Formula One : US Grand Prix

Michelin are to be blamed for the entire fiasco and not Ferrari....every1 came to Indianapolis to race...
And if a particular manufacturer wants to pull out on any given reason why shld the other teams be penalised for it?? If Michelins tyre's were not safe its entirely their own fault
also modifying a circuit just before the race on sunday wouldnt be a wise thing and thats why FIA didnt allow it...what if that same modification(the proposed chicane) had caused trouble during the first few laps...then who would take the blame?

BTW what if Ferrari, Jordan , Minardi had the tyre problems??? would the other teams have given in? would they allow a circuit modification? would they cancel the race??
Everyone would say just because Ferrari are a big team they make unreasonable demands....and also blame Micheal again for unsportsman like behaviour....
 
Bridgestone had their problems. It caused the mishaps with blown tyres and soo many other mishaps like spinouts etc.
Ferrari raced in those conditions. Bridgestone did not adviced them to pull out. Rather ferrari didnt.
It was lame on the other teams part not to race. Atleast they should have kept the decision upto the drivers. I am sure drivers like Alanso, kimmi, Kulthard will race in any condition.
Didnt Mclaren took a huge risk with kimmi with damaged tyre couple of races ago? Didnt Kimmi crashed? they decided to continue for the sake of winning. They took the risk that time. then why not yesterday?
It was all about politics. nothing more, nohing less.
 
hehe....cool race..ferrari getting back their luck at last :P

but they shud've agreed to the chicane...if they were so confident about their performance they shud have agreed..
their statement "its not our problem " is so damn childish .. they seem to have totally forgotten the interests of F1 and the fact that millions are watching the race worldwide. even though i'm a ferrari fan , i'm having to say this cuz it was really foolish.
 
AAAHHH!!!!

FINALLY!!!!

Funky, Wraith!!! Where the hell were you??? I was fighting a lone crusade aginst the anti-Ferrari brigade!!!

I agree with you perfectly. And remember what MS said at the final press conference abt the incident at Imola??? Check ym previous posts.
 
I agree that it is all Michelin's fault.
I am a Mclaren supporter myself, but u cannot blame poor old Ferrari for this.
If they (read Michelin teams) were so concerned about driver safety, then why in the hell cudn't they get their tyre manufacturer to make better tyres?
I agree the race was a farce, but that is Michelin's fault, not Ferrari. Ferrari cam e to race and they did. The other teams were the ones who let down the fans.
If everyone decided not to race, then how wud the fans have been any happier?
And why the hell shud that chicane have been built at the last moment anyway? It is not like the track design was a big secret - they had the same problem last year. Why didn't anyone raise a ruckus then, and ask that the design be changed for this year?
Bunch of losers those Michelin teams. If u can't build a good machine, then u damn well take the blame for it yourself.
 
lol @ KingKrool
it surely was not a track related issue. nothing wrong with the track design and its all michelin's fault. fault lies with the tyres they supplied to the teams. how cud you blame the teams for that? :P

yes, the teams are always (in most cases, atleast) concerned abt driver safety and the teams were not aware of the tyre problems before. it all started after friday practice i think when michelin ordered all teams to increase tyre pressure etc. as precautionary measure. saturday they were investigating the matter and sunday they flown in new set of tyres but the teams were not allowed to change tyres as that would have surely attracted some sort of penalty. in anycase, no one is denying the fact that michelin is at fault and they mite even get a ban for this one. their future in F1 is kinda uncertain now after yesterday;s incident.

well, its good that ferrari took advantage of the fact and if they think its fair, so be it but they cud have just agreed to a modified chicane (as 9 other teams agreed). it wasn't to be a major modification and was to be done just for slowing down the cars in turn 13, no overtaking there etc. as we all understand that a major modification wasn't possible at that point. FIA cud have cancelled that race altogether as there's some kinda provision for race to be cancelled when there are less than 12 cars or smthing like that. wat happened yesterday was just undescribable in a single word.

btw, the michelin runners even offered the bridgestone teams to take up top spots on the grid and forfeit any points for the race provided they get the modified chicane. all these just coz of spectators interest. its not that they wud have gained much frm the race even with a modified chicane but atleast we wud have got to see a thrilling race rather than a lame race that we saw yesterday. :)
 
just to add to that, minardi gave an official statement that they and jordan would not have raced along with other teams. But jordan did not honour the commitment. Anyway woul;d have been fun to see two red cars on track alone..
call it whoevers fault.. but what ferrari did yesterday will not portray them in good light. And you are so much quoting "why its not ferrairs fault.. why they suffer"
what about the people who paid 100$. Its not their fault that one team is adament about racing just to get some points via a lucky break cos they know they can't if other race. F1 is not about 1 team its about people who watch it. No one was happy yesterday and it all happened due to michelin yes.. but also due to ferrai. Ferrari was wrong and thats a fact. Now to everyone his own opinions. This is the majority opinion thats it.
 
Quickfire the decision to forfeit points was turned down by FIA again. Not ferrari or bridgestone users.
1. Teams requested FIA to allow the change of tyres. FIA denied.
2. Teams said they will forfeit the points if FIA allows the change of tyres. Again FIA denied due to the rules.
3. Even if Ferrari decided to allow the change in track FIA would not have changed it.
4. The only possible solution was either they race as it is or dont race.

If everyone had decided to forfeit what would have happened? Nothing. Ferrari came to race they did.
http://www.espnstar.com/formula1/formula1_newsdetail_1545585.html

read it very carefully. There was nothing that could have been done irrespective of what Ferrari wanted. Either there would not have been any race or the one which we saw yesterday. If bridgestone users did not had raced then there is strong possibility of some sort of deciplinary action taken by FIA on them. Michelin users had excuse, bridgestone useres did not.
 
And it is easy to say after the race that they wanted to race for the fans. ALL CRAP!!! Why didn't the cars come out in the beginnin for a few laps at least???

Now that the race is over, they are just talking crap!!!

Nikhil posted 0.9 minutes later:
espnstar.com said:
The mass defection capped a morning of confusion that saw the International Automobile Federation (FIA) veto the suggestion of introducing a temporary chicane before the final turn.
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Saw that???
 
what about the people who paid 100$. Its not their fault that one team is adament about racing just to get some points via a lucky break cos they know they can't if other race. F1 is not about 1 team its about people who watch it. No one was happy yesterday and it all happened due to michelin yes.. but also due to ferrai. Ferrari was wrong and thats a fact. Now to everyone his own opinions. This is the majority opinion thats it.
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What rubbish...u think the specattors would have been any happier if the enite event was cancelled??
You think by cancelling the race the spectators would have got their money back and would given the teams n FIA a pat on the back???
The ppl would have been angry any which way no cars or only 6 cars....and Michelin are to blame for all this!!
Cant those fools @ Michelin figure out which tyre would last the race or not...havent they done enough testing?? dont they have the resources?

Why shld Ferrari,Jordan,Minardi n Bridgestone suffer because some foolish manufacturer wanst upto the mark!!
You think Ferrari and the other teams came to USA for free? Didnt they have sponsor commitments?

I can understand the other teams wanting to race for the sake of the spectators but the new rules dont allow for change of tyres(which those Michelin fools knew very well)...so why blame Ferrari for wanting to race??

FIA said points would be awared...and Ferarri is here to race and win not for charity...they dont spent all that money on drivers n cars so that their rivals can screw up big time n get races cancelled.

Also if all the Michelin run teams were so overtly concerned....why did they take part in qualifying?? Why did Toyota celebrate pole postion when they proabbly knew that wont they be taking part in the race? they shld have withdrawn during the pratice sessions itself......
Michelin were hoping for some luck but sadly they ran out of it.....
 
it seems that the FIA offered the michelin teams a chance to drive slow around turn 13.. why didnt any one take up this option ? they offered to monitor speeds at that turn and penalise drivers who exceeded it.

or they could have used the pit lane. both would have been supported by the FIA and would have been better than the piece of crap we had yesterday.

why point fingers at ferrari ? :S their attitude kinda sucked yesterday but they dont really have any say in how the race is to be conducted.
plus i hear the cause of the fault with the tyres was cause the track was resurfaced recently and had a rougher surface than usual to give more grip to the indy cars. guess that caught out michelin. brigestone probably lucked out bringing the hard compound tyre given how pathetic their soft tyres are even on normal tracks :P
 
The Michelin teams’ lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula One. It must also be remembered that the FIA wrote to all of the teams and both tyre manufacturers on June 1, 2005, to emphasise that "tyres should be built to be reliable under all circumstances".
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A chicane would have forced all cars, including those with tyres optimised for high-speed, to run on a circuit whose characteristics had changed fundamentally – from ultra-high speed (because of turn 13) to very slow and twisting. It would also have involved changing the circuit without following any of the modern safety procedures, possibly with implications for the cars and their brakes. It is not difficult to imagine the reaction of an American court had there been an accident (whatever its cause) with the FIA having to admit it had failed to follow its own rules and safety procedures.
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The reason for this debacle is clear. Each team is allowed to bring two types of tyre: one an on-the-limit potential race winner, the other a back-up which, although slower, is absolutely reliable. Apparently, none of the Michelin teams brought a back-up to Indianapolis. They subsequently announced they were flying in new tyres from France but then claimed that these too were unsafe.
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What about the American fans? What about Formula One fans world-wide? Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13. The rules would have been kept, they would have earned Championship points and the fans would have had a race. As it is, by refusing to run unless the FIA broke the rules and handicapped the Bridgestone runners, they have damaged themselves and the sport.
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Source : Formula1.com the official forumla1 website
Read the whole thing here
Now what do the Ferrari haters have to say???
 
I'm neither a Ferrari hater nor a Ferrari lover.
All I can say its coz of Michelin, FIA and Ferrari (in that damn order)
that we were deprived of an exciting and thrilling race at Indianapolis.
Each one of those three will have to take a portion of the blame.

FIA sucked when it said "Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams
should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13". It woudn't have
been a race then. It wud have been an exhibition of high tech cars. :ohyeah:
Well, it was okay if every team were instructed to do so and not just the
michelin runners. Anyways, its over now.
 
QuickFire said:
I'm neither a Ferrari hater nor a Ferrari lover.
All I can say its coz of Michelin, FIA and Ferrari .
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why ferrari :P they had nothing to do with what happened. even if they had agreed fia would not have allowed a chicane and if ferrari had boycotted the race then they would have faced a penalty for not appearing for the race when they had all the proper equipment

michelin should have sent someone before the race to rest track conditions and then decide on tyres. bridgestone probaby got all the info from firestone and prev indy races so they came prepared :P
 
and also...did u hear a car-pit radi comment?? when it was ~40 odd laps, pit to schoeme, they sad the tyre is still good for another 100 laps :rofl:

rubbing salt into michelin's wounds :P

hope michelin get their ass sued right down to hell....
 
why ferrari they had nothing to do with what happened. even if they had agreed fia would not have allowed a chicane and if ferrari had boycotted the race then they would have faced a penalty for not appearing for the race when they had all the proper equipment
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Totally agree with u there man!! 100% correct!
Situation currently is
1) Michelin screwed up big time!
2) FIA stood by the rules...however allowing a few concessions
3) Ferrari did what they went to the US for,RACE!!!!
 
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