Front loading or top loading washing machine?

So Croma didn't have the 7kg Samsung front load on display. They said it's only available online. They were really pushing the LG models because of direct drive. But for LG one needs to get at least an 8 kg for a 55cm depth. The machines with a 45 cm depth were so frikkin tiny.
 
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Wondering why LG would need to mention less fabric damage as a feature. If the AI DD machines take an hour longer to complete a full load than non-AI machines then the argument could be made that the longer duration can cause more wear and tear to the clothes. So the turbo wash keeps drenching the clothes to reduce that wear and tear.

The reason it takes an hour longer to complete a full load is that it uses less water. Still less water than non-AI machines. The reason it uses less water is that Koreans want the five-star energy ratings and people want this 'Add Item' feature. Where they can add extra items they forgot once the wash has begun like you can with a top loader. It's quite amazing how this works if you don't have a machine with this feature. You press pause and the door lock releases in less than a mere couple of seconds later :oops: You add the item, close the door, hit play and the wash resumes. The way Samsung addresses this in some models is they have a chute built into the machine door. Which obscures the view somewhat.

I really wish LG did not opt for these double-paned doors with their higher-end models. Did somebody's kid get their fingers burnt by touching the glass during a hot wash or what?
So Croma didn't have the 7kg Samsung front load on display. They said it's only available online. They were really pushing the LG models because of direct drive. But for LG one needs to get at least an 8 kg for a 55cm depth. The machines with a 45 cm depth were so frikkin tiny.
Very good. The more people that understand this the better because I did not get this at the start. Some people can just tell by looking, but not so in my case. I built cardboard models of the drums of machines with 45cm and 55cm. Then put laundry in them to see which size would work taking into account 70% max loading. Now I saw the difference. Why paying the extra 10k mattered and big time. This issue is only there with LGs due to DD being mounted behind the drum and the fact such small machines are sold here. Not in Europe where everything starts at 8kg and 55 cm depth as a bare minimum.

Belt-driven models which every other vendor sells all average out at 50 litre plus drums because the motor is located below the drum. You would not be cramped for space with them and this consideration would never come up in your decision. Though of late, I've noticed Bosch has started selling smaller models to compete so there's that. Even more interesting is these particular models do not come with sealed tubs, unlike every other bigger model in the Bosch or Siemens catalogue.

Sellers always push those smaller machines because they cost less. They push those machines because they think they have better chances of making a sale. In other words, they are looking after their bottom line. Not yours ;)

I have a couple of members of my family with such machines and they always say well it's only for one or two people in one case even a family of four. They just did more washes each day. More wear and tear and work for no good reason. I've had people on this board that have opted for them too. If you have space constraints that is one thing otherwise it's a bad choice.
@blr_p thanks for the link and video. Good content. Also, I don't think anyone with a half a brain actually thinks WM wash better than hands do. I mean I cannot speak for ultra bright gen alpha though. For normal folks like us, that bloody thing is used only for heavy clothings, bedsheet and all, where if spots are missed nobody gives a f about.
Well, there should not be any spots missed with a machine that does the job properly

There is a bit more going on in addition to that video. Handwashing involves friction to clean clothes. Machines can't use that and have to rely on other parameters.
Have some IFB elite or whatever, it's 5 kg only and while cleaning the machine sometimes shakes so hard it actually moves an inch or two. Wish it had better built. That's why was looking for an upgrade from that 2007 bought machine. But never mind, too much they ask for these good for almost nothing stuffs nowadays.
What kind of machine is that IFB elite? TL, FL what. Can you post a photo of the console showing the name and model number?

Shaking might suggest the shocks need a look at.

Your machine is 16 years old and still working? :oops:
 
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^Make friends with @lockhrt999 who has had it for almost eight months now

For people coming from a top loader, these plain jane models from either LG & Samsung will be good enough. You will definitely see an improvement in wash performance and be satisfied. So long as you use the right detergent and stick to warm washes.

It is notable that in 2023, on a tech board where everybody looking for the next best thing that the models to recommend aren't higher-end. The plain jane models are at least five years old as far as tech goes.

Is this a perception problem on my part or what.

4. If I could get 55cm depth machine, I think even 7kg capacity will be more than enough for us. We hardly use half of 5.5 of the current machine. Plus we don't even leave house as like before. 7kg should give us 20-30% extra buffer for edge cases.

How about this? https://www.amazon.in/dp/B09KGY7S81 samsung 7kg but 55cm depth, 2022 model and no touch panel.

If possible, I'd like to avoid touch panel stuff because our current machine which has membrane panel had stopped working for more than 10 days this month because of the high humidity. But this is the time where we need the machine the most.
 
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@blr_p Am looking on finalising this model. There is an offer with SC card and I think it will work out to 34k approx.

Go ahead and tell us how this AI works out. It has a clear window so that is good. If you stick to 40 degree washes you will be fine.

Have you seen the model in the store?

Manual is here and it says the minimum water pressure required is 50kPa which is good.

When you get the machine. Do us a favour. When they come to install it, Get them to lean it over and post a photo of the underneath showing the tub clearly. Remove the rat trap if necessary. I don't think it will be installed at the factory. So take the photo before they install it.

The photo should look like this one

And that is how we will know the status of LG's tubs in 2023
@blr_p Suggest a good one for around 25k.
Post #643 or you can get a plain jane LG for a little more. 6 motion, better wash action.
 
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Why don't you enter the 21st century and get a front loader or is that just not an option ?
End user wants a top loader, already has front loader, BOSCH and I am extremely happy with my old school semi my lord.
 
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^That is one option. No heater. Read the posts below. 8kg with a 55L drum is the minimum size to recommend for LG top loaders. If you can add a solar water heater to it you will get better results.

Otherwise, get a top loader like these 8kg IFB or Panasonic with built-in heater but I'm not sure whether Panasonic drum is a little smaller than the LG or IFB.

Oh and did you know Bosch does top loaders too, India only o_O


Amazon

That's the only one with an internal heater

Panasonic would be the first choice here as it has the heater and if the drum size is acceptable.

Too bad your friend lives in Punjab, I'd have liked to get your feedback on how well it cleans compared with your agitator
 

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I've ordered the 7KG Samsung front load. A Samsung person called me an offered a 10% discount so it worked out to about 26k and then I used a no cost EMI
Where did you place the order?
On flipkart I see it's coming to about 23.5k.

28k listed price - 1k card discount - 1.25k ICICI credit card discount - extra 0.75k icici credit card discount - 1.5k super coin discount. Plus if you have an old machine to exchange, the price will go down even further. It only makes sense if you have icici credit card.
 
Where did you place the order?
On flipkart I see it's coming to about 23.5k.

28k listed price - 1k card discount - 1.25k ICICI credit card discount - extra 0.75k icici credit card discount - 1.5k super coin discount. Plus if you have an old machine to exchange, the price will go down even further. It only makes sense if you have icici credit card.
I don't have super coins. And if I opted for No cost EMI there was a difference of like 250 bucks between Flipkart and Samsung

Also no Old machine to exchange
 
@blr_p Am looking on finalising this model. There is an offer with SC card and I think it will work out to 34k approx.

From the manual the way the BEE energy ratings are calculated is as follows

Set energy program at "Cotton" + "Cold" + "1000RPM" + "Intensive" option for test in accordance or in conformity with standards IEC 60456:2010 & BEE schedule -12 (Revision - 3)
Cold ? who uses cold for washing...

So LG has no reason not to have an internal heater in a top loader then. I wonder why they don't make them yet.

If you calculate the power usage from the BEE label it will come out short since you are supposed to be doing 40 °C washes minimum

A cold wash would average around 0.1kWh, a 40 °C just over 0.25kWh and a 60 °C closer to 0.5kWh

The label says 0.07kWh :rolleyes:

Bigger machine means fewer washes, less power consumption, less effort, less wear and tear
 

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Installation completed today. It was factory fitted with rat mesh. But the technician was removing the back panel to remove some transport related screws. Clicked a pic then and looks like it's an unsealed drum. But this is 2022 stock so can't be sure of how 2023 stock will be. Now I've to go through this entire thread to identify which detergent to use. If you can give a TLDR it will be very helpful @blr_p

I'm obviously looking for something economical. I was randomly checking at a supermarket and found that front loading detergent powder is like 4-5 times costlier than tide.
 

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Clicked a pic then and looks like it's an unsealed drum. But this is 2022 stock so can't be sure of how 2023 stock will be.
Bingo! LG uses unsealed drums as expected. Thanks for confirming :D

If you post the serial# I can tell you its birthday
Now I've to go through this entire thread to identify which detergent to use. If you can give a TLDR it will be very helpful @blr_p
Surd Excel Matic powder for front loader

I like that. Been using it for ages. Powder. Just 1kg to get you started.
I'm obviously looking for something economical. I was randomly checking at a supermarket and found that front loading detergent powder is like 4-5 times costlier than tide.
Only use a detergent that says it is for front loader. That is a fixed rule you must not deviate from ever

It has a direct bearing on working life. Use the right detergent expect 10+ years of life. Use the wrong one and avg will be 5-7 years for a catastrophic fault. With any front loader.

I dinged P&G for not providing Tide for different machines. A few months later they complied

Tide powder for Front Loader

Note how it says for front loader and not for both? that matters. If you see a detergent that shows both machines, ignore it. Most likely for top loaders only.

Follow that rule for Ariel as well if you want to try it.

The same applies for liquids

Tide Liquid for front loader

Surf Excel Matic Liquid for front loader

How to be economical? try smaller amounts for starters and once you find something you like then you can buy larger volumes. You can get surf in 4-6kg packs

You might not find these in supermarkets, maybe if you go to hypermarkets on the city outskirts or just use Amazon

How much to dose depends on your water hardness. Mine is 175 ppm at its hardest (dry season) and goes as low as 60 ppm (monsoons)

Note I said ppm and not TDS. TDS is useless. A water hardness testing kit will tell you what your hardness is.

I use a full 30 gm scoop for a full load. The scoop you get is 50 gm and they recommend that as a standard dose. It's one big average for the country taking into account hard water up to 350ppm. If your water isn't that hard you can get away with less.

As a general rule start with half the dose recommended and adjust from there. In addition to water hardness, dosing also depends on soil level and the size of the load. It has nothing to do with the amount of water.
 
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I'm obviously looking for something economical. I was randomly checking at a supermarket and found that front loading detergent powder is like 4-5 times costlier than tide.
So you bought 34k worth washing machine and now looking to cheap out on detergent?

There are only 2 options in the market. Ariel matic front load and Excel matic front load. 6KG box costs around 1.1k and lasts for a year.