BEST F1 Game Ever Formula 1 fans Rejoice F1 2010 is here
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techno_funky
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Just got into playing this game since a few days, like others my fingers started aching with the keyboard so had to go buy a XBOX 360 controller. Loving the game, although I come 24th all the time lol!! 
saumilsingh
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I have a Logitech MOMO in excellent condition. Let me know if you want to buy it, I will let it go for cheap.sunny27 said:
No shipping headache either since we are in the same city.
Most sims including GTR 2 use 'scripted' physicstifosi said:
. They basically keep reading data from a spreadsheet about how the car should react under any given circumstance.Only LFS and iRacing perform all physics calculations in real-time.
The driving is sucky. I got bored after a few races, the cars have too much grip in the fast corners and understeer too much on the way out of slow ones, even at super-low grip settings. TC is ridiculous, it needs to be always set at medium or the car spins out of slow corners and then it sucks power on fast exits.
Then penalties, you rub wheels and get slapped with a warning. You go off-line and try to get back on the racing line and get slapped with 'illegal blocking'. Ridiculous.
Not a sim at all, seeing that everyone on the Codies forum is actually beating real laptime records which should be impossible to do if it was realistic. Personally, even the much-ridiculed NFS shift has more realistic handling model even though you clock 6:xx laps on Nurburgring when the lap record is above 7:xx.
For GP games, my favorite is still GP4, always feels like a real car and one that is tough to master. You shouldn't be able to put a Lotus on pole in two races, that's just plain wrong.
Then penalties, you rub wheels and get slapped with a warning. You go off-line and try to get back on the racing line and get slapped with 'illegal blocking'. Ridiculous.
Not a sim at all, seeing that everyone on the Codies forum is actually beating real laptime records which should be impossible to do if it was realistic. Personally, even the much-ridiculed NFS shift has more realistic handling model even though you clock 6:xx laps on Nurburgring when the lap record is above 7:xx.
For GP games, my favorite is still GP4, always feels like a real car and one that is tough to master. You shouldn't be able to put a Lotus on pole in two races, that's just plain wrong.
saumilsingh said:I have a Logitech MOMO in excellent condition. Let me know if you want to buy it, I will let it go for cheap.
No shipping headache either since we are in the same city.
Most sims including GTR 2 use 'scripted' physics
Only LFS and iRacing perform all physics calculations in real-time.
Yes I know
I had subscribed to iRacing for some time. All I was saying was this game shouldn't be confused with a sim.Here's Hamilton trying to overtake climbing on the wall :lol:
saumilsingh
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I am not defending this game as I know it wasn't meant to be a hardcore sim in the first place but you just described what an F1 car drives likecranky said:
.As for the faster than real life laptimes, it's a very common phenomena and is a result of unlimited practice time, no random elements and ZERO fear of serious injury to yourself or the car. Even a difference of 5 seconds is nothing alarming.
It's even more pronounced at the Nordschleife because it's a very long track that no one knows their way around a 100% perfectly. You can only remember some of the corners in a 'rhythmic' sort of way. Trying to completely memorize it corner by corner is impossible.
And yeah, GP4 rocks
.Saumil my point was that F1 cars have incredible amounts of mechanical grip, but are also flighty and need wings to hold them down at speed. The game is the exact opposite of this, there's not enough mechanical grip even after softening the car up - specially on exit from slow corners, and the cars simply stick to the road around fast bends even when the wings are dialled completely flat (they should be understeering like crazy over 130R, Pouhon and Parabolica - you get the idea). So you have to brake much later than normal around the quick bits and much earlier around the slow ones. Obviously you're gonna be quicker than real laptimes.
Actually the 2010 cars have even less aero grip due to the small rear wing, but somehow the game makes it very newbish. The cars should be flying around Monaco at high grip settings, but it just feels crazy because you constantly outbrake yourself, even when you actually don't sure it can be mastered, but I'm not prepared to change my driving style to master a game that gets it totally wrong. Grid was a arcade-style fun game, this one feels wonky.
This modelling was spot-on with GP4 if you played it in full simulation mode (incredibly hard, I must add) even if the graphics were sucky. If memory serves me right, even the old EA F1 2000 got this correct. Both these games were supremely difficult but were at least real. If I came 20th, I knew it was because I sucked. Here, I start winning races in a sucky car one race after career start (if the AI does pit which it doesn't always).
It also spoiled my rythm in the better games which I now have to re-learn. Feathering the throttle is what you *have* to do to get a clean exit from slow corners. btw Nordschleife is awesome - can't claim to be an expert, but I have three clean runs (no damage, 100% corners, lap record) to my credit on different sittings at the game. I just love the track, except when there are other people on it And it *is* possible to know the track well. I may have done over 200 laps and I basically know when I'm doing something wrong. I guess once you cross 1000 laps you get to master it totally (know of Sabine Schmidt? ).
Actually the 2010 cars have even less aero grip due to the small rear wing, but somehow the game makes it very newbish. The cars should be flying around Monaco at high grip settings, but it just feels crazy because you constantly outbrake yourself, even when you actually don't
sure it can be mastered, but I'm not prepared to change my driving style to master a game that gets it totally wrong. Grid was a arcade-style fun game, this one feels wonky.This modelling was spot-on with GP4 if you played it in full simulation mode (incredibly hard, I must add) even if the graphics were sucky. If memory serves me right, even the old EA F1 2000 got this correct. Both these games were supremely difficult but were at least real. If I came 20th, I knew it was because I sucked. Here, I start winning races in a sucky car one race after career start (if the AI does pit which it doesn't always).
It also spoiled my rythm in the better games which I now have to re-learn. Feathering the throttle is what you *have* to do to get a clean exit from slow corners. btw Nordschleife is awesome - can't claim to be an expert, but I have three clean runs (no damage, 100% corners, lap record) to my credit on different sittings at the game. I just love the track, except when there are other people on it
And it *is* possible to know the track well. I may have done over 200 laps and I basically know when I'm doing something wrong. I guess once you cross 1000 laps you get to master it totally (know of Sabine Schmidt? ).saumilsingh
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1000 laps is the norm for absolutely mastering a normal 4-5km. circuit (or coming pretty close to it).
The ring would require much much more; I am guessing around 2500-3000 laps.
I thought the aerodynamic grip levels were pretty accurate. Even the FIA GT cars in GTR 2 don't understeer too much in the long fast corners of Monza and Spa even at very low wing settings. And F1 cars are supposed to be even better.
It's the mechanical grip levels that I think are exhagerrated. It's near impossible to spin the car out when exitting slow corners even when playing with a keyboard and no TC.
The ring would require much much more; I am guessing around 2500-3000 laps
.I thought the aerodynamic grip levels were pretty accurate. Even the FIA GT cars in GTR 2 don't understeer too much in the long fast corners of Monza and Spa even at very low wing settings. And F1 cars are supposed to be even better.
It's the mechanical grip levels that I think are exhagerrated. It's near impossible to spin the car out when exitting slow corners even when playing with a keyboard and no TC.
If you're saying 1000 laps in a sim, then that's definitely not a norm
A professional racing driver will take 25-30 laps to master a *real* track(along with sometime at a simulator). So if you've been playing sims for sometime, and the sim is a decent sim, and also considering that not all physical elements are simulated in a sim, you aren't a professional racing driver(-), you should be able to achieve consistency in 25-30 laps, and 20-35 laps more depending on your definition of mastery This is assuming you have a decently setup car and not doing the setting up in parallel to your learning.
Anyway, this is completely OT.
A professional racing driver will take 25-30 laps to master a *real* track(along with sometime at a simulator). So if you've been playing sims for sometime, and the sim is a decent sim, and also considering that not all physical elements are simulated in a sim, you aren't a professional racing driver(-), you should be able to achieve consistency in 25-30 laps, and 20-35 laps more depending on your definition of mastery
This is assuming you have a decently setup car and not doing the setting up in parallel to your learning.Anyway, this is completely OT.
saumilsingh
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20 laps is what it takes to learn the layout of the track. I am talking about absolutely nailing the damn thing. Knowing where each and every bump is, where not to put your front wheels, knowing the braking markers in accordance with the treeline, knowing where it is actually faster to go wide rather than sticking to traditional lines, etc.
Real life drivers don't have the liberties sim drivers do. They can't do 1000 laps in a real car at any track at any given time according to their whims. But if they could, I wouldn't be surprised if their laptimes dropped by atleast 0.300 seconds.
Real life drivers don't have the liberties sim drivers do. They can't do 1000 laps in a real car at any track at any given time according to their whims. But if they could, I wouldn't be surprised if their laptimes dropped by atleast 0.300 seconds.
hey simmer's, post some lap times, host some f1 action, do something, its kinda getting boring in single player mode
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swordfish123
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Got the xbox 360 controller today. It so much better than playing with the keyboard. My lap times have also considerably reduced.
techno_funky
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swordfish123 said:
Seems M$ is gonna sell a lot of these controllers thanks to F1 2010