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Tide still has not got its act together for India.I have soft water for sure. I have a hard time removing soap(Dettol)from my body while bathing. I have seen suds forming when I use full scoop of the small one. Looking at the larger scoops provided by Ariel and tide and claiming it to be 60gms when full, I think mine won't be 30gms. I tried filling the 60gms scoop with the small scoop I used and it definitely doesn't fill half of 60gm scoop. Either way, need to give another try next time to see the level of sudding. All those sudding issues was with tide.
The only detergent i can find for FL's is from their website. Just one litre imported from the US and out of stock. The other is pods which feature a FL. .
I like the idea of pods even less than liquid as you can't custom dose. And the company is assured you have to use a minimum amount.
At the cost of those pods i'd get four times the use from liquid. I bet the detergent quality is better with pods but not 4x better.
Surf liquid laundry detergent is made in India. Not surprising considering Unilever's relationship with India is over a century old.
Ariel imports from China for the 0.5, 1L bottles, from Vietnam for the 2.5L and from Japan for Ariel's pods. Only Ariel powder is made here.
I found another by Ariel with similar instructions. This is the 'anti-germ' variant.Depends from what perspective you see. If considering from TL, then what you said is correct. If you see from FL, then dosages exceed to achieve the same concentration. efficacy.
Whose misguiding the customers? Company or Amazon? Either ways, I learnt my lesson and not going to cheap out on detergents. Initially, I found it hard to justify that massive jump in price from a regular detergent to a washing machine FL detergent can be more than 100%, unless they are using gold.
Heh, even the graphics look the same as Tide.
What does it contain to qualify as 'anti-germ' ? Oxygen bleach. But i can't find this product on Ariel's website (!)
I don't understand how it can be used for both TL & FL. If you have to use 3 scoops for a TL then it works out more expensive than detergents that only require one.
Only way i understand this is if its used as an additive to regular detergent. You need three times more in a FL because there is as much water.
This is not a substitute for regular detergent. I'd just use Vanish.
There is no data for liquids as yet. Maybe next year we get another report which includes front loader powders as well.I am surprised Surf Matic is on a higher side than Ariel Matic. Most YT videos on laundry liquid detergents give higher preference to Ariel over Surf. But it's subjective. Also, the pdf is on powder, my opinion based on liquids.
I don't find any residue in the clothes when i use Surf. I don't know what they are selling on Amazon, i've never had any diluting when buying liquids locally. Half the time I don't trust what i read on amazon because these people have no clue.I honestly didn't find much difference as 3 months is less time to determine the wash quality. But from cost wise for liquids, Ariel is costly than Surf. Also surf tends to leave some residue as mentioned in one of YT video so I went for Ariel. It has fragrance, can be overwhelming if used in excess.
Regarding powders and liquids, liquid(225) was cheaper than powder(250). I got it from local store since there were many reviews on Amazon mentioning liquids being diluted and it formed foam when shaken. Liquids don't form foam as they are highly viscous.
Liquids will help to maintain colour of the clothes as they don't have bleach like in detergents. Coloured clothes will fade over time with detergent as it dulls the dye.
The bleach you refer to is oxygen bleach or sodium percarbonate, releases hydrogen peroxide that bleaches the clothes. It's colour safe. Vanish is the best known product for this. The difference is they say to soak colours no longer than an hour but whites can be soaked up to 6 hours. So there is clue right there. Contact duration. How long is the detergent in contact with the clothes.
With lighter loads wash cycle does not exceed an hour but will if its a full load or heavy load.
Thing is they don't put this 'oxygen' term on the packet. It's not advertised. Neither Ariel or Surf. . Ariel points out its there in their powder but not in their liquid. However they don't say powder will fade colours just that whites won't be as white with the liquid.
To confuse things more Ariel has a colours safe powder but only for top loaders (!) Can't use that in a FL.
Surf does not say their powder has oxygen bleach so i figure their powder is safer with colours than Ariel in a FL. I asked them and this is the reply..
Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for contacting Consumer Care cell of Hindustan Unilever Limited.
We have received your Email, and are glad to have the opportunity to respond to your concerns.
We would suggest you to use Surf Excel Matic Front Load for colours & white clothes.
Below are the ingredients for front load and top load.
Front Load:- Surf excel matic has revolutionary "vibrating molecules" that remove the stains inside the machine without pre-soaking.
Top Load:- Surfactant, builder, processing aid, filler, enzymes, perfume,bleaching agent, fluorescer,anti redeposition agent, colorant and water.
Thank you for taking the time to contact us!
Warm Regards,
Lever Care Team,
revolutionary "vibrating molecules" in front load ?!!?
Henko Stain Champion and its Matic variant states there is oxygen power and specify its for stains. It's on the packet.
But according to that report Henko Stain Champion was only as good as Ariel but not as good as Surf.
I'm surprised it had less detergency.
Dye's fading is down to the quality of dyes used. Cheaper clothes don't use as stable dyes which fade over time. Direct sunlight can bleach clothes too.
I would not say powders per se fade dyes more than liquids. They can if contact duration exceeds an hour or more. That's the qualifier.
Here is the next thing. There is no mention of machine drum size when it comes to dosing. So they have taken an average again out of the available three drum sizes.This is highly misleading. There can't be binary recommendations. Dosage depends on many factors.. water quality, number of clothes, drum capacity etc. A 60 ml dosage for a 8-9kg full load would be sufficient, but the same for a full load for 6kg drum is overuse. You not only damage the environment, waste water to remove excess soap, but also the machine. I think companies are playing safe as you mentioned but with time one should get an idea what is correct dosage.
I think companies are getting greedy by asking customers to use excess detergents. Ariel earlier used to have marking on dosage cup which serves as a reference based on load. Now its plain 60ml full cup. And though it says 60ml, I found that it does exceed by a certain amount.
Guess the recommend is for the middle size machine which I recommend.. Yours is smaller.
They reason they recommend larger doses is they take into consideration poor quality water to avoid negative publicity. My estimate is the dose is good for water upto 400 ppm hardness.
I had looked up standards some time ago and posted them somewhere on the board. One scoop is some international standard for dosage around the 60gm mark. All stain performance tests are performed with that dosage of detergent.
The capacity of your drum is around 36 litres. 60 to 70% of that is 20-25 litres for full load.Sorry. I didn't understand this.
How much volume of clothes is a full load ? The amount of clothes to fill a bucket of volume 20 litres. When that bucket overflows that quantity of clothes is a full load.
With my machine its 30-35 litres. Hence the reason i don't recommend people buy the machine size you got. I know you have space constraints so that's the max size you can have.
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