Just received a warning mail from SONY!!!!!!

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i was just wondering about it (so written this post) that we are not to allowed to talk about piracy here, in the forums.. but installing jailbreaks and cfw have been termed as legitimate because we can install homebrews and custom-made apps on it by doing it, though if you start asking for links for games, that is not allowed on our forum, but you can sell/buy those jailbreak chips in the market section..

now i'm pretty sure that almost 90% of those who have got cfws and jb drives must not be using there console for only homebrews but also for downloading iso's, and then people start a debate on what should a person be doing and blah blah blah..

also, anyone asks for "where to mod 360 in *** state", that is considered perfectly legal, but then again you can't tell him publicly from where to download iso's but at the same time, you can guide him on abgx patching, now can anyone tell me if we can use homebrews on our 360's too.?? plz don't say that a legitimate user should have the choice of backing up his/her own games coz this thing applies with the ps3 games too..

on the issue of pirating games, i just wanna add up that there is an issue of money too, every school/college cannot go and spend a hefty amount of his pmoney on games and neither it's feasible for him, i'll certainly be more happy buying all the games that i want to play once i start earning and seriously want everyone to not tell other what/how he should be living his/her own life.. gaming isn't the only thing that is suffering from this bug, most of us members must be having or have dealt in hundreds of Mbytes, a number of movies and tv shows which should have been bought legally by us instead of pirating, but would we? even if we've got an option of buying those discs or better, we may have ignored that particular show or movie..

i know, i've scrambled up my post above but plz bear with me

PS: can anyone tell me if after installing cfw and not going online, one can stall his ban if before connecting to psn, he again install the ofw..?
 
Is playing games a compulsion or a necessity like food or water?

iPhone is priced 3 times the US price in India, will you steal it if you can't buy it?
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how the hell did you make such stupid relations, between what i said about gaming and stealing, you really dumb or what?
 
For people here justifying piracy:

Piracy is hurting game industry, the reason Ubisoft has gone into to DRM overdrive and Rockstar not releasing L.A. Noire and RDR on PC. Last year, around 4 million copies of Black Ops, ME 2 and Mafia 2 were pirated on PC only. Black Ops sold shitloads on console so PC sales don't matter. Mafia 2 didn't even recovered the production cost while an excellent game like ME 2 sold only 2 million copies on Xbox and PC. RDR and AC : B released only on consoles and sold around 6 million copies.

The share of PC gaming is now just 21% percent of the revenue for Game companies. Also the quality of PC games has gone downhill.

Nice article on piracy:
And you wonder why developers 'hate' PC gamers ... - Destructoid
Piracy has its consequences :
The Boy Who Stole Half-Life 2 Article - Page 1 | Eurogamer.net
 
sharktale1212 said:
^ To install homebrew on Xbox360 u need to get it Jtagged. Only possible on select consoles.
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yeah, that's what i meant.. considering, that 360's are mostly modded for playing backups, we can discuss about it and help others but just cannot direct him to the game iso's coz that'll be called but piracy but modding his xbox won't which even microsoft cansiders seriously and ban every console with a modded fw, people should avoid being moral police, if you want some change, make that change with you but don't dump your philosophies on other people..

and thanx for clearing my doubt @sharktale
 
You guys are naive if you think sony dint want this JB to happen. Sony wants it, Sony needs it. Yeah, developers might lose a little initially, but the console sales and the future game sales will bring them right back up. PS2 modded towards its end of lifecycle, PS3 modded after 4/5 years of its release. Everything is just marketing and business strategy.

IBM sold its entire hardware business to lenovo just to take HP down. Do you think they sold their HW business bcs they couldnt compete, hell no. They gave it up so they could cripple HP, taking down their main competitor was the main objective, even if that meant, they will incurr some loses. And let me remind you, when they sold their business to lenovo, lonovo was not the highest bidder, they were the lowest bidder. Meaning they sold it not for a profit, they sold it bcs they had to lose some to gain a lot.

PC games are an entirely different thing, bcs most of the PC gamers are casual gamers (Not talking about graphics freaks with uber coll PCs). Hence obviously they are not the main markets. Its just the same.

Sony is just paying dirty to get to MS. All those who were prefering xbox bcs it could be modded will buy PS3 bcs it is a lot easier to mod this one. They are loosing some initial revenue to gain customer base and potential future market.

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PS: I am not justifying piracy, just saying that this is a win-win
 
Piracy is hurting game industry, the reason Ubisoft has gone into to DRM overdrive
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If Ubi had spent half the amount on developing the DRM into ACII's engine(like DX11 and all), the game would have fared and been accepted much more(it's already been a bestseller)...

Point is, if Ubi hadn't spent on DRM, the game would have still sold that many copies, or perhaps many as people wanted to avoid all the shit online trouble, considering SK**ROW's crack could play the game w/o any hitches offline. Just replacing 1 file...

Oh yeah, if Ubi hadn't spent that much money on DRM, they probably might have profited last year(heard some 60mn$ revenue, loss)
 
UBI has always been experimenting with DRMs. A wise tom cruise fan said so. And it a fact. :)

Their latest DRM in hawx 2 is virtually un-crackable as of now.
 
Their latest DRM in hawx 2 is virtually un-crackable as of now.
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played the game, i thought hawx was pathetic... hawx2 surpasses hawx

reports that AC Brotherhood won't have that stupid server DRM(good, now that's cracked already on AC II)
 
The sole reason Ubisoft invested in DRM is because of piracy on PC console. It was not a decision out of blue. Ubisoft collected data how much of thier games are pirated. Ubisoft Released POP : Forgotten Sands without DRM and it was pirated like anything on PC. Also, AC1 was pirated heavily as it had no DRM.

Thanks to pirates we are now stuck with DRM.
 
In fact there is no successful crack for AC 2. There is something called connection emulator that is used to run AC 2.
Right now, AC 2 does not require permanent internet connection, you just need to connect while starting the game. Still it's PITA.
 
sugat123 said:
Ubisoft Released POP : Forgotten Sands without DRM and it was pirated like anything on PC.
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Errr...Forgotten Sands had the Internet Authentication DRM, just like AC II. It was Prince of Persia, which was released in 2008, that didn't have any protection at all.
 
comp@ddict said:
played the game, i thought hawx was pathetic... hawx2 surpasses hawx

reports that AC Brotherhood won't have that stupid server DRM(good, now that's cracked already on AC II)
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You bought the legit game? or played on a console?
 
ggt said:
In some blog it was reported that sony had asked google to mention all the users who have posted the way to hack into ps3 and all those who have posted the tutorial will recieve warnings etc.
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
comp@ddict said:
If Ubi had spent half the amount on developing the DRM into ACII's engine(like DX11 and all), the game would have fared and been accepted much more(it's already been a bestseller)...

Point is, if Ubi hadn't spent on DRM, the game would have still sold that many copies, or perhaps many as people wanted to avoid all the shit online trouble, considering SK**ROW's crack could play the game w/o any hitches offline. Just replacing 1 file...

Oh yeah, if Ubi hadn't spent that much money on DRM, they probably might have profited last year(heard some 60mn$ revenue, loss)
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Why do people assume that a company would randomly spend millions of dollars on something without thoroughly researching on why they need it.

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pranaywhiz said:
Firstly, yes piracy would come under stealing but it should not be compared to stealing cars, iphones, pencils or whatever. Because they are physical entities. If you steal a car, one product that was produced disappears. It is not the case with games. Stealing an original game disk and pirating a game are two different things. Yes, both ARE stealing and doing both IS wrong, but putting forward this point during these kind of debates is not correct because of the difference in the nature of products. But this point is the most used point in such kind of debates. There are better points to put forward.
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The fundamental flaw in the reasoning you put forth is the assumption that there is no cost associated with the creation of the software. The cost of a physical product can be broken down into the cost of R&D (physical effort) and the cost of components (physical material). While there is very little physical in terms of material for software, the physical effort is as real as any other product and in most cases a lot more. The cost of each copy of a software does not cover the entire cost spent on creating the software and there is a min number of sales required to even reach a break even point.
pranaywhiz said:
People often are asked to skip the game if they are not able to buy it- but,
The production house doesnt get money if a person skips the game.
The production house doesnt get money if a person pirates the game.
So here the interest seems to be on the second point.
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There is a major difference between the two cases. Let me explain with an analogy. The Indian railways runs trains whether you travel by them or not. So lets assume the two cases

- You do not buy a ticket when you didn't travel
- You did not buy a ticket when you are traveling.

Do you think there is no difference between the two cases considering the train is going to run regardless of you. Would the TT leave you alone if you are traveling without a ticket because there are enough empty seats and the train is going to run anyway even if those seats are not filled?

pranaywhiz said:
People feel and think that buying second hand games is ok but it obviously is the same thing as piracy on a lesser scale.
The production house doesnt get money if a person buys a second hand game.
The production house doesnt get money if a person pirates a game.
Are you just happy that the person is paying and buying a second hand game? Here too the interest definitely is in the second point.
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Again there is a difference between the two cases. In practicality you require at least a min number of sales to happen before resales can happen without people having to wait till the end of the world for their turn to play the game. So in essence, company is at least getting some amount of money from the first hand sales. In case of piracy, you don't even require a single copy of the game to be sold. In most cases, the games are leaked before or during the process of replication and put up for download. So practically its possible for a company to make 0 sales in with piracy.

pranaywhiz said:
But banning consoles because they are jailbroken is not a good thing to do, not because SONY doesnt have the right to as it does but
Game disks can come with a particular identification using which they can be authenticated and PSN access should be provided to people with legit copies of the game even if they are on a jailbroken console. And online access shouldnt be given for a particular game if it is pirated. This is because the money that is generated from the sale of a particular game is utilized in the online expenditures of that game normally. This will keep everyone happy. Moreover if they are completely banned people who want to stay on jailbreak for whatever reason will have no reason to buy an original ever again as they anyway cannot go online.
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It makes perfect sense to ban such Jail broken consoles online because the consoles are supposed to offer a platform for fair play online and who knows how a Jail broken console can be manipulated for getting an unfair advantage in online games. Further more Sony tests their network with the original firmware and who knows how a non standard/manipulated console is going to behave on the network, it may cause problems or wreak the experience for other legit users. Then there is also the case of security. Whats to say that a console that can run unsigned code cannot be used to run malware to attack Sony's networks?
 
Why do people assume that a company would randomly spend millions of dollars on something without thoroughly researching on why they need it.
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umm, just because you dont assume doesn't mean someone else wont douche..

and AC:B will have A DIFFERENT DRM, which doesn't require a CONSTANT internet connection(it's in the minimum requirements)
 
Pirates are gonna pirate the game and make pathetic excuses for not buying the game. They are blaming the companies. Right, blame the owner who is robbed instead of the thief.
 
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