe once in 3-4 months or after a major update (which you get to choose when to and if to install :joycat:.)
The underpinnings / structures/commands are anyway very similar to linux ...so for even a somewhat experienced linux user, it should be very easy to get used to very quickly

- Linux the most reliable for Server usage . It will keep working in the background for years without a fuss. As a desktop though, it can be fussy and requires some degree of upkeep. You do get several side benefits though even in desktop usage

- Windows as the most inconsistent and least reliable by a wide margin - This was a narrow margin or equal to begin with say in 2010 but progressively worsening to its current unbearable state. Highly unreliable standby/ wakeup-resume can take anywhere between a few seconds to several before (hopefully) settling to stable.. And a force restart needed every now & then.


Battery life on linux is easily 2x of windows
I recently flipped my Legion Go from its native windows to Bazzite Linux.
As a portable gaming machine, the primary usage naturally revolves around native windows games.
Now here is the kicker .. games perform as well , often better while running in emulated mode on Linux as against running natively on the OS they were originally compiled for.

Most importantly, I can leave the games in standby for hours or days and resume them immediately (super crucial on a portable gaming device) .. Something that is simply unimaginable on windows
Next time, i might go for steam deck 2 or similar + linux instead of laptop.
Get a steam deck 2 .. or ally/ Legion go if you want more grunt.. they all now have at least a couple of purpose built Linux distros available for them
 
I run Windows as the primary OS on my Vivobook 15 OLED but have Linux installed as a secondary OS. I tried various distros but settled on Linux Mint as the Ubuntu base works better for me in terms of support.

I don't use it off the plug that often but I use TLP which works well. Optimus works fine with the proprietary Nvidia drivers. However, the one bundled with Linux Mint didn't work so well for me but the official one works fine.

However, you will have to forego things like the fingerprint sensor as well as the OLED burn-in protections since Asus doesn't provide official Linux drivers.
Thanks. What kind of battery life do you get with Windows and Linux?
 
You might even be able to build a full system at the same price point, probably for the first time ever.

This was poorly worded.

What I meant by this is that previously, it wasn't difficult to build a full system that matched the mini's single threaded performance at the same price as the mini.

But now that's not as easy, since the base mini is a lot more powerful.

If you factor in 25k for processor, that leaves 30k for motherboard, ram, ssd, cooler, power supply and case. Not impossible, but a little tight.

This only applies if you're looking for the best single-threaded performance like I am, since the workloads I have are not very optimized for multiple cores.
 
I think they are forced for 16gb because of Apple Intelligence. I am glad that on device LLM is pushing every company to bundle higher RAM.

Things are only going to get better with entry of Nvidia + Mediatek PC SOC and Qualcomm Elite X 2. Even Intel and AMD might be pushed to cut prices in the coming days. We went from an era of no competition to mid competition to extreme competition.
I'm waiting for the Nvidia+ Mediatek , hopefully in CES 2025 announcement.. otherwise, i will save and simple get the Mac mini.. it's not brainer.. what a complete package for 60k , the only apple device that's VFM and on its own class
This was poorly worded.

What I meant by this is that previously, it wasn't difficult to build a full system that matched the mini's single threaded performance at the same price as the mini.

But now that's not as easy, since the base mini is a lot more powerful.

If you factor in 25k for processor, that leaves 30k for motherboard, ram, ssd, cooler, power supply and case. Not impossible, but a little tight.

This only applies if you're looking for the best single-threaded performance like I am, since the workloads I have are not very optimized for multiple cores.
Still nothing will beat the efficiency + compactness. It's cutting edge.
 
I'm waiting for the Nvidia+ Mediatek , hopefully in CES 2025 announcement.. otherwise, i will save and simple get the Mac mini.. it's not brainer.. what a complete package for 60k , the only apple device that's VFM and on its own class
Nice plan! I hope we see solid performance from upcoming launches (timeline unknown)

1) Mediatek - Chromebooks. Edit: Already out. https://chromeunboxed.com/mediateks-new-mt8196-chromebook-soc-gets-benchmarked-and-its-fast/
2) Nvidia + Mediatek - Windows laptops
3) Qualcomm Elite X2 - Windows laptops
4) Google Tensor - Beefed up version for Chromebooks probably.
5) Microsoft Custom Silicon - Surface books.

Anyways you will get the M4 mini cheaper than 60k due to hdfc card or edu discounts.
 
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Nice plan! I hope we see solid performance from upcoming launches (timeline unknown)

1) Mediatek - Chromebooks
2) Nvidia + Mediatek - Windows laptops 3) Qualcomm Elite X2 - Windows laptops
4) Google Tensor - Beefed up version for Chromebooks probably.
5) Microsoft Custom Silicon - Surface books.

Anyways you will get the M4 mini cheaper than 60k due to hdfc card or edu discounts.
Edu discounts can be availed with education emails like aakash neet (microsoft) accounts? and some high school id's?
And can these be used together with hdfc cards?
 
If you factor in 25k for processor, that leaves 30k for motherboard, ram, ssd, cooler, power supply and case. Not impossible, but a little tight.

This only applies if you're looking for the best single-threaded performance like I am, since the workloads I have are not very optimized for multiple cores.
Just curious, tried to search but did not find anything.

1) Is there anywhere some third party has independently verified this across large no of tests? No one buys desktop cpus based on geekbench scores. At the least try to check whether its faster for *your* use case if possible. My guess is that its very unlikely that a power limited arm processor will beat x86 with much higher power limits for complex long running workloads. It might be more power efficient, so good use case for laptops perhaps but not much for desktop usage other than personal preferences.

2) 7600 was available for less than or around 15k i think in diwali sale and it pretty good for that price. Advantage with pc is that i dont have to be restricted with 256gb or some other arbitrary limit that Apple decides for me. And upgrade costs seem quite extortionate. I bought 2tb + 2tb SSDs for roughly 20k and ram costs roughly 10k per 32gb DDR5.
Very roughly -
7600 - 15k-20k
Motherboard - 15k
case - 5k
ram - 5k ( 16gb )
ssd - 5k 1TB
Cooler - Not needed as such can use oob one or say 2k
power supply - 5k

So Its still cheaper and with more disk space and much more flexibility. But its not tiny and will use more power. If usage needs more ram, you can double it for 5k and still be around 60k.
And future upgrades you can reuse case/ssd/powersupply atleast perhaps even ram and cooler. Plus we can choose to spend more on whatever component we want without spending more elsewhere.
And this is vs most value tier. With higher, value gaps will probably increase looking at RAM upgrade costs that someone posted earlier.

Anyway ..

So does all the OLED tech which has worse life/dollar than all apple devices. Only hypocrites will take sides & rely on "Selective Criticism",same story with Console peasants.
Absolutely love Oleds and HDR. Image quality difference is HUUGE. HDR is so good man. I am now playing with HDR in all games with reshade shaders.
I would rather buy an OLED than a 4090/5090 anyday. Anyway, out of topic.
 
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So pay about 1.5L for 32gb ram 512gb storage and base chip with very limited ports,

OR get a Mac Studio M1 MAX 32gb ram 512gb storage.
Dual encoders/decoders,
Much more graphics muscle (2-3x).
10gbit ethernet,
Works as good as m3 max in video editing apps thanks to dual encoders.
 
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No one buys desktop cpus based on geekbench scores.

It's actually Passmark scores, I never liked geekbench.

Is there anywhere some third party has independently verified this ?

They're my workloads. Since I'm needed at home (both parents are above 80 and distrustful), I do various freelance stuff, so my "work" varies quite a bit. One of the two CPU-intensive tasks is batch processing/optimizing images for blogs, and the other is keeping a few thousand bots online.

Image processing produces JPGs with Google's Guetzli encoder, WEBPs, and AVIFs. A single image would need 10 variants across those three file types in x1, x2 and x3 resolutions. This takes a lot of time on my M1 mini and a 5900X was slower per image but only marginally faster overall. See the CPU usage here on the M1, since you're familiar with Linux you might understand the numbers better than I do: https://techenclave.com/attachments/screen-shot-2024-10-11-at-3-45-24-am-png.210862/

Sample HTML for those blogs:

HTML:
<a href="https://webhostdotcom-01.jpeg">
<picture>
<source srcset="https://webhostdotcom-01.avif 1x, https://webhostdotcom-01-x2.avif 2x, https://webhostdotcom-01-x3.avif 3x" type="image/avif">
<source srcset="https://webhostdotcom-01.webp 1x, https://webhostdotcom-01-x2.webp 2x, https://webhostdotcom-01-x3.webp 3x" type="image/webp">
<img src="https://webhostdotcom-01.jpg" alt="01" width="770" height="513" loading="eager" srcset="https://webhostdotcom-01-x2.jpg 2x, https://webhostdotcom-01-x3.jpg 3x">
</picture>
</a>

I try and keep the Google PageSpeed Insights Performance score above 90 so these variants are one of the ways I maintain that with an image-heavy page. For comparison, a similar page on Techspot scores around 60. I developed this mindset when I was young and impressionable and spent an unnatural amount of time on alistapart.com

The virtualization workloads are all on separate machines, so I don't pay much attention to them but the bots that are on Ryzen 1000 and 2000 systems are far less responsive than the ones on Ryzen 5000 systems, even with they all having 128GB of memory and KC3000 SSDs. They're web-scraping bots, and the market has been decimated with the IT downturn this year so I'm not even close to considering upgrading them. Those systems are barely making $100 in profit after electricity and internet costs — in total. It used to be $500 this time last year.

But I would like faster processing for the image stuff, and I really want at least a 25% improvement for an upgrade to be worth it but the M4 is about 20% and so is the 9600X. The 7600X wouldn't even be 12%. Hard to justify 50k for a compute box when it's only 12% faster than what I already have.

So Its still cheaper and with more disk space and much more flexibility.

This is true, and I'm more inclined to a 9950X compute box with the cheapest possible motherboard/ram/ssd and a gold-rated power supply since these are just intermittent workloads.

The M4 mini that I wish I could buy comes up to 240K: 10G networking, 14-core processor and 64GB of memory. But that's not going to happen. Unless a client decides to pay me with Apple Gift Cards (if you're a freelancer only accept gift cards at half value).

And upgrade costs seem quite extortionate. I bought 2tb + 2tb SSDs for roughly 20k

When I got my M1 mini a year after launch, I built a 10G TrueNAS machine with 3x 1TB NVME drives for half the price that Apple wanted for a 2TB upgrade. I understand most of the cost goes to the manufacturing overhead of low-volume SKUs, recouping R&D investments and there's the improved security factor but I don't need the security and offsetting Apple's R&D/manufacturing costs is not part of my personal life goals.
 
Pricing is great (50k with Educational discounts and 56k with credit card discounts non-educational purchases).
Used M1/M2 prices will now plummet.
Usually I abhor apple but kudos.. This is going to be the goto mini pc now... Especially as you said used ones will be much cheaper now... Plus surprised that apple made it base 16gb ram but again kudos
 
It's actually Passmark scores, I never liked geekbench.



They're my workloads. Since I'm needed at home (both parents are above 80 and distrustful), I do various freelance stuff, so my "work" varies quite a bit. One of the two CPU-intensive tasks is batch processing/optimizing images for blogs, and the other is keeping a few thousand bots online.

....

ok, someone like you can then definitely figure out if this or that is worth it for your use case.
For most, imo, it wont be worth it other than 'i want' - which is fine too i guess if you understand it.

But for professional tested workloads, things change. Surprising that this can match 9600x assuming at a fraction of power usage. Maybe it has some dedicated hardware for your task that 9600x lacks.

(if you're a freelancer only accept gift cards at half value).
Did some freelancing for few months, used to be in IT. All of that is long behind me now, i do trading for a living.
 
Just for awareness, hdfc doesn't have their tie-up with apple anymore, it's Amex, Axis and ICICI now.
The real Pain!
amex don't have, Axis don't want and ICICI didn't get :/
ICICI is literally asking 1 Lac or 5 lac for opening account. FTW :/
 
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Advantage with pc is that i dont have to be restricted with 256gb or some other arbitrary limit that Apple decides for me.
laptops, yes.. but you arent restricted by that on a desktop.

I use my MBPs docked when using as desktop.. The dock also has a TB enclosure attached with a 4TB SSD. Speed are pretty much the same as native since its anyway a PCIe bus.
Before you ask , the enclosure added an extra 7k which is ok considering the rest of the system was relatively speaking VFM.

Now you guys have been talking about professional heavy desktop intensive loads - my usage is much simpler
Excel sheets , outlook , browsers .. and a mix of general home computing (e.g. personal photo processing from RAW to jpeg etc) either on a laptop.. or the same laptop docked to a single cable desktop setup with a bigger monitor/KB/mouse/ethernet/ HDD etc

Now I recently received a XPS with a Core Ultra 7 165h.. Thankfully I wasn't the one who paid for it
I have an existing old M1 Pro and a relatively newer M3 Pro laptop - both of which were reasonably cheaper than the said Dell.
Yet somehow, even the old M1 pro is way zippier / faster than this dell at every single task. I won't even get into comparisons with the M3 pro

And the performance delta gets even more stark when unplugged. The Dell is not even anywhere in the ballpark once the dc infusion is removed.
And I am not talking benchmarks or tests - just regular day to day usage is starkly /very noticeably superior on the cheaper machines.

The OLED on the xps is about the only thing that is comparable - with the MLEDs on the MBPs yielding better HDR highlights / much higher peaks but losing out to the dell on some stray blooming in certain scenes

So while I will admit that I have not looked at desktop component pricing in some time - yet forgive me for jumping to the unresearched conclusion that this 50/60K mini desktop would fare way better than a comparable x64 desktop for general purpose usage - which is what this is meant for anyway
 
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