Congress seems to have a big lead!!

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blr_p said:
Yes, its more democratic not to have nepotism but until the electorate thinks otherwise, the brand is electable and is what counts in the end.

However an oligarchy by definition isn't electable and cannot be changed, they just are by defintion.
Mere technicalities. End result is the same.

blr_p said:
What are you saying here ?
That mandate is as fickle as the majority itself. Have you read Julius Caesar?

blr_p said:
Brand again + formula.
But a crappy product nonetheless.

blr_p said:
Surprised to read this as i thought he would be history. Any BJP leader would be surely ?

..or they make exceptions for pragmatic reasons.
If I said Modi, you would jump guns. And since I'm not a BJP spokesperson, spare me the question please.
 
Congress won... deal with it :P.....

Has anyone seen the party office of a losing party after election results... Its like a deserted building... and a full celebration at the winning party office.... :D

Still remember the Congress office scene near my house when it won in Assam defeating AGP in 2001....
 
Yamaraj said:
Mere technicalities. End result is the same.

But isn't the argument you are making invalidated now is my point. If the ppl did not care about it does it mean the ppl are wrong or your dynasty-is-bad assertion ?
Yamaraj said:
That mandate is as fickle as the majority itself. Have you read Julius Caesar?

As it should be, only if they deliver should they be safe. Which is any event is for a cpl of years till the next local elections.
Yamaraj said:
If I said Modi, you would jump guns. And since I'm not a BJP spokesperson, spare me the question please.
Are you saying Modi does not conform to the sangh's wishes ?

Modi is the only hope you have left for a generation, but to do that will require him to redefine himself.

He will have to change his former stances which will be a fundamental change to what he has believed in so far. That is apart from his development record which i think even his enemies envy.

Pulling it off in Gujarat does not necesarily mean accomplishing the same elsewhere. Each state is unique with its own challenges and i'm quoting a BJP spokesman on this from a progam i watched earlier.

Still he has to somehow convince the nation that he can do it.
 
blr_p said:
Are you saying Modi does not conform to the sangh's wishes ?

Modi is the only hope you have left for a generation, but to do that will require him to redefine himself.

He will have to change his former stances which will be a fundamental change to what he has believed in so far. That is apart from his development record which i think even his enemies envy.

Pulling it off in Gujarat does not necesarily mean accomplishing the same elsewhere. Each state is unique with its own challenges and i'm quoting a BJP spokesman on this from a progam i watched earlier.

Still he has to somehow convince the nation that he can do it.

After 3 days he will b the future pm in making frm BJP...whtever past u have...if u have strong impact in your profile u r strong.......

Advani always looked to b a child always crying for the PM post......and if he didnt got one he tool the powerfull home portfolio.....anyways he is past now........Only Pramod mahajan would had made the BJP victorious this time....BJP missed him badly.......Though i m not a huge supporter of BJP....but liked this men Pramod Mahajan he was gr8 orator..and single handedly accepted the defeat of last election
i just hope good ppl come in cabinet now..since no more black mailing ull see now......And hope to see that mulayam behind bars......and shahsi tharor to b foreign minister.....pranab defence......and chidu though lost ull see him coming frm rajya sabha to b a cabinet minister.......he too does handle well his dept..i recently read an article......for some ulfa attack during a meeting he asked for some ppl which even the IAS were unaware to be...and later came to know they were the local ppl who were eye witness.....showing how shamefully the govt oficer acts..they themselves doesnt work and chidu does the homework
 
Yamaraj said:
If people of this nation have no qualms against being ruled over by a family of democratic monarchs, well, they do deserve it then.
Shouldn't that be 'about'? genuinely confused. :ashamed:
Yamaraj said:
I am an atheist, so don't expect me to back their "hindutva" and other religious agendas.
"I am an atheist, i go around in forums as Yamaraj." :rofl:
Sorry, just clicked while i read that line and couldn't help laughing over it and mentioning it here.
Once again, sorry. :P
MAGNeT said:
Only Pramod mahajan would had made the BJP victorious this time....BJP missed him badly.......Though i m not a huge supporter of BJP....but liked this men Pramod Mahajan he was gr8 orator..and single handedly accepted the defeat of last election
Your knowledge is profound.
 
Guyz its sad that BJP lost :( but this time regional parties lost too which I fell is better for the untiy of the country. Also I have a resson to celebrated coz Laloo ji got wiped out from bihar he is resposible for single handedly destroying a state. As a result of his castist nature many high caste families including mine had to flee the state. He completely divided bihar on caste lines :(
 
blr_p said:
But isn't the argument you are making invalidated now is my point. If the ppl did not care about it does it mean the ppl are wrong or your dynasty-is-bad assertion ?
Both.

blr_p said:
As it should be, only if they deliver should they be safe. Which is any event is for a cpl of years till the next local elections.
The endless process of elections in this country far outweighs any tangible benefits it brings forth.

blr_p said:
Are you saying Modi does not conform to the sangh's wishes ?

Modi is the only hope you have left for a generation, but to do that will require him to redefine himself.

He will have to change his former stances which will be a fundamental change to what he has believed in so far. That is apart from his development record which i think even his enemies envy.

Pulling it off in Gujarat does not necesarily mean accomplishing the same elsewhere. Each state is unique with its own challenges and i'm quoting a BJP spokesman on this from a progam i watched earlier.

Still he has to somehow convince the nation that he can do it.
Modi has experience running a state, unlike Rahul and his sister.

Mind if I get some sleep? Just logged in to check my inbox. We'll talk tomorrow.

BIKeINSTEIN said:
Shouldn't that be 'about'? genuinely confused. :ashamed:
"qualms against" - Google Search

It was a semantic mistake that never was. :batman:

BIKeINSTEIN said:
"I am an atheist, i go around in forums as Yamaraj." :rofl:
Sorry, just clicked while i read that line and couldn't help laughing over it and mentioning it here.
Once again, sorry. :P
Who said irony was dead? Appreciate the sense of humor. :bleh:
 
I dont know why everyone gets really mad about the fact that gandhi family gets the leading posts in the country..

Its not like they are behaving like monarchs who go around telling everyone to come lick their feet..

And who said monarchy is bad...

We have a really good example at our doorstep, Bhutan, They liked their monarch because inherently he was a good person..

and dont make me read out the list of great and just monarchs in the past..

Saladin, Hammurabi, Ashoka........When you assume that people are inherently bad, you get queasy about one

person getting all the power... and its not such a case in India.. Do you think if someday Sonia releases a decree that she needs a person to be sacrificed everyday, people will take it????

In a democracy the only thing that the top echelons really change is the general policies.

in that matter i like the congress ideology because its has always been the big farce called "'Aam Aadmi'".At least they keep it constant, nothing like the finicky communal lines of BJP.

They say that they will make the country on Hindutva lines and still say they are secular.. They should get a unified and strong Ideology, and not try to put their legs on all the boats at the same time..

The people who really work in any sort of government are the ones who tirelessly formulate deals and work behind the scenes.. ie the private secretaries and other people associated with the portfolio..

The railway ministry inspite of having someone as dumb as laloo at the helm,did one of the greatest turnarounds in Industrial World history..

It happened coz of the strong team of professionals that backed him in the department...

It even helped to have Laloo there.. he never interfered in any workings and let the professionals do the job...

I think that letting dumb guys take the helm helps....

Let all the dumb gandhis come and take the posts.. let them cruise around.. as long as they appoint a really good team of ministry workers(as good as the railways team) and keep their noses out of the business i really dont care one way or the other.. BJP or Congress..
 
Came across a very nice article, to be published in Today's Indian Express, by Tavleen Singh, a noted journalist with rightist view who incidentally has no love lost for Congress

Before writing one word of this piece I spent many moments staring at my computer’s smugly blank screen wondering why the results of this Lok Sabha election make me feel so relieved. I am not a supporter of the Congress Party. I blame it for India being a country in which forty-five per cent of children are malnourished. I blame this party for our broken-down infrastructure, our decaying cities and the appalling state of public education and healthcare. I blame this party because it has ruled India for more years than any other. And, because it has got away with its terrible failures by hiding behind the Dynasty. We love our royal family as can be seen from the intense emotions aroused by Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi in hardboiled TV anchors. If they had been less emotional at least one of them should have asked why India was in such bad shape if Dadi, Daddy and Mummy cared so much for ‘the poor’.

So why am I happy that the Congress Party is back in Delhi in the strongest position it has been in since Rajiv Gandhi lost the election in 1989? Well, for one reason because I loathe regional parties. The thought of a prime minister of India who would ban computers and English schools (except for his own children) is beyond horrific. Provincial politicians have their uses but they belong in the provinces. For another because I loathe Marxists of every hue. I am delighted that they have been given this huge drubbing in West Bengal and may they never again have the hold over a government of India that they had over the last one. With their hypocrisies and their treacheries they belong in history’s dustbin and it is great that they have been put back in there by the voters of Bengal and Kerala. They were personally responsible for stopping the last government from continuing the process of reforming our economy and the best thing Dr. Manmohan Singh did was to put his foot down when they opposed the nuclear deal. If they had their way India would be reduced to being a servant of China as we once were of the Soviet Union.

With Pakistan imploding, Afghanistan in turmoil, Bangladesh on the jihadi path and Sri Lanka in a state of civil war the last thing we need in Delhi is a government in the clutches of Marxists or regional satraps. Just that this is not going to happen is cause enough for relief but there are other reasons why I think the results of this election are good for India. I believe that the Bharatiya Janata Party has long needed a solid kick in the butt. Hopefully this one will be solid enough for its leaders to realise that Hindutva is a boring, burned out idea that died the day the Babri Masjid came down.

To respond to every major national issue by waving saffron flags and setting off on some yatra is pathetic. Not once in this long and dreary election campaign did we hear BJP leaders give us alternative solutions to the big problems that confront us. National security was their pet issue but all they could offer was POTA (Prevention of Terrorism Act), an ineffective law that was mostly misused to target Muslims. On poverty alleviation, on education, on healthcare on solving our grim problems of urbanisation we heard nothing from any BJP leader that could be described as a new idea. On foreign policy and on the economy we heard nothing either. If proof were needed that it is time for the aged leaders of the BJP and the RSS to retire, it is the results of this election. Only when there are new, young leaders in charge will there be any chance of the BJP developing into a modern political party that will hopefully be able to challenge the Congress Party in 2014.


So here we are. We now have a government in Delhi that has as full a majority as we have seen in twenty years. It has no excuse now not to deliver. There can be no more vague talk about ‘development’ and ‘the poor’. India is out of time. Let the new government begin by promising that no Indian child will be malnourished by the year 2014. A goal that must and can be achieved. Let it promise real schools and health centres in our villages and cities that do not look like slums. Let it promise real police reforms and a total restructuring of our intelligence services so that no Indian city can be held to ransom as Mumbai was. Let it promise real administrative reforms without which none of the above is possible. This is only a short list of a long agenda.

Great! Now get to work
 
spindoctor said:
modi also has experience in genocide, unlike anyone else in india. is that a plus point too?

haha

very well said!!

No...that way congress qualifies better...lots of experience since 1984. And they have done it all over the country, not limited to one state. Congress FTW!!!
 
^very well written article.

The results are just perfect.Hope BJP leaves their hindutava and 'Indian culture' agendas and stop supporting regional hindu outfits(shiv sena, ram sena,et al).Heck they aren't even consistent on this, sometimes they are secular, sometimes they are pro-hindus and what not.Take a stand and stick to it.Advaniji need to be shown the doors forcefully if he doesn't retire himself.DO IT.Bring forth young leaders, I think Rahul Gandhi had a rather huge impact on the outcome of the elections.Happy to see so many young leaders coming forth, who understand today's problems.

A strong opposition is more important than the government, someone said, and though being a pro-congress(not exactly, I just hate BJP and its high leaders) I would love to see a stronger BJP to keep the ruling govt. in check.Monopolies always suck, invariably.
 
modi gave speech in 20 seats..only 1 went to bjp....pan india rejected him.....right now...and chidu won..earlier it was told he lost but some re election result wasnt counted......
 
I was rooting for the BJP candidate here and the Congress at the centre. A contradiction but the BJP candidate had a far better record in his last term (Kiren Rijuju was voted one of the top performing MPs in the national media). He lost though amidst huge speculation of large scale manipulation of the electoral process by the ruling Govt. here (Cong).

One of the head aches of our political system. Vote for the person disregarding party and you might be pushing the country to instability :( !

Glad that the behenjis are out of the equation for now though. One of the reasons I'm glad Advani is out is the ads they used in the print media. A Home Minister who's not sure about Jinnah's secularism and one who was left out of the loop regarding the kandahar episode by his own Govt./ party (his disclaimer, everybody else says he was in the loop) advertising himself as a strong leader :rofl: ! A person who doesn't have the guts to stand up to his misdeeds/ deeds is not even ashamed to advertise the contrary! "We don't talk, we take action" :rofl: !

Btw, the Congress did stand up for the nuclear agreement inspite of being a coalition and risked the govt. So pls don't make excuses about the handicaps BJP faced :cool2: !

In the end, what counts is the people behind the party, be it BJP or Congress. I give two hoots about dynasty, italian or hindu lineage when it comes to running India. If Rahul proves himself to be a good leader, I'm all for him as I would be for Modi as long he does the development part leaving out the hate mongering.

@yamaraj, whatever be your political leanings, your shameless siggy of a swastika is pathetic. Please don't identify your strength and conviction with the ideology of the Nazis.
 
damn....totally devastated..never in my dreams i thought bjp wud do this bad in this elections..atleast my home state of Karnataka is a Saffron bastion now...19/28 good going...and few of the losses extremely close...and BJP wins Mangalore ...wow....woww...woww after all the shite all over the "liberal" media....5 more years of "all options r option" talk when facing "bhai-bhai" neighbors..here we come...wudnt b surprised if skies n neibhoristan were lit up by the celebrationary gun shots in the air...

and yes Varun Gandhi....let me not go there....lol..
 
Varun Gandhi may have won his seat but thanks to his glorious speeches BJP lost a lot of ground in UP..... I mean a lot

Congress should thank him for that... :rofl:
 
Gogoi, we know you are a congress worker now stop posting "OMFG Congrezz rulz" if you dont have anything else worthwhile to post man. Contribute to the discussion rather than just being like "OMFG Congress won, OMG OMG".lol.

^^ And BJP gained a seat in UP compared to last time :P, it was the SP and BSP which lost ground :lol:.
 
@ronnie...and you believe that media BS....media was hell bent on making sure that bjp was not stuck with a single important issue...and BJP fell victim to that bait..
 
@Joel Toms

The railway ministry inspite of having some as dumb as laloo at the helm,did one of the greatest turnarounds in Industrial World history..

It happened coz of the strong team of professionals that backed him in the department...

It even helped to have a shithole like Laloo there.. he never interfered in any workings and let the professionals do the job...

I think that letting dumb guys take the helm helps....

Let all the dumb gandhis come and take the posts.. let them cruise around.. as long as they appoint a really good team of ministry workers(as good as the railways team) and keep their noses out of the business i really dont care one way or the other.. BJP or Congress..

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Agreed completely.

India would have been in a much better place had they let the professionals do their job.
 
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