Just received a warning mail from SONY!!!!!!

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hellgate said:
The mail that i got today morning from SONY, just shocked me!!!!!
It was a warning mail stating that I have been found using circumvented software on my PS3 and that i should immediatly stop using such software, lese I will be banned from accessing PSN (and i think maybe my console will be flagged and my warranty will also become void.

The reason why i got this email is cuz i had access PSN with CFW 3.55. :(
Hey dude, any specific reason you have your E-mail address as v_2, mine is v_9 lol
 
jojothedragon said:
^ please elaborate the point 4.
Help home brew and other innovations on its platform.

Lower rates of games.

Look out for the interest of the buyers and not just itself.

Stop being a bully.
 
comp@ddict said:
^^ lol

you really think sony sells at a loss?

just by reading some reports?

you seriously don't know economics do you.
what loss?
Your comprehension is poor it seems?
I did not say anything about profit loss.

PArty Monger replies something i guess just before this post.
read it, it has nothing to do with loss or apparently so called economics.

kthx
 
^^Oh in that case, I apologize for my reply.
But members should learn to quote properly when replying.
 
^yeah, I was confused at first sight too. Thats definitely not the right way to refer to posts:hap5::no:
 
comp@ddict said:
^^ lol

you really think sony sells at a loss?

just by reading some reports?

you seriously don't know economics do you.
LOL. You seriously don't read annual reports do you? Sony is not just a company.. it is a MN conglomerate. Things will not always be the way you said.. most of the Conglomerates will even choose short term loss if they believe that there will be profits in long term. For many reasons like keeping the brand value on, maintaining current customer base, etc. . Billions of yens were transferred from sony's other branches (Electronics, Movies, etc) to Computer Entertainment for 2 straight years, so that people can get PS3 at a lower price. This is not only evident from the Annual reports, but many private research companies' reports stated a hands down statement " Sony is loosing at least 200$ for every ps3 sold" I still remember those figures that i read in 2006.

PS3 20GB - Estimated manufacturing cost= $806 - Retail Price= $499

Xbox 360 - Estimated Manufacturing cost= $323 - Retail Price= $399. Do your math.

This was because high prices of Bluray diodes, High manufacturing costs of Cell Broadband Engine(90mm), etc..etc.

Lets assume that the survey reports are fake. But, there is this thing called annual reports.. in which lying is a serious federal crime in almost all the countries that the Sony is registered in,

I can't fetch you the annual report files now(too lazy), but..Google Sony's Fiscal year reports of 2006-2007, 2007-2008. You'll know the reason why there are die hard fans of Sony.
 
No need to summon the arithmetic skills needlessly.

The die hard fans shd also try not to be lazy and shd read statements issued by them from time to time.. that since the introduction of Slim ps3, Sony has been making profits on hardware sales of ps3 consoles. That is the official statement by Sony.

The earlier losses was compensated by the premium charges of the games earlier. They havent dropped the prices of games in any manner.
 
PS3 20GB - Estimated manufacturing cost= $806 - Retail Price= $499

Dude that's the original PS3.

If u "REMEMBER", u mentioned SONY is selling the PS3 SLIM at a loss, which is incorrect.

Yes the original PS3 in 2006, even the 65nm shrink 1 and half years later, both were at a loss...
When u said PS3 slim sells at a loss, that would pretty much blow up Sony's selling streak. I mean if there's even 1 MBA in their company, he would have stopped sale of the PS3.

If you look at this way, SONY EARNS from THE GAMES BEING SOLD. It's like SUBSIDIES, same as Indian Farmers get. Same as US carriers give.

So even if they sell the product at a loss in manufacturing, the earning they are actually making per PS3 is much more, so net = profit.

If they wouldn't have earned a net profit per PS3 sold, they would have production and sale(been forced too) as a company needs "Normal profits" to continue production, else it simply shuts down, or takes measures.
 
Spacescreamer said:
No need to summon the arithmetic skills needlessly.

The die hard fans shd also try not to be lazy and shd read statements issued by them from time to time.. that since the introduction of Slim ps3, Sony has been making profits on hardware sales of ps3 consoles. That is the official statement by Sony.

The earlier losses was compensated by the premium charges of the games earlier. They havent dropped the prices of games in any manner.
Oh.. yea... I do. I really do. Sony was still making loss when they introduced Slim PS3. Again, i can't fetch you the article (Too lazy. Google yourself)... Sony's Kaz Hirai (Skinny dude), stated "If you are talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is. Yes." Which sums up.. they are still making loss on PS3 hardware but other SCE elements(software sales, Accessories, etc), are compensating the loss. Which will explain everything why Sony is going bat crap crazy about this security bypass things. With 0% piracy rate, Sony use to earn a bit. Thats the reason, why Sony is taking this seriously.

@@ddict, Did i even mention the word "Slim" anywhere in my previous post? Ok.. I'm doing it now. Sony was still loosing money, even after the introduction of Slim. But it made profit despite of the these loss, as the price they were loosing is considerably low.. May be 30-40$, which was compensated by the title sales. Even from the launch day title sales are what making Sony profits. Unlike Xbox, Wii. So, what should we expect? To be greeted with a cup of tea when there is a potential threat to the promising revenue they are making?

I'm not a Anti-piracy guy or something. But we can't blame Sony for making that decision.
 
vamsi_krishna said:
LOL. You seriously don't read annual reports do you? Sony is not just a company.. it is a MN conglomerate. Things will not always be the way you said.. most of the Conglomerates will even choose short term loss if they believe that there will be profits in long term. For many reasons like keeping the brand value on, maintaining current customer base, etc. . Billions of yens were transferred from sony's other branches (Electronics, Movies, etc) to Computer Entertainment for 2 straight years, so that people can get PS3 at a lower price. This is not only evident from the Annual reports, but many private research companies' reports stated a hands down statement " Sony is loosing at least 200$ for every ps3 sold" I still remember those figures that i read in 2006.

PS3 20GB - Estimated manufacturing cost= $806 - Retail Price= $499

Xbox 360 - Estimated Manufacturing cost= $323 - Retail Price= $399. Do your math.

This was because high prices of Bluray diodes, High manufacturing costs of Cell Broadband Engine(90mm), etc..etc.

Lets assume that the survey reports are fake. But, there is this thing called annual reports.. in which lying is a serious federal crime in almost all the countries that the Sony is registered in,

I can't fetch you the annual report files now(too lazy), but..Google Sony's Fiscal year reports of 2006-2007, 2007-2008. You'll know the reason why there are die hard fans of Sony.
Yeah thats right. They were making losses initially. That was part of their strategy.
 
pranaywhiz said:
^ I think he was referring to lolflakes post that was quoted in your last post.
blufox said:
^^Oh in that case, I apologize for my reply.

But members should learn to quote properly when replying.
There you go, and I didn't quote, you quoted.

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vamsi_krishna said:
@@ddict, Did i even mention the word "Slim" anywhere in my previous post? Ok.. I'm doing it now. Sony was still loosing money, even after the introduction of Slim.
I wasn't talking to you, I was attacking lolflakes, let me attack him in peace.

But now that you mention it, yeah u're right about slim and games covering up costs.
 
Party Monger said:
1) A person has the right to run what ever software he wants as long as its not intellectual property illegally acquired. HE OWN THE HARDWARE. Sony is like an automobile company dictating which companies Petrol I should fill in my vehicle. Its nonsense.

The customers own only the hardware, the IPR to any of the software and firmware still belong to Sony and they are just granting you a license to use it as it is in the original form. Modifying, distributing or using a modified firmware counts as a violation of their IPR and hence illegal. They have every right to protect their IPR by what ever means necessary.

Party Monger said:
2) Sony should be sued for deliberately trying to break compatibility with softwares, using their firmwares.

They have every right to do so and if you have already agreed to their terms by opening the seal on your PS3 after purchase. People who do not want to comply with the same have the option to not buy.

Party Monger said:
3) Sony should stop over pricing their games. We understand that games take money for developing but what sony asks for is a very very high premium. Perhaps an audit of expenses should be done and the govt should see to it that the prices are regulated. :@ Because piracy is a direct result of the overtly high premium these companies demand for the games.

Reducing prices will not stop piracy. it will not even reduce piracy in the same proportion as the prices. you already see how PC games sell for peanuts and people would still rather pirate a 15GB game that sells for 400/- than buy it. Where is the incentive for them to reduce the prices?

Party Monger said:
4) Lastly, They should stop trolling and join hands with users instead of going after their asses. Cause if they dont, someone else will. Wii is already kicking sony's ass left, right and centre.
Despite its release date, Wii is old gen tech like PS2 and you should already know that Wii is nowhere close to PS2. If you want to pirate, its fine, but at least don't blame Sony for trying to protect their IP. They are only doing what they have every right to do.
 
vamsi_krishna said:
Oh.. yea... I do. I really do. Sony was still making loss when they introduced Slim PS3. Again, i can't fetch you the article (Too lazy. Google yourself)...

I am not one bit interested in going for a wild goose chase. If you have stated something, then provide the links as well.

And you believe the 'skinny dude' from Sony ? Well i was 20 yr old once myself.. but not this 20.

Lord Nemesis said:
They have every right to do so and if you have already agreed to their terms by opening the seal on your PS3 after purchase. People who do not want to comply with the same have the option to not buy.

Btw.. i was thinking.. what if i borrow a ps3 from a friend and then jb it.

He remains the owner and the original party who broke the seal .. :wink wink:

j/k
 
Lord Nemesis said:
The customers own only the hardware, the IPR to any of the software and firmware still belong to Sony and they are just granting you a license to use it as it is in the original form. Modifying, distributing or using a modified firmware counts as a violation of their IPR and hence illegal. They have every right to protect their IPR by what ever means necessary.

Yes they own the hardware and they have every right to run what ever software they want on it. If the console came with a platform to facilitate games(which obviously is bundled cause its a GAMING console) the user has every right to use that platform for running the software he wants. Sony can not sell a hardware and say use it only for gaming.



They have every right to do so and if you have already agreed to their terms by opening the seal on your PS3 after purchase. People who do not want to comply with the same have the option to not buy.

LOL Do they have the right to kill me if their terms of use indicate that they have the right to kill me if open their seal? Obviously Sony can write any shit they want to in the terms, only the reasonable and lawful part can be enforced. Its one thing to not aide in making programs compatible, and another to deliberately break promised/existing features.



Reducing prices will not stop piracy. it will not even reduce piracy in the same proportion as the prices. you already see how PC games sell for peanuts and people would still rather pirate a 15GB game that sells for 400/- than buy it. Where is the incentive for them to reduce the prices?

You dont understand how piracy works, the people who you mention are those who wouldnt play the game if they didnt have the choice to pirate it. Its similar to how people wouldnt watch as many movies if they didnt have the option to pirate them.

So the people u mention cant be counted in the cycle.

The main reason piracy exists is cause of the exorbitant rates that are charged. Make the rates reasonable and get a delivery medium just as easy as pirating a game /movie, and you will see people buying it!

Dont expect me to go throught the hassle of finding a dealer, contacting, ordering, transferring money, waiting for the game to arrive, courier hassles, and finally getting the game. Any one would chose to simply put it in his download que and play the game a day later!

Despite its release date, Wii is old gen tech like PS2 and you should already know that Wii is nowhere close to PS2. If you want to pirate, its fine, but at least don't blame Sony for trying to protect their IP. They are only doing what they have every right to do.



Really, why count the trees when the fruit is sweet? What it lacked in tech it made up in innovation! Just cause the tech used is not as good as PS3 you cant underrate it! I mean even when you are comparing you are comparing just the PROCESSING power, what about the motion sensors and all they used in the WII way before the PS3 even released (and dont even mention MOVE releasing almost half a decade after Wii)!

Consider the whole package, not just the processing power. Also, we are taking about a gaming console, not the gaming console with most processing power. Ultimate aim is to see what makes gaming more fun. Justifying by judging on all the wrong parameters is stupid.

Lastly, no I dont want to pirate a game, but I dont want to pay for shit and neither for over priced games. Sony has to be reasonable else people will, for the lack of a better word, ass **** it. And be justified both lawfully and logically in doing so.

Also if you believe Sony was losing money on PS3's just cause they said so, you are simply naive.

This is not how business is done. They will always manipulate you into thinking you are getting a good deal.
 
Spacescreamer said:
Btw.. i was thinking.. what if i borrow a ps3 from a friend and then jb it.
He remains the owner and the original party who broke the seal .. :wink wink:

j/k
BTW do u have some1 particular in mind ;)
 
The main reason piracy exists is cause of the exorbitant rates that are charged. Make the rates reasonable and get a delivery medium just as easy as pirating a game /movie, and you will see people buying it!

Dont expect me to go throught the hassle of finding a dealer, contacting, ordering, transferring money, waiting for the game to arrive, courier hassles, and finally getting the game. Any one would chose to simply put it in his download que and play the game a day later!

Lastly, no I dont want to pirate a game, but I dont want to pay for shit and neither for over priced games. Sony has to be reasonable else people will, for the lack of a better word, ass **** it. And be justified both lawfully and logically in doing so.

In short what you wanted to say is to damn with the Publishing Houses and Game Developers I WOULD PLAY PIRATED GAMES ONLY right?

Well about your reason for not standing in line on store, looking for dealer, courier etc. you should know that almost all Publishers now provide the Digital Download feature which you can PAY and use but only If you wanna Pay

Moreover about reducing the price it may go down in future if Publishers go 100% Digital that would save em the burning/logistics costs by far.
 
Spacescreamer said:
I am not one bit interested in going for a wild goose chase. If you have stated something, then provide the links as well.
And you believe the 'skinny dude' from Sony ? Well i was 20 yr old once myself.. but not this 20.
Btw.. i was thinking.. what if i borrow a ps3 from a friend and then jb it.
He remains the owner and the original party who broke the seal .. :wink wink:

j/k

Ok fine.. looked it,

Sony boss reveals plans for PlayStation - Times Online

And yes.. I do believe in skinny dude. No one claims that they are doing a bad sale for fun or to gain sympathy.. as it will affect the market situations and the firm's reliability in Stock Holders.

Nice thinking about the borrow thing...

You just borrowed it. Sony can't hold you responsible. But they can hold "him" as responsible (As he is still the legal owner). And according the Indian Rental Act, "He" has the power to hold you responsible. In any case.. They will ban "his" console, which ultimately means, the thing in your hands :( :(

Damn it. this is a good idea. Should find "he" :wink:
 
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