Indians Being Deported from USA are treated so inhumanely.
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Brothers, Bros and Bhai log, it's all pomp and show by Mr. Orange as a hard tactic for negotiations and garnering approval ratings at home. Come Ides of March and it would all be back to "normal". As for illegal migrants and migration, it continued, it continues, and will continue as long as people want to migrate and are willing to pay obscene amounts for it.
krish_puri
Beginner
blr_p
Oracle
Well, the pickup was from Amman. I don't know why ships weren't used as Jordan does have access to sea at Aquaba.
Maybe logistics & inadequate infrastructure to handle that many near the sea port so the airport was the only option.
I have relatives that made it back from that airlift. I'll ask them whenever I see them next
But the Americans are not
Non cooperation by the CCP. How typical
Tens of thousands of illegal Chinese. Wow.
Failure to cooperate by the CCP will result in no visas for China nationals wanting to visit the US.
Just for that reason we can assume GOI's full cooperation with the Americans in this matter
Not my experience in the US.
From Paks & Chinese? Yes. And they like to amplify what you said.
I would not assume anything untoward by others
GOI is acting in a reciprocal manner for how Pakistan & Bangladesh treat our nationals in their countrywould cheer(perhaps even masturbate secretly) at the news of Pakistani/Bangladeshi immigrants being physically tortured by Indian Police and Army.
Reciprocity is a standard concept in foreign relations
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cellar_door
Galvanizer
What is wrong with you people lol. Criminals should not be treated like that either. Forget illegal immigrants, most countries dont even treat violent criminals like that. And there were literal children on that plane.
"They give indians a bad name" Nah bro Indians cheering on brutal, humiliating treatment of their countrymen at the hand of xenophobic, fascist goras probably give Indians a worse name.
"They give indians a bad name" Nah bro Indians cheering on brutal, humiliating treatment of their countrymen at the hand of xenophobic, fascist goras probably give Indians a worse name.
I am surprised at the level people are going to call these ordinary people criminals... Poor fellows risking their lives ..their entire money ..leaving behind their families just for a better future is also becoming of a criminal now.
If I am correct the foreign remittance has played huge and still plays huge part in our countries economy.
And 90% are non criminals because had they done anything severe they would be serving in Guantanamo bay. Not shipped to India.
In anycase just read India has on official level asked for more humane treatment.
Exactly as it should be.The samepeople on this thread (and general India) condemning the treatment of illegal immigrants of Indian nationality being treated "inhumanly" would cheer
If your moral values do not favor your material interests, you are preparing yourself for a Darwin award.
The key is to tilt the moral landscape in your favor without raising eyebrows. Something Europeans are quite good at. We still have some way to go.
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These "poor" fellows managed to get 80L to a crore (based on that reddit post) to do dunki. Probably sold their land to some builder. If having 80L is poor, Then what do you call the rest who don't even have that amount? Below poverty line? Guess I'm bpl now. Lol.
What was the dream? Going to the US illegally, with no status to avail any benefits, health care, social security number and probably work at McDonald's, at a gas station or as an Uber, paycheck to paycheck? This is the same mindset as the "mera beta engineer" lot, even though they're unemployed.
rsaeon
Innovator
When someone is spending that much for a better life, either they're not very bright, so sympathy is warranted, or they have a very small outlook on life and its possibilities, so sympathy is warranted.
Think about it, 80 lakhs? 1 crore? These are life changing amounts of money when you invest in India. But they can't see that. To them, in their mindset, it's a chance to restart their life. It's a price.
It doesn't cost that much to immigrate illegally. A degree on paper, a falsified employment letter, a falsified bank statement, a letter from a US resident, a return ticket — all of that wouldn't even cross Rs 3 lakhs and I have known people who took this route, in recent years (after lockdown).
These people are desperate. Be thankful you've never had to experience such desperation in your life.
Anyway, I still maintain that everyone who wants to go find a new life in the west is an idiot.
Think about it, 80 lakhs? 1 crore? These are life changing amounts of money when you invest in India. But they can't see that. To them, in their mindset, it's a chance to restart their life. It's a price.
It doesn't cost that much to immigrate illegally. A degree on paper, a falsified employment letter, a falsified bank statement, a letter from a US resident, a return ticket — all of that wouldn't even cross Rs 3 lakhs and I have known people who took this route, in recent years (after lockdown).
These people are desperate. Be thankful you've never had to experience such desperation in your life.
Anyway, I still maintain that everyone who wants to go find a new life in the west is an idiot.
blr_p
Oracle
Coming in illegally means breaking the entry laws means you are a criminal. The ICE chief made this clear to journalists over a month back.
Where you are confused is the Democrats do not consider illegal immigrants as criminals for their own nefarious interests. Doesn't mean these people haven't broke the law and the law is not being enforced for political reasons.
Democrats aren't in charge anymore. So left leaning liberals need to update their definitions to the current administration
Guantanamo is for terrorists.
desiibond
Keymaster
Before you judge me, I am not a fan or that country. They did all that PR and drama (chaining etc) to send a message. You come here using illegal methods, this is how you will be sent back. There is no moral high ground to take here. People endured far worse conditions when they took donkey routes to states. Think about it this way. If people get confidence that if they enter the country illegally, they are sent back in a comfortable way, they will be more than happy to enter the country and live as long as possible before getting deported.
Our beloved Congress party making a political issue out of this is one of those things that made them sit in opposition for so long.
Our beloved Congress party making a political issue out of this is one of those things that made them sit in opposition for so long.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I think they got off easy. Instead of being jailed, or detained, they are given safe passage back. Regarding the chaining part, it's not prejudice against any particular nationality, just standard operating procedure, for safety concerns. Had this been the case in the Middle East or God forbid North Korea, things may have been a bit more dire.
My news feed is filled with sob stories on how they were deported like it was a violation of some fundamental right. Practical journalism is rare these days. "I was deported for entering illegally, and was sent back in chains." Boohoo.
My news feed is filled with sob stories on how they were deported like it was a violation of some fundamental right. Practical journalism is rare these days. "I was deported for entering illegally, and was sent back in chains." Boohoo.
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To think of.. We were sending a criminal like Warren Anderson ( Bhopal gas tragedy) on private jet, flight authorised by CM himself.
And later the Americans refused to extradite him supporting their mass murderer-criminal.
And here we Indians are justifying the "criminal like treatment" on our fellows whose only mistake was they dreamed of a better life.
And later the Americans refused to extradite him supporting their mass murderer-criminal.
And here we Indians are justifying the "criminal like treatment" on our fellows whose only mistake was they dreamed of a better life.
desiibond
Keymaster
Are we supporting what government did in Bhopal tragedy? No.
Two wrongs does not make a right.
Dreaming for better life and breaking the law are two very different things. One paid 42 lakh rupees for donkey route. Bugger would have purchased agricultural land and do farming. 42 lakhs is a solid amount of money to be self employed in here and you dont have to hide and move.
Two wrongs does not make a right.
Dreaming for better life and breaking the law are two very different things. One paid 42 lakh rupees for donkey route. Bugger would have purchased agricultural land and do farming. 42 lakhs is a solid amount of money to be self employed in here and you dont have to hide and move.
mayank11280
Forerunner
Someone above said: "two wrongs don't make a right" in context of Bhopal gas tragedy criminal being given luxurious treatment. A bit of critical self-awareness for us all will go a long way.
No "human" should be treated the way these illegal migrants have been treated. What they did was wrong. But the way they were treated was also wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
On another note, we Indians really hate Indians. We just try to find creative ways to hate others: region, religion, language, caste, class, gender; in this case the tag of "Criminal" comes in very handy.
If a white man had overstayed his Visa permit in India and we had chained him up and sent him in military plane for theatrics, the same people justifying the inhumane treatment of fellow Indians caught up in the wrong would argue for the white man and against the state action. Let's be objective: two wrongs don't make a right.
I think, illegal immigrants should be treated with human dignity. These people were given no bathroom breaks. Tied up through out the journey. Even POWs are accorded more dignity as per the Geneva Convention than what these people got.
To sum up:
1. Illegal immigrants must be deported.
2. Historically they have been deported via regular flights. Even Biden deported over 200,000 people.
3. The price of deportation through military plane, all chained up was 5 times more than regular flights. So, that doesn't make any economic sense. It also violates many of the human rights conventions, even Geneva convention doesn't allow such treatment.
4. These theatrics were done to create spectacle of cracking down hard on illegal immigration.
5. Other nations like Colombia refused to take back citizens if sent via military plane and chained up, though their citizens were in the wrong. India should have stood for its citizens too.
6. We Indians need to have self-respect. No country (until now) except India accepted such humiliating treatment.
7. Two wrongs don't make a right.
No "human" should be treated the way these illegal migrants have been treated. What they did was wrong. But the way they were treated was also wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
On another note, we Indians really hate Indians. We just try to find creative ways to hate others: region, religion, language, caste, class, gender; in this case the tag of "Criminal" comes in very handy.
If a white man had overstayed his Visa permit in India and we had chained him up and sent him in military plane for theatrics, the same people justifying the inhumane treatment of fellow Indians caught up in the wrong would argue for the white man and against the state action. Let's be objective: two wrongs don't make a right.
I think, illegal immigrants should be treated with human dignity. These people were given no bathroom breaks. Tied up through out the journey. Even POWs are accorded more dignity as per the Geneva Convention than what these people got.
To sum up:
1. Illegal immigrants must be deported.
2. Historically they have been deported via regular flights. Even Biden deported over 200,000 people.
3. The price of deportation through military plane, all chained up was 5 times more than regular flights. So, that doesn't make any economic sense. It also violates many of the human rights conventions, even Geneva convention doesn't allow such treatment.
4. These theatrics were done to create spectacle of cracking down hard on illegal immigration.
5. Other nations like Colombia refused to take back citizens if sent via military plane and chained up, though their citizens were in the wrong. India should have stood for its citizens too.
6. We Indians need to have self-respect. No country (until now) except India accepted such humiliating treatment.
7. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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buzz88
Galvanizer
A much saner take in a thread filled with overreaction and self-hatred. One can identify easily who amongst us would vote for republican fascists given the chance.
I have no sympathy for those breaking the law and taking the illegal route to immigrate. They must be deported and punished for any lawbreaking within the legal framework decided by each country. At the same time, even criminals need to be treated humanely. They shouldn't be treated like terrorists and shouldn't be tortured. This isn't that hard to understand.
desiibond
Keymaster
1. We Indians must learn not to blindly believe in whatever the masala media says.
2. We Indians must learn not to act like armchair pundits in things that we have zero knowledge of.
3. We Indians must first understand what SoPs are before getting too emotional.
4. We Indians must know that theatrics are done because people like us get emotional. Americans love drama, just like Indians. Trump has been shouting on top of his lungs that he will do this. People did not care.
5. This should not happen again? Solution is simple. Do not enter a country without valid visa, do not over extend. It is 'that simple'.
Those who are giving Columbian example of standing up. Well, that went well for Columbia right?
People who have zero idea on geo-politics must stop trying to give gyaan. Every single person who is talking about humanity would have made atleast one other person feel bad or act in a way that is inhuman. The funny thing is that we won't even know that we did this. A simple example is making someone of low income or worker sit on the floor of your house or making that person stand outside. Do you stand up to your parents or relatives and make a worker or daily wager sit next to them? So, please stop this lesson and gyaan on humanity blah blah.
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CasualGamer91
Explorer