Help me build a decently high end gaming pc budget (70-100K)

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Excellent, thanks for the advice guys, I'm really liking the cooler master HAF 932.

Also, I read in some forums that there are some new games and applicatoins that only run smoothly on a core 2 quad system.

Does that mean, they won't run well on an i7? If that makes any sense. I'm fine if I dont get enhanced performance, as in the games can't take advantage of the i7's extra power, but will the games not run efficiently?

I would really appreciate an answer to this.
 
vkendromeda said:
Nvidia: 9800GT 1GB Rs 11500~12000


LOL, You want to group a puny old 9800GT with the likes of Core i7 920, MSI X58 and 6GB DDR3 RAM.

eyeatoma said:
CPU: Intel Core i7-920

RAM: 6GB DDR3

MOBO: Gigabyte or Asus...which is better, which would you recommend.

The main gripe of the Core i7 platform today is very high cost of the motherboards, and DDR3 RAM. An avg to decent motherboard costs about 15k and a high end enthusiast board costs 20~30k. Similarly DDR3 RAM is pretty costly. These main components alone are gonna cost you near the 50k mark and what you are gonna end up with is the lowest end of the core i7 range.

You can probably get a Q9650 for the same price as the Core i7 920 and with min effort you should be able to overclock and run it stable at 3.8~4.0 GHz. Even though i7 is faster than the Core 2, its overclock ability is comparatively less. Also you have a choice of mid to high end Core 2 motherboards ranging from 10k~20k. A typical X48 based high end DDR2 ram based Core 2 mobo will set you back by about 14~15k. You can cram high end DDR2 RAM on it to its full capacity of 8GB for a mere 5k. What you are getting here is a top of the line Core 2 that matches and exceeds a Core i7 920 with a little overclocking, a feature rich high end Mobo and 8GB of high end DDR 2 RAM thats gonna last you for quite a bit.

At the present moment I don't see any reason why one should go for a Core i7 unless one doesn't want to bother with overclocking or one wants the ability to run either SLI or XFire on the same mobo.

As for the brand of mobo, which ever option you go for, both Asus and Gigabyte are good. I have used quite a number of Asus products and their quality is good, but if you have the mis-fortune to run into problems, then you have to put up the poor customer service some of the cases of which are out right horror stories. Though I never had a problem with any of the Asus product I bought, I have had personal expr with Rashi for another brand (XFX) that they cater to and believe me its really bad. I am currently on Gigabyte board and its equally good.

eyeatoma said:

I would say you should settle for at least 2~3TB. The avg size of a game these days is upwards of 5GB and can go up to 18GB. If you are into downloading movies and stuff, then you will run out of space faster than you think. I have 2.4TB of Disk space and I am already on the verge of getting another two HDD's comprising 2~3TB.

eyeatoma said:
GPU: An NVIDIA 512-1024mb card...Haven't kept up with the latest graphics cards for the last 4-5 years, so I'm not sure what would be a good mid to semi high end card. All I know is I don't want an ATI product. I would be willing to go for a 1gb gpu if it fits the budget.

The onboard memory of a Graphics card is a wrong unit of measuring a GPU's capabilities. There is no card currently that's gonna last you 4~5 years for all the games that get released in this period. Also I don't know what you have againist ATI/AMD, but they have some of the most value for money GPU's these days. Anyways, considering the other components you want to pack your PC with, I would suggest that GTX295, Radeon 4870X2 and GTX280 are good choices for you.

eyeatoma said:
Cooling fans: What kind do I need?

That depends on your cabby and your tolerance to noise. For example I have 9 x 120mm fans in my Stacker 830 (1 on Top, 2 on front for HDD cages, 3 on the side panel, 1 on the back and 2 fixed two my Ultra 120 Extreme Heat Sink cooling my CPU. This is excluding the fan in my Corair HX1000 PSU and the fans in my two HD4850 graphics cards. Two of the 120mm fans are Panafalo Ultra High speed fans rated 115CFM and the rest of are GlacialTech fans rated for 110CFM. As you can imagine, I can literally hear my PC from outside my house when its running, but I am least bothered about the noise as long as its keeping my components cool. Not everyone has such tolerances and you should choose your fans accordingly.

eyeatoma said:
Disc Drives: Dual drives...1 Blue Ray Burner and one DVD/rw

You choice.

eyeatoma said:
Sound Card: Soundblaster XiFi

Creative Soundblaster used to be the best for sound cards, but the newer cards seem to be plagued with driver problems. I am not well versed with the choices available these days, but the Asus Xonar series seems to be very preferred these days.

eyeatoma said:
Monitor: 24 inch HD LCD...Samsung? Viewsonic? Dell?

I would say stick to a 24" LCD. Though some may argue that the smaller screens with lower resolutions will allowgaming on much less costlier cards, I would maintain that you can always play the games at lower resolutions on a 24" if needed. A 24" LCD supports the 1080p HD Video resolution and the screen is large enough to enjoy games.

eyeatoma said:
Chassis: What kind of tower do I need, which are the best in India, and are they available in Chennai?

For the kind of components you are looking at, I would suggest CM690, CM HAF, CM Stacker 830, Antec 1200 as your choices.

eyeatoma said:
Mouse/Keyboard: I'll probably go for one of the logitech wireless bundles, but I've heard a lot about Razor? Are they a subsidiary of logitech, or an entirely different company? Should I just stick with what I've had experience with? (That being Logitech)?

Razor is a completely different brand and though their products are good, I think they are still a bit overpriced than what they are worth. However Logitech products too come at a premium, so pick your choice.

eyeatoma said:
Ethernet: Standard network card or maybe a wireless option if available...

Almost every motherboard has at least one Gigabit Ethernet port built in these days. My current Gigabyte X48-DQ6 has two Ethernet ports. My previous Asus P5W had two Ethernet and WiFi Access Point support built in. For WiFi you can always get an internal PCI card even if its not on board. Better still you can get a WiFi Router for like 2k. My router has WiFi and 4 Ethernet ports. You can connect your DSL modem or Ethernet based Internet connection to your Router and connect your PC directly to the router and all other devices to which need to connect wirelessly can connect to the router. This way you don't need to have a seperate WiFi card in your PC and still be able to share the Internet connection and files on your PC across a wireless network. My PS3 and my friends Mac Mini in other room used to be on the wireless network in this way. I can also Access internet while sitting outside the house using my Nokia 5800 this way.

eyeatoma said:
Media Card Reader

You can get an All-in-one external (USB) card reader for as low as 200 bucks.

Anyway in all this you have missed out one major component that's pretty commonly given very low importance. Its the PSU which drives your entire PC and has a major role in your PC's stability and reliability. Don't make any compromises here. Going by the components you are considering you will need at least a Corsair TX750.
 
Wow man, talk about a comprehensive writeup thanks due...

I've been hearing a lot of arguments from people to stick with the core2quad.

I could go for the top of the line quad, but my question is, will it be outdated after 5 years. granted pretty much every single component is outdated in 5 year, but I want this pc to last me for abotu 5-7 years. I dont' need it to play the latest games all the time, as time goes by, it should give me basic usability. I just want to be able to stretch the shelf life to the maximum, hence why i was thinking of going for the i7. If i can get well though out arguments, on why I shoudl stick with a core 2 quad, I would go for it. But like I said, I'm not gonna be buying a comp for the next 5 years, so I really want this one to last.
 
eyeatoma said:
Also, I read in some forums that there are some new games and applicatoins that only run smoothly on a core 2 quad system.

Does that mean, they won't run well on an i7? If that makes any sense. I'm fine if I dont get enhanced performance, as in the games can't take advantage of the i7's extra power, but will the games not run efficiently?

I would really appreciate an answer to this.
^^ No ! That's not how it goes :no:
i7 is obviously a lot better than the Intel Q series. So definitely they will run better on the i7. 940's once the price drops.. will pawn every proccy :hap2:
 
Lol, k thanks Sickiz...

I'm strongly considering getting the Dell S2409 with this rig.

Are there any drawbacks to the monitor. Will games play with the proper resolution on it, or will it look distorted.

I've heard nothing but great things about this lcd. Also, how will the desktop look on the monitor. Windows Vista supports the resolution right? I'm going to be going with the EVGA 260 core 216 superclocked edition, so obviously it would support HD.

If this isn't the monitor to go for, which other 24 inchers would u guys recommend? My needs are gaming, wordprocessing/browsing and watching movies... If this monitor won't make doing any of these tasks a chore, I think I've found the ideal companion to my PC.
 
Hey guys, I'm starting to get overwhelmed with all the 22 and 24 inch monitors available now...

I was thinking of going for the S2409W by Dell, but I heard that small fonts aren't very clear on it, and I'm not even sure how games look on it. Can someone give me first hand experience about this monitor. Are there comparable monitors, for similar prices, that are superior?

If I can't get a full HD 24 incher, I'm thinking about going for a 22 inch full HD, and came across this beauty, the Samsung 2233SW...How do games look on this computer, word processing, browsing, HD movies?? Are there similar monitors, with competitive prices that are also full HD? What are the pros and Cons abotu this monitor?

I would appreciate a quick response, as I'm planning on giving the downpayment for my computer this weekend, and am making a couple of final decisions at the moment. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Yeah, I saw that...He says he uses it mostly for PS3 gaming...How does it look with PC games? Also, he doesn't say much about browsing the net and what not, I'm guessing thats cuz he hasn't had much trouble...

But like I said, which would be competitive options as opposed to the S2409. I'm looking for an HD monitor...

I was also considering the Samsung Syncmaster 2233SW...Which is better, if we negate size...I'm talking about over all quality...The 2233 or the 2409?
 
I was thinking of getting Samsung 2233sw. But, seeing the review about 24 incher dell, my idea has changed!! Wow. it looks cool man!:cool2:
But, Rs.8000 extra for a 2 inch size increase is getting me confused:S . Finally it boils down to the choice u make. and b happy about it...;)
 
eyeatoma said:
Yeah, I saw that...He says he uses it mostly for PS3 gaming...How does it look with PC games? Also, he doesn't say much about browsing the net and what not, I'm guessing thats cuz he hasn't had much trouble...

But like I said, which would be competitive options as opposed to the S2409. I'm looking for an HD monitor...

I was also considering the Samsung Syncmaster 2233SW...Which is better, if we negate size...I'm talking about over all quality...The 2233 or the 2409?
I would go for what Lord Nemesis said earlier. Since its gaming we are talking about, a high end Quad core in the Q series would let u overclock till around 4Ghz. At that speed it would certainly be faster than i7 for gaming. Now talking about longevity, its not the CPU or the motherboard or the ram which will make the difference but the Graphic Card which will let you carry the system longer. For that look out for the best there is presently and go for that. 2 Options here, GTX295 and ATI 4870x2. Both are dual GPU single card. But you will have to buy them from KMD since Indian prices are simply outrageous.

For the monitor Dell S2409 is certainly one of the better LCD's out there, and you dont see about browsing and normal gaming experience in reviews because there is no problems in that front. LCD reviews look out for quality mostly in Movies and the Dell shines in that regards as well.

UPS, I dont use one hence cant comment much. My inverter is good enuf to take the load of my system in my sig. If possible go for that or look out for a suitable UPS in APC. They are the only brand of UPS which I would say decent enuf to take proper load of a high end system.
 
Hmm thanks for the tips thebanik...

This question is posed to all the posters on the forum, the more advice the better.

The ITDepot, has told me that the WD ITB caviar black is not available, in India, and the only one that can be had is the caviar green. Whats the different, besides being eco friendy. Do I need the extra power of the caviar black, which runs at 7200 rpm, how much does the caviar green run at?

I decided, to go for two seagate 500GB 7200 rpm harddisks instead. Do you guys have any other suggestions?

I might not be overclocking my system, so do I really need a corsair 1000HX?
Wouldn't a 650 or 850 be enough? Antec has some decent PSU's for a slightly cheaper price, or theres always Tagan. If you guys could give me some other options with the PSU that would be greatly appreciated as well..

The Dell S2409W is not available on the Dell website, and the salesman (manager) at the ITDEPOT can't seem to find the monitor anywhere, does anyone know the specific contact in Chennai, or a site that he can get this from. I heard some people were just calling Dell India, and ordering it by the phone. Is that the only way to go for it.

Finally, my biggest issue has been finding the OCZ 6Gb 1066 MHZ ram...Apparently its not available in India, for that matter no 1066mhz kit is available even with Corsair or Gskill. The only kits that the ITdepot was able to find for me were 1033mhz kits, for corsair/OCZ/ and Gskill... How much performance loss will I notice with a 1033mhz kit as opposed to a 1066mhz kit? Could you guys provide direct links or contacts in Chennai which stock the 1600mhz kits?

The same woudl go for the caviar black HD, which apparently can't be found anywhere in India.
Can you guys take a look at this quote, and let me know if the products are over priced...I got this from the It depot, and am still considering whether I need to cut back a little, because my budget was about a 100k to maximum 110K...

Intel core i7-920 INTEL 3 16850.00
EVGA X58 SLI EVGA 27500.00
Corsair 2* 3 GB 1333 Mhz Corsair 15600.00
seagate 500 gb WD x2 6650.00
SONY DVD -R 20X SONY 1 1265.00
Cooler master HAF 932 (Cabinet) Cooler master 9725.00
Corsair 1000HX Corsair 15150.00
DELL S2409 FULL HD (24") DELL (See above paragraph for more info, on why I couldnt get a price)
APC (UPS) BR800-IN (800 VA) APC 2 onsite 5750.00
EVGA GTX CORE260 216 55nm super clocked Edition EVGA 1 22765.00
WINDOW VISTA Business (64BIT) (OPERATING SYSTEM) Microsoft N/A 7800.00
XTERGAMER (SOUND CARD) XFI 1 6006.00

Integration 500.0
Inclusive of VAT 4%
Total Rs. 135561.00
Grand Total Rs. 135561.00

Thats way over my budget, but if those are the realistic prices, then I might just have to live with it. Am I being overcharged, or are these pretty close to market value?

I know this is a enormous post, but all the questions I've asked are pretty important, so I would appreciate it to no end, if you guys could answered them all.
 
eyeatoma said:
Hmm thanks for the tips thebanik...

This question is posed to all the posters on the forum, the more advice the better.

The ITDepot, has told me that the WD ITB caviar black is not available, in India, and the only one that can be had is the caviar green. Whats the different, besides being eco friendy. Do I need the extra power of the caviar black, which runs at 7200 rpm, how much does the caviar green run at?

I decided, to go for two seagate 500GB 7200 rpm harddisks instead. Do you guys have any other suggestions?

I might not be overclocking my system, so do I really need a corsair 1000HX?

Wouldn't a 650 or 850 be enough? Antec has some decent PSU's for a slightly cheaper price, or theres always Tagan. If you guys could give me some other options with the PSU that would be greatly appreciated as well..

The Dell S2409W is not available on the Dell website, and the salesman (manager) at the ITDEPOT can't seem to find the monitor anywhere, does anyone know the specific contact in Chennai, or a site that he can get this from. I heard some people were just calling Dell India, and ordering it by the phone. Is that the only way to go for it.

Finally, my biggest issue has been finding the OCZ 6Gb 1066 MHZ ram...Apparently its not available in India, for that matter no 1066mhz kit is available even with Corsair or Gskill. The only kits that the ITdepot was able to find for me were 1033mhz kits, for corsair/OCZ/ and Gskill... How much performance loss will I notice with a 1033mhz kit as opposed to a 1066mhz kit? Could you guys provide direct links or contacts in Chennai which stock the 1600mhz kits?

The same woudl go for the caviar black HD, which apparently can't be found anywhere in India.

Can you guys take a look at this quote, and let me know if the products are over priced...I got this from the It depot, and am still considering whether I need to cut back a little, because my budget was about a 100k to maximum 110K...

Intel core i7-920 INTEL 3 16850.00

EVGA X58 SLI EVGA 27500.00

Corsair 2* 3 GB 1333 Mhz Corsair 15600.00

seagate 500 gb WD x2 6650.00

SONY DVD -R 20X SONY 1 1265.00

Cooler master HAF 932 (Cabinet) Cooler master 9725.00

Corsair 1000HX Corsair 15150.00

DELL S2409 FULL HD (24") DELL (See above paragraph for more info, on why I couldnt get a price)

APC (UPS) BR800-IN (800 VA) APC 2 onsite 5750.00

EVGA GTX CORE260 216 55nm super clocked Edition EVGA 1 22765.00

WINDOW VISTA Business (64BIT) (OPERATING SYSTEM) Microsoft N/A 7800.00

XTERGAMER (SOUND CARD) XFI 1 6006.00



Integration 500.0

Inclusive of VAT 4%

Total Rs. 135561.00

Grand Total Rs. 135561.00

Thats way over my budget, but if those are the realistic prices, then I might just have to live with it. Am I being overcharged, or are these pretty close to market value?

I know this is a enormous post, but all the questions I've asked are pretty important, so I would appreciate it to no end, if you guys could answered them all.

The Board's really not worth it. (Point's at EVGA)

Go for the Gigabyte EX58-UD5.

Has much more to offer and is like 8k cheaper.

Compare both on their websites , and it isn't like Gigabyte isn't a good brand , it specializes in motherboards as compared to EVGA who basically deal with Video Cards.

PS - The pricing he has done is round about the same. That is what it would cost you.

Recommend cutting on the Windows Vista Business. (Continue with what you have)

Get Corsair XMS3 3GB 1333Mhz (You will save a lot more)

Chuck the sound card as of now. (We have to restrict the budget , you can always buy such stuff later on)

Get 1 x WD Caviar Black 750GB

^^ Taking that into consideration you might save a lot more.

Cheers.
 
Sorry, I posted that, before you edited it, and I don't know how to edit my posts lol...

Apparently the caviar black isn't available anywhere in India...Thats the reason I was going for the seagate x2
 
^^ You can order the Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB via KMD from Newegg.com

I might be ordering one for myself too in the near future.

The difference isn't like VERY MUCH , just minute. Couple of people i know who own a WDC Black , say it tends to make more noise as compared to the WDC Green

Basically to sum it up ,

BEST PERFORMANCE - WDC Black (32MB Cache)

MINIMAL NOISE and DECENT PERFORMANCE - WDC Green (16MB Cache)

So as per your requirements , you can get 1 x 500GB WDC Black (32MB Cache) + 1 x 640GB WDC Green (16MB Cache)

Hope this helps. :)

For an i7 rig , of course you would need atleast 800W of power supply to be on the safer side.

If the 1000HX goes a bit out of budget (and there being no other modular power supply between 600 and 1000W) , you can go with the TAGAN BZ800 800Watts Modular power supply unit , which will definitely save you bucks.

As for the RAM(s) i have mentioned in my previous post or there's another RAM which people say is good i.e Mushkin , for which i had put up a separate thread over @ TE itself. It can be found here - http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/buying-ram-how-is-mushkin-brand-127384.html

I'd recommend going with the XMS3 though. :)
 
eyeatoma said:
Whats the different, besides being eco friendy. Do I need the extra power of the caviar black, which runs at 7200 rpm, how much does the caviar green run at?

WD Green series runs at lower RPMs and has a lower cache. So in short, disadvantage is that its slower than the competition, but advantage is lower power consumption and noise is lesser

eyeatoma said:
WINDOW VISTA Business (64BIT) (OPERATING SYSTEM) Microsoft N/A 7800.00

I'm not sure if these are the OEM or retail prices. If you go for the OEM package, you'll get lower prices. Disadvantage is that OEM licences are tied to your Motherboard. So once its installed, you cannot legally install it on an another PC even if you uninstall it from your current PC.

eyeatoma said:
Thats way over my budget

Like everyone is recommending, get a Quad Core proccy with DDR2 RAM. You'll be able to slash your costs by a good amount. Although Core i7 and DDR3 will surely have better performance, its not significant enough to justify the premium. You'll be paying like 50% to 100% more for a Core i7, but I don't believe the increase in performance is like 50% more.
 
The main problem is that I don't have access to a credit card, so I won't be able to order through KMD...

Are there locally sold RAM available in Chennai or India? How much slower is the performance of the corsair 1033 mhz 3x2GB kit? Will I notice a significant performance drop?

Are the seagate barracuda 500gb's also really buggy, or are they more stable?

I still haven't heard anything about where I get get the DELL S2409W...Does anyone know direct contacts of where its locally sold? Can I buy it from Dell directly, as its mentioned on their website....Would calling them be an option?

Basically, as time is a factor, I can't really afford to go by KMD, as well as the fact that my payment options are largely limited.

So I really need alternative options for RAM/HDD that are locally available in India, but are still high quality. I'd rather not go for an green HDD, as I'm planning on doing a lot of gaming, and I hear there can be lag between .5-2 secs when the HDD is being accessed.
 
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