Filthy India Photos, Chinese Netizen Reactions

[kippu]

i dont get it whats wrong with them dead bodies floating in th ganges , its a part of hinduism belief, isnt it , yes its polluting , yes it looks unsightly , but its a part of religion , it wont go away
what next ,if we wear tie and coats we are not civilized?

 

[Gannu]

^You do realise the so called civilized ones don't resort to such practices? How hard is it for the Govt. to put a ban to it. They call it India's National river and is supposedly the most polluted river on the planet! If they can't cremate the bodies or afford to do so, bury it damn it. Don't frigging dump it on the river.

Going by your logic, the Digambara Jains practised nakedness. So ideally every other Digambar Jain individual should go around naked on the streets? No offense meant to anyone.

Btw which part of 'civilized' means wearing a tie and coat?

 

[kuld33p]

i dont get it whats wrong with them dead bodies floating in th ganges , its a part of hinduism belief, isnt it , yes its polluting , yes it looks unsightly , but its a part of religion , it wont go away

what next ,if we wear tie and coats we are not civilized?

Tomorrow you'd say what is wrong with sacrificing animals and children for the sake of their beliefs. Grow up. People like you are sitting where they should not be and we are dealing with the consequences.

 

[m-jeri]

i dont get it whats wrong with them dead bodies floating in th ganges , its a part of hinduism belief, isnt it , yes its polluting , yes it looks unsightly , but its a part of religion , it wont go away

what next ,if we wear tie and coats we are not civilized?

Did u forget the sarcasm tags?

 

[Mephistopheles]

The amount of soulsearching going on here is amazing -- just because we do not conform to Chinese or other alien standards :huh:

It's not possible to make any value judgements here because religon is involved. That in itself is untouchable and immune to any fashions or fads of the day. It's tantamount to saying you can pray in this manner but not like that because another belief system says its not right. This is exactly what that Chinese author is claiming

Things have not changed because the majority does not believe it should and i'm not sure if i can fault them with that decison.

Its not about conforming to "Chinese standards", they themselves have places like this, maybe not as bizarre.

People take religion too seriously in this country, religions like ours have great philosophical value but one shouldn't let something like religion confine what, where, when and how we do things..the biggest problem India faces is its illiteracy, and eradicating that should be at the top of our priority list.

 

[Sei]

Scary pics. You know, everyone is aware of all this. But, it is easier to look the other way instead of doing something about this. I am as much as a culprit as most are. What is amazing is when people come forward and do something.. like this guy -

New Delhi: If you had not heard of Narayanan Krishnan, as I had not, it is a collective failure. This is one of the most incredible stories of personal commitment.

Narayanan Krishnan, all of 29 years old now, does what he was professionally trained to do as a chef. Feed people. Only Krishnan does not do this in the swanky confines of a 5-star hotel. Every day, he wakes up at 4 am, cooks a simple hot meal and then, along with his team, loads it in a van and travels about 200 km feeding the homeless in Madurai , Tamil Nadu.

Krishnan feeds, often with his hands, almost 400 destitute people every day. And for those who need it, he provides a free haircut too.

According to CNN, eight years ago, this award-winning chef with a five-star hotel chain was all set to go to Switzerland for a high-profile posting. On a visit to a Madurai temple, he came across a homeless, old man eating his own human waste. That stark sight changed Krishnan's life.

Much to the dismay of his parents, CNN says, Krishnan abandoned his career plans and decided to spend his life and his professional training in looking after those who could not care for themselves. He has provided more than 1.2 million hot meals through his nonprofit organization Akshaya Trust, and now hopes to extend this to shelter for the homeless too.

Krishnan is the only Indian in a list of 10 heroes that CNN has picked worldwide to honor. One of them will be chosen CNN Hero of the Year, selected by the public through an online poll. If many Indians get together to vote for this inspiring man, he can win by a long mile.

If Krishnan wins he will get $100,000 in addition to the $25,000 that he gets for being shortlisted for the Top 10. Akshaya Trust needs all the monetary support it can get to build on Krishnan's dream. Let's help him get there.

Vote for Krishnan here : CNN Heroes - Special Reports from CNN.com

If we keep blaming the governments, we will not achieve anything. The citizens have to step forward.

 

[Gannu]

^LOL another forward that came in the mail couple of days back.

 

[crossbow]

Thanks for providing the link sei.

Voted for Krishnan

and for some others too.

 

[blr_p]

Tomorrow you'd say what is wrong with sacrificing animals and children for the sake of their beliefs. Grow up. People like you are sitting where they should not be and we are dealing with the consequences.

This is a non-sequitur, it does not follow that if you permit these actions in the Ganges that tomorrow we will start sacrificing animals and children. That is not what is being implied at all.

He said the same thing i did earlier, which is, if this practice of dealing with the dead has been followed for generations then why should it be stopped now, why has it suddenly become wrong ?

The problem here is how do you show it is wrong, if ppl believe they can disperse the ashes of loved ones in the Ganges or even corpses. Tell me why is it bad to do this ?

Only reasons i got was it looks disgusting and gross, this is not sufficent grounds for me

Do those bodies remain there permanently and spoil the view for others, what ?

People take religion too seriously in this country, religions like ours have great philosophical value but one shouldn't let something like religion confine what, where, when and how we do things..the biggest problem India faces is its illiteracy, and eradicating that should be at the top of our priority list.

But will ppl stop performing religous practices because they have become literate or even educated ?

I think arguiing for more education is missing the point.

 

[kuld33p]

This is a non-sequitur, it does not follow that if you permit these actions in the Ganges that tomorrow we will start sacrificing animals and children. That is not what is being implied at all.

He said the same thing i did earlier, which is, if this practice of dealing with the dead has been followed for generations then why should it be stopped now, why has it suddenly become wrong ?

The problem here is how do you show it is wrong, if ppl believe they can disperse the ashes of loved ones in the Ganges or even corpses. Tell me why is it bad to do this ?

Only reasons i got was it looks disgusting and gross, this is not sufficent grounds for me

Do those bodies remain there permanently and spoil the view for others, what ?

But will ppl stop performing religous practices because they have become literate or even educated ?

I think arguiing for more education is missing the point.

Evolution is the word for you buddy.. Why don't you roam around naked and live in caves? You can't right, because you are civilized and educated. Similarly We need to evolve and come out of our old superstitions and beliefs. If we've been doing something does not mean it can't be done right. And now is the time that we leave these things because we have many other things to deal with. At least leave something for your children to be proud of when they grow old. Or you want them to look at Ganges and other rivers with feeling like they are sewage drainage.

I am an atheist and don't believe in all this. Neither I believe in any of the religion in this world. I believe in Science because I have had proper education. Now it does not mean I don't respect these things. I go to temple with my family. Masjid Gurudwara and Churchwith my friends. But just to have fun and accompany them.

All I want to say is that there is a better way of doing shitty thing in this world. Although it would still be shitty but at least don't let our country down in front of the world. You've heard the saying.. "Cut off your body part if it threatens your life in case it is required"

 

[blr_p]

Evolution is the word for you buddy..

hehe

Why don't you roam around naked and live in caves? You can't right, because you are civilized and educated.

No, i'll get locked up if i do unless i happen to be in a nudist colony

Similarly We need to evolve and come out of our old superstitions and beliefs. If we've been doing something does not mean it can't be done right.

So tell me why it should not be done, how many times do i have to ask this ?

And now is the time that we leave these things because we have many other things to deal with. At least leave something for your children to be proud of when they grow old. Or you want them to look at Ganges and other rivers with feeling like they are sewage drainage.

Ganges already is sewage drainage, untreated at that. There are factories in the leather business in Kanpur that dump chromium in it as well. If Ganges is considered a holy river than those two practices will need to be addressed first as they are far more serious than a few corpses that nature is well equipped to take care of.

I will say it again those photos are highlighting a very minute aspect of the river and you have taken that little bit and blown it up into something else

 

[blufox]

That is the biggest problem in our country.. no one is ready to admit that we are really f**kd up.. And there is no escape to it if we don't start doing things right. We need a dictator in this country.. Now dictator does not mean what you are thinking.. dictator in the sense where you are forced to do things right.. otherwise you get killed.. capital punishment is a solution to the problem that we are facing today..

get lawyers and courts established in India.. so much that it can handle any cases within 1 month.. and then give punishment to them.. and that too capital punishment.. hang the corrupts.. and tell all the Indians this is what is going to happen if they don't start acting right..

I am ready to live in a country where I pay the tax and get the benefit what I should get as a right.. not where I need to beg for my pension at my old age..

I am ready to pay the fine if I jumped a red light.. if the policemen stop harassing me.. If they stop taking undue advantage of their power..

We should start worshiping our work first and then think about these posters and religious places..

While writing this I recalled this funny but somehow true One liner I heard somewhere..

Why is America/UK successful whereas India is not.. because.. US/UK main log kaam ko dimag main aur ladki to L*** pe rakhte hain.. but in India log ladki ko dimag main aur kaam ko L*** pe rakhte hain

and same is the case with out government employees.. but just replace ladki with ethics and honesty.

Interesting thoughts there... lol.

Dude you need to get laid .

 

[kuld33p]

hehe

So tell me why it should not be done, how many times do i have to ask this ?

OK So you want the solution.. I know you can't do anything about it.. there are many and some are listed below:

lets first start off with a strict law of anyone found populating the rivers will be fined 10000 Rs..

Now should I also tell you what should be acceptable and what should be unacceptable i.e. what makes our rivers dirty what does not?

Second, involve and appreciate people like that Yoga Man.. I don't recall his name.. but this guy does not talk shit.. he talks meaningful. and ask these guys to support our government in spreading the word.. because these are the type of people created this mess in the first place.. so I think they would come to save us.

Third.. utilize the fuc**ing fund to clean the rivers.. don't bloody spend useless money on some meaningless CWG and Chadrayaan to feed up on our filthy politicians.

I have more.. but lets start with these first.. I write a book on these things.. but what's the point..

I wish I could show these pictures to our 70 year old young Prime Minister.. and ask him WTF is going on.. Have you ever seen a PM speaking while looking at the notes all the time.. No one noticed right..

I wish I could decide an upper age of being a Prime Minister.. It should be max 45 years.. like every work has a retirement age.. our constitution should have this thing.. anyone beyond 45 years of age should not be in politics.. They don't have the fuc**ng experience. Which they boast.. It all comes down to money. Why don't we simply give them the money and ask them to rest in peace.. create a new state all together in Himalayas and put all the old politicians there and rest them in peace there.. let them fight.. give them all the money they want.. don't let them even think about looking in other states..

That's it.. half the problem solved...

How does the plan sound..??

 

[SharekhaN]

I agree to what blr_p said to an extent and to what kuldeep "feels" similarly.

These traditions make us what we are, however weird for other people, it is us and what we have been defined by. As long as its not some gross human right issue for the living, it should be worked with and be handled as best as possible. Rather than a free for all, let there be government intervention on the cremations, be a proper disposal system where dead bodies are collected later be burnt in a mass furnace and ashes scatter back in the Ganges. This is where preserving what we are comes in.

and blr_p, there are a few traditions that need to evolve with time as they usually do. While most things end up changed sooner or later, it would depend what kind of catalyst do you become for the change. For eg: The sati system, child marriages, with time things have changes and they will continue to. You may argue these things may still happen in pockets, but thats exactly what, they happen in pockets and not as widespread as they were before.

Unfortunately, with a burgeoning population and an inept governance system, these changes I hope of will be too slow. That is something all have to realize and accept.

 

[blr_p]

OK So you want the solution..

No, i want you to define/explain why it/what is wrong ?

Once that is done we can think about why it should change.

lets first start off with a strict law of anyone found populating the rivers will be fined 10000 Rs..

Depends how well it is enforced. I'm sure such a law exists on the books already. It does in many places, but if it is cheaper to pay a fine than do the proper thing then companies will willingly pay this tax to pollute

I wish I could show these pictures to our 70 year old young Prime Minister.. and ask him WTF is going on.. Have you ever seen a PM speaking while looking at the notes all the time.. No one noticed right..

Who cares ? What matters is whether he is competent to lead and whether he has a good team. Ultimately any leader has to be accetable to the people. Substance is more important than form. And i think that is the major problem for you, image. This practice creates a bad image of India.

I can say that this practice does not change anything about India for me as it existed before there even was an India to begin with. It does not change what India is nor what it will become

Am i getting through to you now ?

These traditions make us what we are, however weird for other people, it is us and what we have been defined by. As long as its not some gross human right issue for the living, it should be worked with and be handled as best as possible.

ok

Rather than a free for all, let there be government intervention on the cremations, be a proper disposal system where dead bodies are collected later be burnt in a mass furnace and ashes scatter back in the Ganges. This is where preserving what we are comes in.

Messy, should govt be intervening directly in religous affairs ?

The only way it can is if the problem can be clearly defined and shown that there are costs for inaction.

So what are those costs ?

and blr_p, there are a few traditions that need to evolve with time as they usually do. While most things end up changed sooner or later, it would depend what kind of catalyst do you become for the change. For eg: The sati system, child marriages, with time things have changes and they will continue to. You may argue these things may still happen in pockets, but thats exactly what, they happen in pockets and not as widespread as they were before.

The reasons those were changed is because those practices primarily benefitted the families of the ppl concerned than the indivudals themselves. Both of these practices helped to preserve and extend influence or wealth in the family. Sati prevented the in-laws from claiming the groom's property which then went back to his family. Child marriage was another way of forming or extending alliances. Neither of these practices benefitted the interests of the ppl concerned but those of others.

 

[orangewrath]

I have never been to the Ganges yet but Oh my god, I don't think I would ever want to go there.
I'm almost about to be a doctor, hence Ive seen my share of dissected bodies, autopsies, but the sight of floating corpses in the so called holy river is so so sad and extremely appalling.
Add to that the image of people taking baths and swimming in the same water - but I'm sure most of us will want to shrug it off saying, this is my Incredible India!
God bless those souls.

 

[blr_p]

I have never been to the Ganges yet but Oh my god, I don't think I would ever want to go there.
I'm almost about to be a doctor, hence Ive seen my share of dissected bodies, autopsies, but the sight of floating corpses in the so called holy river is so so sad and extremely appalling.

But Ganga Jal is still in demand, Why ?

Add to that the image of people taking baths and swimming in the same water - but I'm sure most of us will want to shrug it off saying, this is my Incredible India!
God bless those souls.

Bingo, its an image thing isn't it.

 

[Mephistopheles]

This is a non-sequitur, it does not follow that if you permit these actions in the Ganges that tomorrow we will start sacrificing animals and children. That is not what is being implied at all.

He said the same thing i did earlier, which is, if this practice of dealing with the dead has been followed for generations then why should it be stopped now, why has it suddenly become wrong ?

Who says it has suddenly become wrong? Now, there is more awareness regarding this that is why the disscussion

The problem here is how do you show it is wrong, if ppl believe they can disperse the ashes of loved ones in the Ganges or even corpses. Tell me why is it bad to do this ?

Only reasons i got was it looks disgusting and gross, this is not sufficent grounds for me

Do those bodies remain there permanently and spoil the view for others, what ?

To me it is simply inhumane to just throw away corpses in the river for some belief system, and also a kind of insult to the dead. It also is very unpleasant to see and smell and also is harmful for the apparently sacred river.

But will ppl stop performing religous practices because they have become literate or even educated ?

I think arguiing for more education is missing the point.

No, that was not what I intended to convey. With education, a person will have some basic idea about the world and would make the person realize what religion and these customs actually are. These are just society-made provisions for the benefit of the society itself, and not to follow blindly and cause harm to oneself. If a person does not have money for firewood, bury the corpse rather than throwing it away in the holy river just because "religion" preaches so.

The religious spots are the most dirtiest in this country, people have no regard for the environment whatsoever, they just want to convey their prayers in hope of a better future for themselves. With education, atleast people will have have a basic sense of hygiene and how to conduct things. If religion is something in which people really believe, then I reckon the religious spots should not be in the condition they are now. Education brings a certain degree of required awareness so that a person can think logically and make positive decisions for oneself.

 

[kuld33p]

While I was coming back home, I was thinking about it..

I have more thoughts.. If we were doing something like this does not mean that we did not know if it was right or wrong earlier.. A lot of people like me who object these things would have existed in the past as well. But since we've got means to express our thought are available everywhere we hear these opinions.. otherwise you used to hear these stuff in news papers only when internet was not so available in india.. (would not say popular, because it was there but again due to our corrupt politicians/government it took us ages to get our hands on something which is an ancient technology in the world.)

 

[malhotraraul]

has someone gone to their freaking country & seen them eating HUMAN FETUS the ones which are aborted, ends up in their kitchen.

now, i have been to the Ganges this year start & was there for 3 days & roamed most of the places including the GHAT where the bodies are burnt & maximum shore area, did not see anything like this.

as we all know the population in UP is too much due to lack of educational knowledge & etc, more than 70% of population is below the line of poverty, since few years the entire northern belt was under famine & latest was the flood, making situation even worst.

they put the body in the Ganges because the major reason is that they cannot afford it, they are very poor & the PANDAS are very ruthless & do not pity, they even demolished the cremation chamber made by the government where poor people could burn the body for much less because no wood is used, because it was taking away their business.