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The commentary is biased on star cricket. :@
by accident sometimes they switch their commentary of sky. Then you feel as if some altogether different match is going on.
We could hear sanjay manjrekar, mike holding, david gower on it.
I want to switch the commentary.
Can it be done if one is on DTH?
 
Whoever thought that inculding Gangully in the commentators team was a good idea? Sometimes, I wish I could just smash that little smug off his face. His superiority complex and the "know all" attitude gets really irritating at times. The commentary on Star Cricket is indeed biased, but its biased towards India. What do you expect when 6 out of 8 commentators in the panel hail from the sub continent. They have also been paid by espn star to take India's side as this commentary is only aired in India.

Also, did anyone happen to catch the little tiff between Ravi Shastri and Naseer Hussain? In my opinion Ravi overreacted and Naseer was absofcukinlutely correct when he said that after playing 96 test matches he has earned the right to voice his opinion. Ravi Shastri is going to look incredibly stupid when this test is over and England takes the no. 1 spot in the test rankings.



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Whoever thought that inculding Gangully in the commentators team was a good idea? Sometimes, I wish I could just smash that little smug off his face. His superiority complex and the "know all" attitude gets really irritating at times. The commentary on Star Cricket is indeed biased, but its biased towards India. What do you expect when 6 out of 8 commentators in the panel hail from the sub continent. They have also been paid by espn star to take India's side as this commentary is only aired in India.

Also, did anyone happen to catch the little tiff between Ravi Shastri and Naseer Hussain? In my opinion Ravi overreacted and Naseer was absofcukinlutely correct when he said that after playing 96 test matches he has earned the right to voice his opinion. Ravi Shastri is going to look incredibly stupid when this test is over and England takes the no. 1 spot in the test rankings.

 
Whoever thought that inculding Gangully in the commentators team was a good idea? Sometimes, I wish I could just smash that little smug off his face. His superiority complex and the "know all" attitude gets really irritating at times. The commentary on Star Cricket is indeed biased, but its biased towards India. What do you expect when 6 out of 8 commentators in the panel hail from the sub continent. They have also been paid by espn star to take India's side as this commentary is only aired in India.

Also, did anyone happen to catch the little tiff between Ravi Shastri and Naseer Hussain? In my opinion Ravi overreacted and Naseer was absofcukinlutely correct when he said that after playing 96 test matches he has earned the right to voice his opinion. Ravi Shastri is going to look incredibly stupid when this test is over and England takes the no. 1 spot in the test rankings.

 
Some people are of the view that Bell deliberately kept walking and acting as if it was Tea already, cuz he knew that he cudnt have reached back to his end howsoever hard he tried.
After watching replays, that actually might be true.
Vaughan , who simply cant shut up cuz he is now aloof, had this to say:
Former England captain Michael Vaughan believes Ian Bell knew he had "messed up" but gave the impression of not really knowing what all the fuss was about.
The incident happened on the third day of the on-going second Test when centurion Bell, after completing the third run off a shot by Eoin Morgan on the final ball before the tea break walked off the crease, assuming that the ball had crossed the boundary.

But Praveen Kumar made a diving effort at boundary and threw the ball at Abhinav Mukund who clipped the bails at the striker's end.

The Indians appealed and the batsman was given out after replays showed that the ball had not crossed the boundary.

But, in a magnanimous gesture, India skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni withdrew his appeal against Bell at the tea break, allowing him to bat again.

Vaughan said Bell was well aware of his folly but pretended that he didn't know what had happened.

"Bell was dozy and he knew it. He saw Praveen Kumar's reaction on the boundary and thought it had gone for four. He even appeared to give the indication that it had gone for four to Eoin Morgan.

"But crucially the umpire had said nothing. He did not call four and he did not call tea. When the bails were taken off and Bell turned round to see what was happening he knew he had made a mistake," Vaughan wrote in the 'Daily Telegraph'.

"It was then that he actually played the situation very well. He knew he had messed up but outwardly gave a very cool impression of not really knowing what all the fuss was about," Vaughan said.

"The England players were telling him to come off the field quickly and he did his best to get back to the pavilion.

When he was given out Bell would have been blaming everyone but himself," he claimed.

Vaughan said the lifeline to Bell showed that the crowd's booing had unnerved the Indian camp.

"Everyone was a bit scrambled after tea. The day will always be remembered for the run out of Bell and it certainly ended up affecting India more than England. You could tell the booing by the crowd rattled them," he said.

"During a Test in India in 2002 I was given out handled the ball. I was equally dozy. But in those situations you put on an act. You try to cause a storm to divert attention.

"I went back into the dressing room in Bangalore and argued with everyone and said India were out of order appealing for that," he added.

He continued: "After an hour of stewing I knew I had been completely dumb and dozy. But I think Bell acted quite well. If there had been a thousand people in the ground and this a less important game he would have been given out and not reinstated. But because of this series the Indians realised it would have been a mistake not to reinstate him."

Vaughan said though Dhoni's decision was in the spirit of the game, but had he been in the Indian's place, it would have been a firm no to the rival camp.

"Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower must have gone to Dhoni and asked if he was willing to overturn the decision. I would have said 'no, he is out'. But once you gauge the reaction of the crowd and everything starts to sink in, things change," he said.

"Dhoni would not have wanted to be tarnished as being the kind of captain who does not play cricket in the spirit of the game. That is the one thing no player wants on his record. It was the right decision but Bell was in the wrong," he added.

Vaughan joked that the reprieve for Bell was another indication of England's dominance in the four-match series which the hosts lead 1-0.

"The way they bullied India was reminiscent of the great Australian team of the past. They bossed them on the field and even managed to convince India that Ian Bell should be given another chance, a brilliant performance in every respect," he said.

Vaughan said while England seem to be on a high, India look a jaded unit.

"They are a team with only two or three guys in form. In England, I see a team with eight or nine playing well. India look tired of playing cricket and England full of zest," he said.
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And Ganguly is uber stupid.
He actually said that Bell wasnt going for a run, the fourth one. How blind can one be..? The only other incident i can recall is that of Bucknor in Australia. But Googly seems to be hell bent on outdoing him.
 
I do not get Sky Sports at home so I was completely oblivious to what was happening from an "English" perspective but managed to catch some snippets yesterday.

Like I mentioned before, ESPN/STAR INDIA have Indians onboard and therefore have predominantly an Indian "perspective", and SKY Sports is sort of an English bastion.

And yeah you can clearly see Raina picking up the helmets and walking off when the bails were clipped off, so in all fairness both parties did not know what was going on, technically it was out, but India is not going to lose anything from it, except this test, series and No. 1 spot.

Shastri v Hussain bit -
I do agree with Nasser Hussain's comments that he has a right to express his opinion, but you cannot deny the fact that the press in UK have left no stones unturned to ridicule the Indian performance, and no I'm not talking about just this series, I'm talking about the buildup to it. Pick up any daily from the UK and you'll understand what I'm trying to say. Shastri's reaction is justified and laud him for actually having the balls to say it out loud.

There is so much crap going on with the DRS, Michael Holding akcnowledges the fact that he does not think that Hawkeye predicts the correct path, yet ICC should make everybody accept and BCCI should not have the right to chose it. I don't think so.
There is no point having a half assed technology tried at the highest level. D/L system in 92 proved to be a point of controversy.

India's No. 1 spot -
India's has very slowly progressed to become a good, fighting test side over the years. They have been competitive all around the world.
Yet to win a series in Australia and South Africa, but have won everywhere else. Of course, they are not playing a dominating game the way Australians did but I doubt any team in the next 5 years will be able to produce so many players of world Class quality at the same time who "perform" consistently.

There are some very valid points like the lack of intensity which every viewer must have felt while India was bowling. But I also think that English players are batting with a lot of confidence. My cricketing sensibilities kicked in '96, and this is by far the best performing English side I've seen till date.

People love an underdog, I always loved it when England would win an Ashes match. But now I seriously want India to whoop their asses. Of course, doing it in this series would be wishful thinking.

India have a lot to think about. 2 test matches 2 bowlers not being able to bowl which overworked the Seamers. This is just not done. Against the best team you need to field your best set of players, and when India look back, they'll rue the fact of not being able to get Sehwag, Gambhir, Khan and a Harbhajan w/ 100% fitness.

India have thrice lost the initiative in this test, ENG 124/8 went on to be 221, IND 267/4 then were 288 all out (albeit that was a good spell from Broad). Eng 322/6 and then scoring 544.

Overall, lacklustre performance from the Indians, let's hope that this will wake them up from their slumber.

Does England deserve to be at the top right now? Same questions will be asked when they tour subcontinent again.
And this will their first home series victory against India in 9 years and over 3 series. Some things to think about.

Edit: India 37/4, reminds me of the Durban match. Sheah!!
 
So the No.1 throne is gonna be snatched from India with england hours away from leading 2-0 (that's what they needed at start to see the No.1 postion in the rankings) ... India in tatters at 68/6 at tea :(

Dhoni out for DUCK at 1st delivery.
 
Breaking news: BCCI has appointed Harbhajan Singh as the batting coach for the Indian team with immediate effect.
 
Still no 100th ton for Sachin .. Again out against LBW to Jimmy Anderson for 56 :( Harbhajan's putting up a slight fancy resistance.
 
This series has again established importance of sehvag. His aggro at top and Laxman's rearguard have been two primary ingredients of India's recent success story in Tests.

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yay... our true talent has been displayed. We were R@p|-D left, right and center. Watch the british media for their jealousy comments
 
agantuk said:
Breaking news: BCCI has appointed Harbhajan Singh as the batting coach for the Indian team with immediate effect.
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Maybe he should bowl a bit first, ;p

I was watching the replays of wickets, "sharmnak". When was the last time an Indian hooked/pulled ?
 
Kevin Lane said:
This series has again established importance of sehvag. His aggro at top and Laxman's rearguard have been two primary ingredients of India's recent success story in Tests.
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Series has underlined how a bunch of superstars went ahead and grabbed the No 1 test ranking by playing test in the subcontinent series after series.
Didnt bothered with a single delivery of the Ind inns pt 2.
Dropped the idea of eating the head of Airtel dth ppl for not starting other channels as applied for earlier.
What a damp squib of a show by all these IPL players. Cant bowl, cant bat.. and cant survive few sessions now as well.
 
Spacescreamer said:
Series has underlined how a bunch of superstars went ahead and grabbed the No 1 test ranking by playing test in the subcontinent series after series.

Didnt bothered with a single delivery of the Ind inns pt 2.

Dropped the idea of eating the head of Airtel dth ppl for not starting other channels as applied for earlier.

What a damp squib of a show by all these IPL players. Cant bowl, cant bat.. and cant survive few sessions now as well.
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You're kidding right?

India has won against all overseas opponents barring SA and AUS.

It's true that they played badly in WI and getting hammered here, but still, England needs to do a lot more. They need to beat India and SL in the subcontinent. (I'm considering past 5 years records).

If you think that England have had an amazing record in the past 2-3 years here's something to think about -

Cricket Records | Records | England | Test matches | Series results | ESPN Cricinfo

Series results - 2007 onwards

India beat Eng both away and home in '07 and '09 (1-0)

Eng beat NZ both home and away 2-0 and 2-1.

SL (home) beat Eng 1-0

Beat WI home and away, 2-0 and 1-0 resp.

Beat Aus home and away 2-1 and 3-1 resp.

Beat Bangladesh home and away 2-0 both times.

Drew SA 1-1 away and lost 0-1 at home.

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sid_donnydarko said:
Cricket is overrated in our country ... :|
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Football in England, Basketball in the US, Rugby in Australia.

20-30 years ago Hockey was, now it's cricket, who's to say it won't be some other sport down the line.

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Ganguly, this IPL
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Yeah, I don't watch IPL. maybe 2-3 complete matches in 4 seasons, it's too much cricket. :)
 
quixand said:
India has won against all overseas opponents barring SA and AUS.
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Besides Eng, SA and Aus, which other side is worth beating .. esp on their turf ??

Rest teams either are from subcontinent or not worthy enough of a good match. And truth be told.. the way current lot has behaved, India is not in top 4 atm.

If this line up cannot get matches against SA and Aus, then i dont think we need to bother about future.

In the age of IPL and other tamasha leagues, i am dont see any technically solid batsman coming up.
 
Besides Eng, SA and Aus, which other side is worth beating .. esp on their turf ??
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Ummm, not really, you still should play all nations and beat them if they are that easy :)
I mean if Spain beat Germany they don't become the top team for the next 4 years, they still have to beat the rest of the top teams in friendlies etc, right?

Sri Lanka in SL are pretty damn hard to beat, it's not just ENG, AUS and SA playing cricket.

And this is the same side which played decently in SA against Steyn, Morkel and Tsotsobe. They played and missed a lot but they managed to put up a fight and atleast picked wickets.
Of course they are playing like shit right now, and the way Eng is demolishing India, it's not the end of the world, same Anderson will come to India and get thumped etc.

My point is England needs to play and beat SL, PAK, IND, something India has done (ENG, AUS, SL, PAK, WI, NZ) albeit major no. of times it was in India.

Totally agree about IPL I therefore don't watch it, Lalit Modi is NOT Kerry Packer or Murdoch and all IMO Bollywood and Cricket should not mix.

Our bowlers are not athletes, our batsmen are surprisingly tame against short pitched stuff. Either get out of the way or pull.

@spacescreamer - do check out the list of series Eng have won. Apart from AUS nothing to brag about. I am a bit surprised they even reached no. 2, SA must have had a better record than that, very curious.

Edit: I guess it is a reflection of who is playing the best cricket at the moment, once SA start playing again they'll climb back to the top, they have defeated teams in the subcontinent and can do it again.

As far as England are concerned, they obviously are playing fabulous cricket, but to hail them as the best would be incorrect, and too soon. It seems the festivities have begun already
 
This England cricket team is real funny you know. Thinnest guy is "Broad". Ugliest is "Swann". Worst fielder is "Trott" and things like that. :P

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