Females thumbs-up! But what about males?!

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Feminism is told be be beneficial to Govts. and politico-business nexus in some way, so they support it.
In some way? Explain that.

Granting equal rights to women isn't a nexus.

In west, this ideology is getting thrown into waste bin and as usual, we Indians are embracing it as newest jewel.

You are confusing misandry with feminism. How is this feminism being thrown away in the waste bin in the west? In fact, they are embracing it more after much resistance in the past decades, while male chauvinists in India are resisting it still to not give up their privileges over women.

There are fringe elements who will always misuse the aims of the movement to their personal advantage, but you can't malign the whole movement because of that.

Read up on Privilege Blindness and check how it clouds one's judgement.
 
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"There are fringe elements who will always misuse the aims of the movement to their personal advantage, but you can't malign the whole movement because of that."

That explains it, all together, for both genders.
Current day feminism is not about equality, it is about hegemonic superiority, and is some way akin to caste based reservations in India acutely gone bad, it breeds complacence to unexpected proportions.
 
That explains it, all together, for both genders.
Feminism is some way akin to caste based reservations in India gone bad acutely, it breeds complacence.
Easy to say when one gender sits on top and one caste holds much power.

There are social prejudices that you also need to look into. Privilege blindness makes one to look away from the problems of the other side, while also defending their own privileges.
 
No one prevented women from sitting on top, whatever happened is evolutionary route in which neither males nor females played a villian's role.
Again, privilege blindness.

You are playing a villain's role now, and so do a majority of men by not granting women equal rights.
 
No one was blocking women from performing better from prehistoric times.

See the link above, after enjoying all the privileges /facilities provided (by men?) in a first world country, what women there want is to sit at home baking cookies, being happy, but bills to be paid by men. That is not equality, that is exploiting men.

My point is, this was the stance by women from the beginning of evolution. Men cannot be blamed for this, in 21st century and falsely accused of being villains.
 
No one was blocking women from performing better from prehistoric times.
Wrong. There is bias against women in the work environment and the society as a whole. They are just expected to do certain things: weak, submissive, full of emotions, fearful; and if they don't want to, then that behaviour is shunned and even punished in many instances.

This bias also affects men, but they are expected to just be the opposite: strong, tough, courageous, dominating, emotionless, etc...

Listen to this TEDtalk on how even men suffer from strict roles adhered to them:

See the link above, after enjoying all the privileges /facilities provided (by men?) in a first world country, what women there want is to sit at home baking cookies, being happy, but bills to be paid by men. That is not equality, that is exploiting men.
Reading what you want to read. Did you even read what privilege blindness is about? Exploiting men? Then how are men happier there?

Those privileges are not provided my men btw, they are provided by the government to promote equality. And that is what they have exactly been able to achieve: an equal atmosphere where everyone is happy.

Let me quote from the article you posted:

Women aren’t alone in choosing to opt out of the full-time rat race. More men are working part-time than ever before, and society is beginning to reward fathers for pushing back against the system to make time for their families.
There is no exploitation. Even men are beginning to accept the roles reserved only for females. i.e. They are breaking away from the patriarchal mould.

"...What’s important is that women in the Netherlands are free to choose whatever they want to do."
This is what equality is about. Being able to choose what they want to do without social prejudices. If they want to be a leader, they can. If they want to climb the corporate ladder, they can. If they want to be at home, they can. The important thing is that they have the choice, unlike before.

My point is, this was the stance by women from the beginning of evolution. Men cannot be blamed for this, in 21st century and falsely accused of being villains.
Women didn't choose that. Earlier it was physical ability that dictated power and men being the stronger of the two genders, climbed up the power ladder. The same hierarchy doesn't hold true in today's age. But the privilege that men earned is still in effect to this day.[/quote][/quote]
 
"Reading what you want to read. Did you even read what privilege blindness is about? Exploiting men? Then how are men happier there?

Those privileges are not provided my men btw, they are provided by the government to promote equality. And that is what they have exactly been able to achieve: an equal atmosphere where everyone is happy."

If you say men are on top, privileges given to women are thereby obliged by men (Govt.). Men in general prefer equality in everything, not just when staying happy at home, but when working hard at workplace also. What happens otherwise is exploitation.

"...men being the stronger of the two genders, climbed up the power ladder. The same hierarchy doesn't hold true in today's age..."
The fact that men are more stronger and mentally capable is not their fault. It was the evolutionary route (which was equally available for women) in which men performed better, again.

Men not are born weak and dumb even now, in "today's" age. So, the hierarchy will still stay, no matter whatever foul games weaklings try to play up. It is only a matter of time that men will recognize this and stop supporting such foolish games. At least few places in west, men started shunning marriage or such contracts to avoid getting troubled later in life.
For eg., Manhattan: http://guestofaguest.com/new-york/nyc/every-woman-in-manhattan-is-single-and-its-their-fault

And who says men in Sweden are happy. Go, google.com, search: Sweden, Misandry and it is idiocy at the best.
I will not prefer to go to Sweden, you can go to this place if you prefer:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/welcome-to-sweden-where-man-beating-is-sport/

Yes, this is Sweden for you, ignore the lady police beating part, etc. it is legal there to let dogs snip you by police, that is the state of affairs where women rule !!!
 
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If you say men are on top, privileges given to women are thereby obliged by men (Govt.).
The government is not men. They are not deciding on equality on the basis of "hey, we're on top, lets give them some equality too". It is done according to the constitution.
Men in general prefer equality in everything, not just when staying happy at home, but when working hard at workplace also. What happens otherwise is exploitation.
Men in general prefer equality? Then there wouldn't be feminism to boot.

Also, is the usage of "working hard" somehow implying women don't?


The fact that men are more stronger and mentally capable is not their fault. It was the evolutionary route (which was equally available for women) in which men performed better, again.
Mentally capable?

On what basis did you say that? Cherry picking just one capability? Both have their own advantages.


Men not are born weak and dumb even now, in "today's" age. So, the hierarchy will still stay, no matter whatever foul games weaklings try to play up. It is only a matter of time that men will recognize this and stop supporting such foolish games. At least few places in west, men started shunning marriage or such contracts to avoid getting troubled later in life.
For eg., Manhattan: http://guestofaguest.com/new-york/nyc/every-woman-in-manhattan-is-single-and-its-their-fault
Yeah, because the worth of a woman is decided by whether men are ready to marry her.

And who says men in Sweden are happy. Go, google.com, search: Sweden, Misandry and it is idiocy at the best.
I will not prefer to go to Sweden, you can go to this place if you prefer:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/welcome-to-sweden-where-man-beating-is-sport/
Cops and other people in power always take advantage of the general populace. Why is she being singled out for being a "lady," while every other male cop abuse is never seen as "male," but rather just a cop?

The good thing about equality is that some women can hate men (misandry), just like some men hate women (misogyny). In a society where women are suppressed, this character isn't seen much at all, and only misogyny is largely present.

Yes, this is Sweden for you, ignore the lady police beating part, etc. it is legal there to let dogs snip you by police, that is the state of affairs where women rule !!!
So? The police is trigger happy, same in USA and many other places. How did you make the comparison of that with women ruling? There are many men ruling India too and there are still many idiotic laws around. So, is that because men are ruling? No.
 
So, your comments almost boils down to what I am thinking.

"The government is not men. They are not deciding on equality on the basis of "hey, we're on top, lets give them some equality too". It is done according to the constitution." - So, hope women never needed to worry about patriarchy, the constitution was working fine from the beginning and feminism is just hive mindedness ? Feminism is an ideology that explains away the moral failings of women as the fault of a patriarchal “system”, but holds men responsible for their actions. And most important, it is an ideology that shortchanges children by privileging the rights and importance to children of mothers over fathers.

"Also, is the usage of "working hard" somehow implying women don't?" - So, what you found out after reading article in the link and areas where women wants reservations, in general.

"Mentally capable? On what basis did you say that? Cherry picking just one capability? Both have their own advantages." - After reading the article, found why men generally excel in most topics. They are biologically better built for their role and in general used their inborn trait better than women and gets to be successful to be dominant in society.

"Yeah, because the worth of a woman is decided by whether men are ready to marry her." -
As a result of feminists’ promotion of career equity with men and unrestrained sexual experimentation over early and faithful commitment, women are having fewer children later, and many are having none. Consequently, birthrates are down in all western countries, in many below the replacement levels. Canada’s current fertility rate is 1.54 per woman, behind one-child China’s 1.7.
Sadly, many women realize they want to have children, but too late. They were not warned by their Women’s Studies teachers or by feminist commentators that fertility peaks by age 25, or that late pregnancies carry elevated risks, or that induced abortions pose a risk of pre-term delivery in future pregnancies.

All of these realities are directly traceable to feminist doctrine. Feminists’ original goal may not have been the intention to preside over the actual demographic decline of western civilization. Their goal was to empower women. But as the old saying goes, when you are up to your neck in alligators, it’s difficult to remember that your original intention was to drain the swamp.
You only need few quotes from Chanakya to guess why west want to export this social exploit on to youngistan India.
Guess what, for civilizations to sustain, both the genders need to do their biological roles, which is disrupted by these irresponsible movement.

"In a society where women are suppressed, this character isn't seen much at all, and only misogyny is largely present."
"The good thing about equality is that some women can hate men (misandry), just like some men hate women (misogyny). In a society where women are suppressed, this character isn't seen much at all, and only misogyny is largely present.",
- So, you can say that in a society powerful humans in general abuse power, irrespective of gender. Isn't things expected to be better when women are in control according to feminists, aren't all problems happening when men are in control ? How feminist Sweden ascribed to letting dogs snip humans ? Isn't that so Nazi ? Why in this 21st century feminist Sweden is in this level.
Otherwise, what is the point in all these women appeasement, creating more abuse and inbalance in society through legally abusive means (against only one gender - men) so that each appeasing political party can get gender based votes ?

The official state report in Denmark says that every woman born is a liability by 2,4m dkr (boys do the paying) Page 382 here: http://www.dreammodel.dk/pdf/R2004_01.pdf

I never wanted to be a white knight, my view in general matches points here: http://www.freewebs.com/feminism-evaluated/
 
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have no idea what you are stating , but just so you are putting links of websites on web to support claim

just want to say that you will find anything on line to support any claims , including the existence of jesus
 
Just wanted to share my thoughts and read your thoughts on what I haven been feeling sad about, being a male. Today I read honorable SC has ruled, acid throwers on girls will not get bail, state will compensate etc, sounds great at least someone is working BUT what about boys, are we not humans! What is a female/male throws acid on another male! no rule, no protection......! How can crime be gender biased! When a rule is being made, it has to be gender neutral, crime is to seen as crime, its intensity does not get reduced if the case is opposite. I agree females are on the receiving side most of the time and God has made them a weaker sex but we cant make wrong laws that will change the picture down the line. For eg. So much protection laws like antidowry, domestic violence acts etc has not made uncover so much false claims that even SC has advised caution! There are umpteen case where males are on the receiving end but no one takes a note and thats what worries me, we are setting a wrong trend, crime is a crime,no gender here. PS: I am not against females, its just that i am talking about the future we are trying to make. Your views please.
I agree.. :) ... But I m glad on SC's decision... Better luck next time...
 
Good rules like this come out. Women are suppressed in India and have to undergo far too much subjugation. They cannot even walk on the streets without be eve-teased / leeched at; or go to crowded places without being groped or felt up.[DOUBLEPOST=1374577230][/DOUBLEPOST]
have no idea what you are stating , but just so you are putting links of websites on web to support claim

just want to say that you will find anything on line to support any claims , including the existence of jesus


LOL...How else should he support his claim, Kippu. That is how forums work....! And healthy debates move forward. Can you recommend any other better way, apart from telling him to Shut up. ;)
 
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have no idea what you are stating , but just so you are putting links of websites on web to support claim

just want to say that you will find anything on line to support any claims , including the existence of jesus

If you found a link in internet giving statics from Official State report in Denmark, it is not similar to proving existence of Jesus.
If you found a real video which portrayed some real world happening, it is not similar to proving existence of Jesus.
If you found data from reputed sources in a link, it is not similar to proving existence of Jesus.

Man, if you don't want form an opinion, don't do it, no one forced you into it.

For me, justice is not one sided, I prefer to look both the sides.
 
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hehehe this is why i dont get into debates , one guy puts his point across , the other guy puts his across and you guys research more and more to convince yourself and the rest, that you are correct and , both end up having the same opinions that they started out with and all that was done was a whole lot of time got wasted
 
Pretty good discussion, but what I fail to understand is that how does making gender (caste/religion) specific laws help in encouraging equality among genders or for that matter castes or even religion.
 
Pretty good discussion, but what I fail to understand is that how does making gender (caste/religion) specific laws help in encouraging equality among genders or for that matter castes or even religion.
Social prejudice: gender prejudice, caste prejudice, religion prejudice, race prejudice, economic prejudice etc...

Those on top will keep their legs on the bottom dwellers and deny the opportunity to even climb back. And there are some who are with the privileges, but will just stay ignorant of the prejudice going around and will even partake in it subconsciously; later, they will come up with Just-World Theory fallacies to explain their position, which is just a cognitive-bias.

Most people think they are what today because of their hard work, but it is not so. There are many other factors at play. Of course, hard word also plays a role, but if not given the opportunity, then what good is that skill? It only comes into play later on.

Just take this discussion going on for example. For someone to be here: they should know English, they should have access to a computer and electricity, they should know how to use the computer, they should have access to Internet. This is a very simplified argument, but you know that not many have the same opportunities to grab as others. Usually, the most prestigious opportunities are reserved (yes, strange isn't it, to use it in its real sense) for the Elite class, but the rest are leftover for others. This is a constant cycle which breeds itself.

The laws are made so as to bring everyone on an equal social standing. That's the basic premise behind it.
 
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