Congress seems to have a big lead!!

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Yamaraj said:
The endless process of elections in this country far outweighs any tangible benefits it brings forth.

Can you clearly, expand on this ?

Naga said:
One of the head aches of our political system. Vote for the person disregarding party and you might be pushing the country to instability :( !

You mean it causes the rise of regional parties that then weaken the stability of the central govt ?
 
cricfan said:
and yes Varun Gandhi....let me not go there....lol..

ronnie_gogs said:
Varun Gandhi may have won his seat but thanks to his glorious speeches BJP lost a lot of ground in UP..... I mean a lot

when a candidate for parliament talks of harming part of the population, and then then his party backs him up, you really have to wonder what their priorities are. this result has shown just how many people care for the hindutva bullshit now.
 
I think one of the main reasons BJP lost out so badly is the crap they were spewing about in the form of advertisements via SMS and what not.
 
OK- me apolitical- genuinely. :)
But here is something that cropped up in my mind last night.
Whenever i discussed the elections and the parties in the fray with a pro-BJP good friend, i would try to debate trying to understand what all the crap meant and to gain more insight.
But would get attacked as if i was defending Congress with my counter queries/suppositions/statements.. :P
Thought it would be hilarious enough to pull his leg and called him up late into the night to pester him. :P

Please read into this as a joke only. :P

What did the people of India tell Advaniji when he asked them to vote for him as the next PM of the nation?

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"Talk to the hand!!" :bye2:

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hahahahaha bikey ...good one there , and yea a person talking about politics with a swastika siggy .. another irony there
 
spindoctor said:
when a candidate for parliament talks of harming part of the population, and then then his party backs him up, you really have to wonder what their priorities are. this result has shown just how many people care for the hindutva bullshit now.

spindoctor....that name is apt....and re: that chop hands speech..did he mention any community's name then....or was he talking abt "anti-hindu communities"...

PS:...look at the use of quotes before putting a new spin on the topic...
 
cricfan said:
did he mention any community's name then....or was he talking abt "anti-hindu communities"...

PS:...look at the use of quotes before putting a new spin on the topic...

If you really don't know...

Unfortunately as well as sadly, he not only specifically mentioned the name of the community but also called them by a derogatory name starting with word 'K'. These were some comments full of vitriol, shamelessness, boorishness and hatred that had no justification. There he compared 'ALL' members of this community with terrorists and painted 'ALL' of them with the same brush.

The comments were so bad that even BJP veterans shirked away from them initially. Media edited the comments because they were so explosive and to this day most people only know that he said something about cutting the hands and not how he said it. but that is there in the CD that went to EC.
 
See what happened when the strong leader was home minister:

* Released terrorists during Kandhar. It was his first real test and he failed.

* Failed to control riots and massacre in Gujarat

* A number of terrorists attacks took place.

* POTA was misused.

1) BJP atleast captured terrorists. Cong. don't even capture them. The only time they captured them was when shivraj patil's ass was on fire.

2) Cong. failed to control 1984 riots. The RSS protected the sikhs.

Massacare what massacare don't uread the papers most of the witnesses have been found to be TUTORED. If it was not contained how did it stop then ? Some sadhu coming and giving peace preaching ?

FAILED to contain the attack on bodos by Bangladeshi immigrants.

3) WTF ? as far as I remember the BJP struck fear in the heart of terrorists.

They made PAK. pee in pants afta parliment attacks but with CONG. its the other way round. It was funny how CONG. was after Pragya Thakur w/o any proof when terrorists blasted bombs fearlessly and with joy all over India.

4) Cong. police was misused. POTA was not even used. Police protedted arses of their usless politicians when many people died in blasts.

Despite menance by illegal bangladeshi immigrants NO preventive measure was taken to control them.
 
cricfan said:
spindoctor....that name is apt....and re: that chop hands speech..did he mention any community's name then....or was he talking abt "anti-hindu communities"...

PS:...look at the use of quotes before putting a new spin on the topic...

Are you under the impression that Varun did NOT adversely affect the BJPs chances in UP then ?

However in bangalore none of the past incidents (mangalore pub, past riots, church attack etc) made any difference whatsoever. In fact shivajinagar, a predominantly muslim area in the city centre opted for the BJP, over their own muslim candidate from JD(S) and the congress !!

Similar stuff seen in all mumbai constituencies voting Congress inspite of 26/11, guess mr. raj is worth his weight in gold to congress now.

The ppl can be hard to decipher sometimes :(
 
morgoth...i remember seeing that speech on news channels months ago...i dont remember varun mentioning a particular community when he said the "famous" hands chop words.."jo hinduwon ka khilaaf bolega"..these were the words...looking at the nature of speech i understand media may have edited those words(well...may b that was made to suit their agenda)...that was not a politically correct speech and did sound like a hate speech....but twisting of statements by the pro-cong members is not a good thing..

anyway 5 more years....BJP shud strengthen its state politcs now...and i really hope sushma swaraj is the pm candidate next time....
 
She won in vidisha, ppl think she is good.

Maybe Modi is too risky outside Gujarat which is counter-intuitive as he has won three times in a row there. You would think if he could pull that off then nowhere else is impossible.

How about something more radical, instead of 'selecting' the leader, why not 'elect' from within party cadres instead, do it in public view. Would that make a difference :)
 
cricfan said:
morgoth...i remember seeing that speech on news channels months ago...i dont remember varun mentioning a particular community when he said the "famous" hands chop words.."jo hinduwon ka khilaaf bolega"..these were the words...looking at the nature of speech i understand media may have edited those words(well...may b that was made to suit their agenda)...that was not a politically correct speech and did sound like a hate speech....but twisting of statements by the pro-cong members is not a good thing..
anyway 5 more years....BJP shud strengthen its state politcs now...and i really hope sushma swaraj is the pm candidate next time....
Media edited the comments because they were too vitriolic to be aired... anyways, me too not a Cong supporter and I hate parties BSP and SP whose leaders shamelessly fill their own coffers at every given opportunity.

But I still prefer them over BJP and its group of like-minded parties because the people in these parties are fundamentally more dangerous than the corrupt ones in other group.

BJP is not the party of middle-class and it's not a party with a vision of stable and modern India. These people just know how to destroy the things. They don't know how to build a pub... they don't know how to build a culture. They just know how to destroy the pub, beat up people, rouse hatred. They just know how to exploit the era bygone and not how to build a new future and new culture.

Even worse is BJP leaders' flip-flop, the sly dealings in which they come across as power-hungry, saying one thing but in reality running after something that may not be fundamentally different from what religious fanatics across the world want.
 
morgoth said:
BJP is not the party of middle-class and it's not a party with a vision of stable and modern India. These people just know how to destroy the things. They don't know how to build a pub... they don't know how to build a culture. They just know how to destroy the pub, beat up people, rouse hatred. They just know how to exploit the era bygone and not how to build a new future and new culture.

In other words a serious IMAGE makeover is needed.

you pretty much summed up my sentiments about the 'current' BJP otherwise :)
 
cricfan said:
spindoctor....that name is apt....and re: that chop hands speech..did he mention any community's name then....or was he talking abt "anti-hindu communities"...

PS:...look at the use of quotes before putting a new spin on the topic...

oh you're right, i must be totally mistaken. he was talking about promoting peace and harmony in that speech wasn't he?

i suppose people like you are the reason he got elected to parliament.
 
morgoth said:
BJP is not the party of middle-class and it's not a party with a vision of stable and modern India. These people just know how to destroy the things. They don't know how to build a pub... they don't know how to build a culture. They just know how to destroy the pub, beat up people, rouse hatred. They just know how to exploit the era bygone and not how to build a new future and new culture.

Even worse is BJP leaders' flip-flop, the sly dealings in which they come across as power-hungry, saying one thing but in reality running after something that may not be fundamentally different from what religious fanatics across the world want.

I think the exact opposite of the BJP. BJP is the party of middle class and traders. but Middle class dont come out and vote. I didn't Kashmiri pandits who were ethnically cleansed in their own country was because of BJP.

which is better some lame ass pub getting into trouble or people being ethnically cleansed?

repeating congress talking points wont help for a constructive discussion now does it?
 
guru said:
which is better some lame ass pub getting into trouble or people being ethnically cleansed?

Humour me, but what exactly did BJP do as a Govt. regarding the so called anti-hindu communities and Pakistan? As far as I recall, the only thing they did officially was tone down their rhetoric against the minority communities and started having their thinking sessions(chintan bhaitaks or some) in air conditioned tents! In fact they also wasted crores of public funds with the mobilisation of the armed forces at the borders! And wasn't the terrorists responsible for most of the recent attacks released in Kandahar with full govt. honours?

Pls refresh and correct my memories.

Supporting a party and ideology is one thing. Making lame ass comments such as it's ok to bash up ppl at pubs just cos some injustice was done to ppl belonging to the same community (the ppl getting bashed up were also of the majority community) is gonna make you look lame assed.

A govt should be elected for development. Some BJP ruled states are doing good. Highlight that and shut us pseudo-secularists up. Don't spout half assed propaganda and rhetoric.
 
guru said:
I think the exact opposite of the BJP. BJP is the party of middle class and traders.

....except Diamond traders AND workers in Gujarat. I seriously doubt one can call BJP as a part of the middle class- your comment look more like an advertisement, but the voting is already finished so you seem to be late :bleh:
 
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