Formula One : US Grand Prix

Me I agree too, Michelin screwed up, 13 teams suffered because they had contarcts with Michelin. Why argue about it like it was a unique race ?

It was a normal race like every Sunday, the FIA is right, go slow or F*** Off !
 
like mentioned earlier in this very thread, its fashinable to be a ferrari-bashing-camper..

all those blaming the 'damn' Ferrari for the farce, show one good link that points to the fact that it was the 'damn' Ferrari's fault and not FIA's decision at all.. Get ur facts right b4 u wanna be a ferrari-bashing-camper..

TheMask posted 2.53 minutes later:

i missed all the action here.. too bad.. looks like QF n SN have gone into hiding now.. is it b'coz the beast is lurking around? :devil:
 
bottle said:
only thing that should have been done was to annouce in advance that they all would not be running instead of grandstanding and pulling out at the last minute and pissing everyone off.
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tat was done for the sake of rules. if they hadn't done the installation lap or warm-up lap, the race was as good as cancelled. :P Now that they have followed the rules frm head to toe, FIA wont be able to take any action against them coz its their decision if they wish to run their car or not. the reason being driver's safety is too big to be ignored.
TheMask said:
i missed all the action here.. too bad.. looks like QF n SN have gone into hiding now.. is it b'coz the beast is lurking around?
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Welcome Mr. beast
btw, if ferrari wud have agreed to support the 9 other teams, then I'm sure FIA wud have done something to make sure all 20 cars participated. I'm not saying what ferrari did was wrong or right coz its everyone's own opinion and I believe ferrari cud have helped in this matter.
 
QuickFire said:
tat was done for the sake of rules. if they hadn't done the installation lap or warm-up lap, the race was as good as cancelled. :P Now that they have followed the rules frm head to toe, FIA wont be able to take any action against them coz its their decision if they wish to run their car or not.
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not so, the teams are under contract and they have to race 2 cars in each race. remember the us gp after the WTC incident where ecclestone threatened to strip schumacher of his title if he didnt appear since wasnt interested in racing that race.

and this is one of the charges filed by FIA. plus whats the point of rules if you are gonna bend it just because the majority of the teams suffer . remember BAR got banned for being underweight . supposed 10 teams were underweight do you think FIA should change weight rules to have a race ?

QuickFire said:
I believe ferrari cud have helped in this matter.
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in what way ? even if they had supported the rest. the final descision was by charlie whiting or whoever who rejected suggestions of building a chicane.

and why would you expect anything from ferrari knowing their style of doing anything to win :P
 
In identical letters to the seven team bosses published by the FIA on Tuesday, Formula One’s governing body, who has summoned the teams to appear before the World Motor Sport Council next Wednesday, listed a number of charges.

The charges given are that, according to the FIA, each team:

• failed to ensure that they had a supply of suitable tyres for the race
• wrongfully refused to allow their cars to start the race
• wrongfully refused to allow their cars to race, subject to a speed restriction in one corner which was safe for such tyres as they had available
• combined with other teams to make a demonstration damaging to the image of Formula One by pulling into the pits immediately before the start of the race
• failed to notify the stewards of their intention not to race, in breach of Article 131 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Article 131 states: "The starting grid will be published four hours before the race. Any competitor whose car(s) is (are) unable to start for any reason whatsoever (or who has good reason to believe that their car(s) will not be ready to start) must inform the stewards accordingly at the earliest opportunity and, in any event, no later than 45 minutes before the start of the race.â€

The FIA told the teams they will be sent a full dossier of the charges within the next 24 hours and invited them to send any comments they should have in writing prior to their meeting with the Council in Paris on June 29.
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Source : www.formula1.com the official formula1 website

Just look at how many rules they broke!!! Poor souls!!
 
Nikhil said:
AAAHHH!!!!

FINALLY!!!!

Funky, Wraith!!! Where the hell were you??? I was fighting a lone crusade aginst the anti-Ferrari brigade!!!

I agree with you perfectly. And remember what MS said at the final press conference abt the incident at Imola??? Check ym previous posts.
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Sorry for being late Nikhil...
Ferrari isn't a tyre manufacturer, then why is it to be blamed. The thing is that the other teams dun like Ferrari coz they have been beating them convincingly for the past half a decade. Some interesting points were made by some members. Esp the comment that McLaren risked running Kimi and then he ultimately crashed, is a BIG proof that all this was crap. Michelin didn't do the homework and to keep that in the backseat they created this BIG hoopla. Now in the next race some team may say that our cars are not suitable for this or that circuit, pls remove it from the calender. Or maybe they may even say that Monaco is a very narrow circuit so pls remove it from the calender. Whatever might have been the reason for the tyre prob, Michelin should have given the choice to the teams whethere they wish to race or not. Now where does Ferrari come into the picture. They did the right thing. They practiced and had a setup for the normal track, and if hey would have modified the track then they would have to change the setup and to do that in such a short notice is not possible. So why should Ferrari or the Bridgestone shod teams suffer because of Michelin's fault. How can Michelin take FIA for ride. They have to follow the rules and not FIA has to make rules acc to them. Enough said. And all those who are saying crap for Ferrari are just angry coz Ferrari got points in the race, what else did u expect? They too should have entered the pits? And give away the points just coz Michelin doesn't know how to provide safe tyres? Ferrari is a professional team and they did he RIGHT thing.
peace.....
 
hey geek_rohit

I got your PM but deleted it by mistake.... and I didn't have time to visit other forums and sites.... so, could you please send me the link by PM again???

But I really doubt if I will be able to give much of my time... WIll explain by a PM later.....

And what you say is 100% true.... no point in blaming Ferrari.

And I like that.....

You blast Michelin and then say "peace"..... :bleh: :rofl: Nice!!!!

Anyyway, please PM me whenever you can.... I am in no hurry...
 
geek_rohit said:
Sorry for being late Nikhil...
Ferrari isn't a tyre manufacturer, then why is it to be blamed. The thing is that the other teams dun like Ferrari coz they have been beating them convincingly for the past half a decade. Some interesting points were made by some members. Esp the comment that McLaren risked running Kimi and then he ultimately crashed, is a BIG proof that all this was crap. Michelin didn't do the homework and to keep that in the backseat they created this BIG hoopla. Now in the next race some team may say that our cars are not suitable for this or that circuit, pls remove it from the calender. Or maybe they may even say that Monaco is a very narrow circuit so pls remove it from the calender. Whatever might have been the reason for the tyre prob, Michelin should have given the choice to the teams whethere they wish to race or not. Now where does Ferrari come into the picture. They did the right thing. They practiced and had a setup for the normal track, and if hey would have modified the track then they would have to change the setup and to do that in such a short notice is not possible. So why should Ferrari or the Bridgestone shod teams suffer because of Michelin's fault. How can Michelin take FIA for ride. They have to follow the rules and not FIA has to make rules acc to them. Enough said. And all those who are saying crap for Ferrari are just angry coz Ferrari got points in the race, what else did u expect? They too should have entered the pits? And give away the points just coz Michelin doesn't know how to provide safe tyres? Ferrari is a professional team and they did he RIGHT thing.
peace.....
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double that ..... though am not a ferrari fan , what geek said is perfect in every sense .
 
Nikhil said:
DUDE!!!
There are only 10 teams in F1.... from where did you get 13 teams runningMichelin?? I think you mean 14 drivers.......
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Yeah I did mean 14 drivers ;) a typo from my side, anyways me celebrating Schumi's win and Ferrari's return in whatever circumstances et al !
 
Okay breaking news here...
Official BMW Website said:
BMW realigns its Formula One involvement.
Munich, 22nd June 2005. BMW is striking out on a new path in Formula One. After acquiring a majority shareholding in the Swiss Sauber team, a BMW managed team will be contesting the Formula One World Championship as early as 2006. This was decided by the BMW Board of Management on Tuesday. It means that, for the first time in company history, BMW will be competing independently in Formula One.
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WOW!!!

What will happen to Williams now??? Who will they parnter???

And this had to happen...... BMW were put off by Williams lacklustre performance for the past 2 years...
 
mercedes hinted abt supplying their engines to some other team apart frm mclaren frm next year..maybe williams? who knows ;)

QuickFire posted 10.08 minutes later:

In other rumours associated with the buy-out, Nick Heidfeld is expected to join the switch to Sauber, a team which he drove for in 2003. Button and Webber for Williams?? :P
 
they should rename that to "how stodart sucked up to the rest of the field" :P

i seriously think they should have cancelled the race and had it a week later or something to give michelin the time to test out a proper set of tyres (though they dont really deserve this)

Jean Todt said:
He insisted that Ferrari did not veto the chicane proposal as it was not even consulted about it – not that consultation would have made any difference to its position.

“We would not have agreed, but we were never asked about it,†said Todt.

“Is it serious to decide to put in a chicane in half an hour with nobody testing it?

“It’s ridiculous.â€

Todt suggested that if it had been Ferrari and Bridgestone in trouble, none of the other teams would have come to their aid.

“If, for example, we don’t have enough grip for qualifying and we ask for three laps because we have good grip after the third lap; or if we ask for a chicane because we think it would be safer for our tyres, I think everybody would laugh at us,†he said.

“Honestly, why should we compromise?â€
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http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33217
 
heh,
But i dont think cancelling or rescheduling the race was an option.
I mean its F1 for god's sake. Its no joke. TV times, schedules are fixed, race dates are fixed. Every team must have some plans of their own like testing. Millions of $$$$ went into preparation of the race.
If given all this I dont think there was any other option than to host the race at given day and time.
Also from the looks of it, Michelin and 7 teams are gona be in some trouble for all this.
F1 is F1, its mosley show. He is the person who brought F1 to where it is in terms of popularity.
The rules are there. Date and time is there, circuit is there. What else do you want?
Seriously what was michelin doing? This was serious technical laps from them. They should have inspected the ckt and be ready with proper tyres. All this over tyres. Still cant believe it.

And agree with the todd's reaction. It would be like asking HSC student to give maths paper on the day of biology paper.
 
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