Market Feedback Issue with member uziel
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ankxxs said:
Now that is the most productive post in this whole thread. its a extremely fair solution.
@uziel, u should consider this mate. I sympathize for ur condition and i dont want see anyone to call a person in that condn anything negative. no money is worth that. provided @op agrees to that.
Many te members have taken a lot of advantage from guys like us who are very gullible
sadly i've still yet to sell something at I good price. I sold my stuff at dead cheap rate to a te member through pm.thought the guy needs it and theres nothing better than helping some one in the community. This same guy acted as if he had not heard of me a week after the sale.and tried to sell me a processor at a hugh rate to me even thought I had helped him out
felt bad wanted just a fare price.
sadly i've still yet to sell something at I good price. I sold my stuff at dead cheap rate to a te member through pm.thought the guy needs it and theres nothing better than helping some one in the community. This same guy acted as if he had not heard of me a week after the sale.and tried to sell me a processor at a hugh rate to me even thought I had helped him out felt bad wanted just a fare price.
shravank30
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If I go by Uziels reasoning, I am selling a Motherboard in which PCIe slot may not be working.
So when a buyer comes, should i again remind him about the same or should i just presume that he has read it & go ahead with the deal?
I put the PCIe slot not working in bold letters so that the buyer knows exactly what he is buying.
in fact i got a call from a local buyer yesterday who was ready to buy the combo immediately, but before discussing the price, I asked him that was he aware that the PCIe slot may not be working in the mobo & he may have to use it with the onboard graphics only, in case after cleaning the pci-e slot does not work.
He had probably missed the comment , as he just read the heading & found the deal extremely attractive & in his enthusiasm to close the deal & rang me up to finalise.
If i would not have reminded him & gone ahead with the deal, no member including the buyer could have blamed me later as i had already written clearly in my post about the defect & if he did not read it, it was his fault not mine by any standard.
Yet i chose to inform him again in person & in the process may have lost a local buyer but my conscience is clear that i did not take advantage of anyones ignorance or enthusiasm.
It pays in the long run to be honest in your deals especially when you are selling on trust among fellow members more as a hobby then as a business.
If i cheat today, I have no doubt, i will be paid back in the same coin tomorrow by someone else.
At least thats my philosophy. Each to his own.
So when a buyer comes, should i again remind him about the same or should i just presume that he has read it & go ahead with the deal?
I put the PCIe slot not working in bold letters so that the buyer knows exactly what he is buying.
in fact i got a call from a local buyer yesterday who was ready to buy the combo immediately, but before discussing the price, I asked him that was he aware that the PCIe slot may not be working in the mobo & he may have to use it with the onboard graphics only, in case after cleaning the pci-e slot does not work.
He had probably missed the comment , as he just read the heading & found the deal extremely attractive & in his enthusiasm to close the deal & rang me up to finalise.
If i would not have reminded him & gone ahead with the deal, no member including the buyer could have blamed me later as i had already written clearly in my post about the defect & if he did not read it, it was his fault not mine by any standard.
Yet i chose to inform him again in person & in the process may have lost a local buyer but my conscience is clear that i did not take advantage of anyones ignorance or enthusiasm.
It pays in the long run to be honest in your deals especially when you are selling on trust among fellow members more as a hobby then as a business.
If i cheat today, I have no doubt, i will be paid back in the same coin tomorrow by someone else.
At least thats my philosophy. Each to his own.
uziel said:
Ok, let me put things in perspective. Suppose I am not a techie user and I ordered a HD5870 from a dealer. He cheats me and gives a old low end card that doesn't even work in all systems. Later I want to sell the card and put up a sale thread listing a HD5870 for 20k and put a link to its specs from the ATi site. You want to buy it and you read reviews and what not for 5870 and you pay me the money, I send you the item that I have and you realize that its not what you have read about or expected. Just tell me what would you do at this point? Just accept the point that you did not do any research or blame the the seller for misleading you. The seller tells you that he does not himself know that much about the product that he sold and expects you to do your research even it was he himself that mislead the buyer. What would you expect from the seller to do? You would obviously blame him for duping you with the wrong product and ask the seller for your money back. It does not matter to you if the seller was unaware that what he is selling is not the same as the product link he posted. What matters is you at that point is that the seller tried to dupe you intentionally or unintentionally. Even the seller were really unaware of the fact, any self respecting and honest person would return the money back to the buyer out of good will. In fact anyone with at least an iota of shame would refund the money. If this were happening on commercial online site. It does not matter whether they have a no returns policy. It would be plain case of fraud.
In any case, At least I am myself not expecting any more than these kind of silly and weak justifications from you for the fraud you committed. The fact of the matter is you already knew that the product was different from the retail version when you made that review and you still choose to mislead the the potential buyers by linking to the retail product and not mentioning anywhere that its an OEM version nor that it has restrictions in your sale thread. The way I see it, there was a deliberate intention of fraud right from the moment the sale thread was created.
You cannot claim ignorance to get out of responsibility here since even if its unintentional, the end result was that the buyer ended up getting some thing very different from what he promised by your sale thread. The question of warranty and return policy does not arise in this context at all. You are free to have a no return policy, but it does not mean that you can dupe a buyer by listing an incorrect product (intensional or unintentionally) and then use that as an excuse.
If your intentions were really honest and its just a case of unintentional fraud, you would have refunded the money to the buyer by now.
shravank30 said:
both are different.
May not be working = you do not have resources to test the board and PCIe slot.
it is a comment from your side.
where as.. having 'PCIe slot not working in bold letters' is a strong statement and confirms that you have tested its condition.
in case of this deal.. the seller clearly expressed that he does not know if FM works.. a person putting up a review about the same product..who as well mentioned in depth about the same product would not say something like that...he clearly mislead his sale. he made a mistake buying the product himself in the 1st place (clearly that is what he means from why he posted those reviews) and now just doing the same to the next person.
it is like creating a matrimonial profile for your wife and stating that she may not be a female...(but also diverting to her improper birth certificate to prove the gender) and then expecting the bridegroom to figure out what you already know ..that too after marriage... now people are suggesting that bridegroom shall accept the marriage with some compensation..but who is going to consider that he is not gay at all ??!!
IMO the seller has an obligation to refund the payment if he receives his product back in the same condition he shipped it in. If there are no mods/experiments done on the product and it is in the exact same working condition, then it is moral duty to offer a refund ( buyer and seller may decide to share shipping costs etc )
However, a buyer should also ask all questions and get satisfactory answers. If there is any hint of fraud just walk away. Good deals will come and go
However, a buyer should also ask all questions and get satisfactory answers. If there is any hint of fraud just walk away. Good deals will come and go
^^ just posted what I understood from this thread. In one place he claims he has terminal illness. Then he claims his father is seriously ill. He claims he hasn't tested FM but infact he knew FM doesn't work. He chooses to ignore the thread for so long and then posts such a useless reply. I say, let him drink is cocktail 
There is no point to this thread. We cannot force someone to do the right thing
There is no point to this thread. We cannot force someone to do the right thing
freshseasons1
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What ever happens yaar the seller should refund the money and take back the product unquestioned.Thats IT!!!!!
Infact lot depends on this thread ,what role the admins and mods and members take here.
See frankly we cannot let TE become dumping ground for people to sell of their stuff to unsuspecting or un-knowledgeable people.
This forum should be and is for people to sell their used stuff to fellow members who kind of need it or exchange it.For people eying meaty profit go to Ebay where buyers always has the last right.He may refuse the product ,or not acknowledge its receipt. Infact all forums and sites should be buyer centric like ebay.Its natural sense of justice.
The role should be strictly clear.
The Buyer always always and always have the right to refuse to accept the product
I propose a flat rule.The buyer gets to refuse the product unquestioned within 2 days of delivery
Other thing i call for is banning the Seller right away.Its pathetic and against right of justice that the buyer has to literally beg his innocence and and show how he was mercilessly cheated.
Infact lot depends on this thread ,what role the admins and mods and members take here.
See frankly we cannot let TE become dumping ground for people to sell of their stuff to unsuspecting or un-knowledgeable people.
This forum should be and is for people to sell their used stuff to fellow members who kind of need it or exchange it.For people eying meaty profit go to Ebay where buyers always has the last right.He may refuse the product ,or not acknowledge its receipt. Infact all forums and sites should be buyer centric like ebay.Its natural sense of justice.
The role should be strictly clear.
The Buyer always always and always have the right to refuse to accept the product
I propose a flat rule.The buyer gets to refuse the product unquestioned within 2 days of delivery
Other thing i call for is banning the Seller right away.Its pathetic and against right of justice that the buyer has to literally beg his innocence and and show how he was mercilessly cheated.
freshseasons1 said:
I don't agree with you. There are many people who don't follow instructions, deliberately try out stunts/experiments etc and then claim a refund from the seller. It is important for both parties to feel comfortable. What if a buyer buys a phone, and while updating firmware it crashes. Then he claims the seller shipped it that way ? Or what if a proccy is sold, ( those tri core AMDs ) which overheats while unlocking cores/overclocking etc. The seller is responsible only till the product is in original condition. Then, it should be a full refund minus shipping charges etc. If a seller has reason to believe the product failed due to buyer negligence then it is not the seller's fault and he shouldn't be bothered about it
My 2c
Think about it.
I will cite my case. Recently, I sold a phone here @TE. I mentioned in listing that GSM is locked. Whenever I got any pm/query/call about the phone, the first thing I did was to mention that GSM is locked. If despite this the buyer purchases it, and screws up while unlocking gsm, then it is none of my concern. I will support a product AS SOLD.
I hope you understand my addition to your rule.
@ Mods : Please make it mandatory for a seller to offer a refund policy for genuine complaints.
freshseasons1 said:
A buyer has no such rights as long as the seller keeps his end of the bargain. Sales happen according to the terms of the seller and If the seller mentions a no return policy then the buyer has to buy at his own discretion. However whats not morally acceptable is the seller misusing that freedom to lay down his rules as a loophole to dupe someone (like in this case).
As for people discussing his illness, its not really our place to judge whether its true or not considering it has absolutely nothing to do with the problem in question. His illness is his personal matter and has nothing to do with his obligations to the buyer. Only the buyer decides whether he wants to make allowances for that reason.
man.... what a thread............
I have always hesitated to buy stuffs from TE,but seeing the care and responsibility shown by the members and mods u will see me often in market section
TE = Techies + Friends + Trust :hap2:
Good Work Mods and Other members
I have always hesitated to buy stuffs from TE,but seeing the care and responsibility shown by the members and mods u will see me often in market section
TE = Techies + Friends + Trust :hap2:
Good Work Mods and Other members
BIKeINSTEIN
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freshseasons1 said:
:hap5:
You may say-
The Buyer always, always and always has the right to refuse to accept the product (and demand a refund if he/she can prove the seller lied, product is not as declared or faulty, etc)
The Buyer always, always and always has the right to refuse to buy the product (he/she may not find suitable or the product info/seller suspicious/dubious, etc etc)
The Buyer always, always and always has the right to ask as many questions or request for screenies/pictures/proof of contact info/etc as he/she likes before buying the product.
Coz there are those too who buy, find everything ok and happily use for sometime and then decide they want to return it. :rofl:
(And if the seller was cool enough to hand over the goods without accepting payment trusting the other person to pay soon, they get all the more screwed.
)
freshseasons1 said:
Considering this sale in particular.. Would like to ask you-
Have you been living under a rock all this one year that you been a member here..??
Or
I think that comment of yours will prolly serve as a warning to others that it might not be safe strike a deal with you as you might adhere to this perception yourself.
TE doesnt goes like your local fish market. Sadly that's what few of the disputed deals offlate has been trying to turn TE's mkt section into.
Thanks to the active interest from members like LN and Bikey etc things should be turning for the better.
Coming back to the topic.. +1 to refunding of payment.
Seller should not take this as something personal. If a mistake/misunderstanding has marred a deal, then things should be resolved by an amicable discussion and i think that the discussion has been going in only one direction.
freshseasons1
Contributor
Thats what i basically mean Techenclave is not a local fish market
Its more of a synchrony between 2 members who trust eachother on a similar platform .
Thats why i keep hampering ,first know the real motive of the market section and its reason to exist.
And agree it or not,the market is always buyer oriented and favoring buyer. Don't need to go further check Ebay and or any other online sale site.TE should be way above Ebay,.
:hap2: I have never in my dealings returned any product to member here nor have even asked anyone to take it back.
I have received Dead on Arrival Xbox 360 andsome damaged speakers from the forum,sometimes dead processor,but i didint even ask the seller for refund or anything.
Know why, you will need to search the reason these forums existence.Its for mutual trust and understanding amongst members and it takes time and patience.
Its more of a synchrony between 2 members who trust eachother on a similar platform .
Thats why i keep hampering ,first know the real motive of the market section and its reason to exist.
And agree it or not,the market is always buyer oriented and favoring buyer. Don't need to go further check Ebay and or any other online sale site.TE should be way above Ebay,.
Spacescreamer said:
:hap2: I have never in my dealings returned any product to member here nor have even asked anyone to take it back.
I have received Dead on Arrival Xbox 360 andsome damaged speakers from the forum,sometimes dead processor,but i didint even ask the seller for refund or anything.
Know why, you will need to search the reason these forums existence.Its for mutual trust and understanding amongst members and it takes time and patience.
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