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Video need help in buying a 32inch lcd tv @30k
- Thread starter Arnab Boss
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adder said:well highly unlikely the 32S550A is available for that cheap,its mostly the sony 32T550A.
Arnab mentioned S series @ 26K in his post.
Hope he doesn't mean the S400. That is why I put down the model number explicitly so there is no misunderstanding.
Emil said:Arnab mentioned S series @ 26K in his post.
Hope he doesn't mean the S400. That is why I put down the model number explicitly so there is no misunderstanding.
well even in thailand where the grey market dealers and sonyindia import from its priced around 28k.i think he has mistaken the T550A for S550A. or may be it is the older 32s400a or even older 32s310a.
Arnab Boss
Disciple
Well guys I finally got my lcd tv and what a luck I had...'
as I told u I went 2 buy a samsung la32b450c4 @25k... But 2 my surprise he didn't had in stock and told me 2 com on sunday as the cargo is arriving on saturday...
But I need it on friday as I already sold my 29 inch vidiocon tv and I had no choice left...' then he told me to get the sony s series but I refused it...' he then told that he has a samsung la32b550 ready @ 32k which is 39k in showroom...' I didn't thought twice and gave a go @ this...'
I purchased samsung la32b550 @ 32k... And guys blive me its amazing and now I decided tht I will not buy tft moniter which I was planning samsung p2350...'
How's the deal guys...'
And the sony s series is the new model @ 27k..'
as I told u I went 2 buy a samsung la32b450c4 @25k... But 2 my surprise he didn't had in stock and told me 2 com on sunday as the cargo is arriving on saturday...
But I need it on friday as I already sold my 29 inch vidiocon tv and I had no choice left...' then he told me to get the sony s series but I refused it...' he then told that he has a samsung la32b550 ready @ 32k which is 39k in showroom...' I didn't thought twice and gave a go @ this...'
I purchased samsung la32b550 @ 32k... And guys blive me its amazing and now I decided tht I will not buy tft moniter which I was planning samsung p2350...'
How's the deal guys...'
And the sony s series is the new model @ 27k..'
@Arnab Gosh
Did you get the authorized bill and genuine Sony India warranty card?
If not, this stuff could be contraband and the Sony India warranty may not apply. It could be a Thailand product whose warrant may not apply here.
India has a 12.5 % VATax (which is included in all product showrooms), this govt. tax is far less in Thailand and other countries.
Such products have a risk in that you have to hope it doesn't fail in the first one year. If it does, it won't be a good deal, as the LCD repair in unregulated open market which I would imagine is not yet widespread and is not cheap.
Arnab Boss said:I purchased samsung la32b550 @ 32k... And guys blive me its amazing and now I decided tht I will not buy tft moniter which I was planning samsung p2350...'
How's the deal guys...'
And the sony s series is the new model @ 27k..'
Did you get the authorized bill and genuine Sony India warranty card?
If not, this stuff could be contraband and the Sony India warranty may not apply. It could be a Thailand product whose warrant may not apply here.
India has a 12.5 % VATax (which is included in all product showrooms), this govt. tax is far less in Thailand and other countries.
Such products have a risk in that you have to hope it doesn't fail in the first one year. If it does, it won't be a good deal, as the LCD repair in unregulated open market which I would imagine is not yet widespread and is not cheap.
Arnab Boss
Disciple
^^^ dude I didn't purchased a sony lcd tv but I purchased a samsung 5 series lcd tv 32b550 model @ 32k...'
sony I mentioned Bcoz some members where asking abt it so I told them..'
And I know the facts abt thailand and singapore products but dude all the products r same and in india they also import the same products but the prob is u hav 2 pay taxes which is preety high...'
@ last it all depends on ur luck and if in warranty ur products hav prob after 1 yr then u hav to pay 4 it..'
So fair deal and luck also as I saved nearly 8k in it..'
sony I mentioned Bcoz some members where asking abt it so I told them..'
And I know the facts abt thailand and singapore products but dude all the products r same and in india they also import the same products but the prob is u hav 2 pay taxes which is preety high...'
@ last it all depends on ur luck and if in warranty ur products hav prob after 1 yr then u hav to pay 4 it..'
So fair deal and luck also as I saved nearly 8k in it..'
Arnab Boss said:^^^ dude I didn't purchased a sony lcd tv but I purchased a samsung 5 series lcd tv 32b550 model @ 32k...'
sony I mentioned Bcoz some members where asking abt it so I told them..'
And I know the facts abt thailand and singapore products but dude all the products r same and in india they also import the same products but the prob is u hav 2 pay taxes which is preety high...'
@ last it all depends on ur luck and if in warranty ur products hav prob after 1 yr then u hav to pay 4 it..'
So fair deal and luck also as I saved nearly 8k in it..'
well so u mean to say that the new s550A costs 27k.any idea about the 32V550A.
Arnab, can you help us get such deals too? And what will be the cost to ship to Mumbai?Arnab Boss said:How's the deal guys...'
And the sony s series is the new model @ 27k..'
@Arnab Boss
I read that. Sony India was a typo. I meant Samsung of course.
I hope you also realize that what you are doing is illegal and culpable under Indian jurisdiction.
It's one thing to buy a product in Thailand/Singapore/Europe/US and pass through customs, but its a totally different thing to sell/buy a consumer electronics item in India without paying the VAT tax to the govt. It's plain tax cheating. Cheap deals are in public domain and are legal. This ain't it. So don't go on claiming cheap deal! cheapest deal!(0%tax, 5% commission only!) on a public forum.
yes, these things are not uncommon, (a certain percentage of the market is always contraband) but there is nothing to be proud of here. If you can find a showroom, a website or a dealer who offers a cheap deal publicly, do let us know.
Yes, we the buyers can approach Samusung India for expert advice and genuine spare parts. You the cheater are on your own. Hey maybe you can take a boat trip to Thailand! I am sure your friendly contact can arrange that without a genuine plane ticket. Oh! you can play games and watch your favorite DVD on your LCD on your return journey.
Kidding aside, your LCD tv is not CRT tv where you can find a local repair man in a street corner, neither is it a desktop that can be repaired by yourself. It isn't even a laptop--buying laptops which are cheaper in foreign and bring them to friends and family in India, is a legal practice though--which have global warranty and service facility.
Of course if you aren't unlucky, your LCD will be in excellent condition for years. And of course you can always find a friendly dealer who can get your LCD repaired unofficially for small change in your city.
So fair deal and luck also as I saved nearly 8k in it..
Fair for whom? It's one thing to take part in a deal not knowingly. A lot of shadow dealers and many small electronics shops sell goods (sometimes for a bargain/cheaper price) without giving a proper bill and product documentation to unsuspecting customers (if they do they would be liable to pay tax). But you ain't one of those. You boast that you know. No, you and your friend-of-a-friend dealer robbed 8k of govt. money, to put it plainly.
I hope you are not in(/ looking for a) career in public service or mainstream politics. I wouldn't be stupid enough to leave an internet trail to direct involvement in tax cheating practices.
@adder
Not it doesn't with the 12.5% VAT.
^^^ dude I didn't purchased a sony lcd tv but I purchased a samsung 5 series lcd tv 32b550 model @ 32k...'
I read that. Sony India was a typo. I meant Samsung of course.
And I know the facts abt thailand and singapore products but dude all the products r same and in india they also import the same products but the prob is u hav 2 pay taxes which is preety high...'
I hope you also realize that what you are doing is illegal and culpable under Indian jurisdiction.
It's one thing to buy a product in Thailand/Singapore/Europe/US and pass through customs, but its a totally different thing to sell/buy a consumer electronics item in India without paying the VAT tax to the govt. It's plain tax cheating. Cheap deals are in public domain and are legal. This ain't it. So don't go on claiming cheap deal! cheapest deal!(0%tax, 5% commission only!) on a public forum.
yes, these things are not uncommon, (a certain percentage of the market is always contraband) but there is nothing to be proud of here. If you can find a showroom, a website or a dealer who offers a cheap deal publicly, do let us know.
last it all depends on ur luck and if in warranty ur products hav prob after 1 yr then u hav to pay 4 it..'
Yes, we the buyers can approach Samusung India for expert advice and genuine spare parts. You the cheater are on your own. Hey maybe you can take a boat trip to Thailand! I am sure your friendly contact can arrange that without a genuine plane ticket. Oh! you can play games and watch your favorite DVD on your LCD on your return journey.
Kidding aside, your LCD tv is not CRT tv where you can find a local repair man in a street corner, neither is it a desktop that can be repaired by yourself. It isn't even a laptop--buying laptops which are cheaper in foreign and bring them to friends and family in India, is a legal practice though--which have global warranty and service facility.
Of course if you aren't unlucky, your LCD will be in excellent condition for years. And of course you can always find a friendly dealer who can get your LCD repaired unofficially for small change in your city.
So fair deal and luck also as I saved nearly 8k in it..
Fair for whom? It's one thing to take part in a deal not knowingly. A lot of shadow dealers and many small electronics shops sell goods (sometimes for a bargain/cheaper price) without giving a proper bill and product documentation to unsuspecting customers (if they do they would be liable to pay tax). But you ain't one of those. You boast that you know. No, you and your friend-of-a-friend dealer robbed 8k of govt. money, to put it plainly.
I hope you are not in(/ looking for a) career in public service or mainstream politics. I wouldn't be stupid enough to leave an internet trail to direct involvement in tax cheating practices.
@adder
adder said:well so u mean to say that the new s550A costs 27k.any idea about the 32V550A.
Not it doesn't with the 12.5% VAT.
They sell those things in all big port cities. It's a 'limited', shadow market. They just don't advertise such activities publicly.Emil said:Arnab, can you help us get such deals too? And what will be the cost to ship to Mumbai?
adder said:well thats only when u buy them in showroom..there is a plus side in grey market u can check the panel for dead pixels,backlight bleed,the panel used etc,can u do that in a showroom.
[...]dude they sell in malls which is full air conditioned and has escalators.
It's an intricate mess between manufacturers, brand showrooms, authorized dealers, multi-brand chain outlets and the govt. regulatory agencies. Moreover it was the Diwali holiday season and everyone was having a fest competing for their share! Offering gifts, scratchcard/lottery gifts, deals and whatnot. It seems, only Arnab, and possibly a very small percentage of holiday shoppers, got the fair treatment that all Indians deserve in this great land of ours that has so much economic activity but still falls way short of the quality of markets of most developed countries, both East and West.
btw who are u,to tell us where to buy and where not to buy.are u a dealer?
I was a bit harsh in judging Arnab Boss. My sincere apologies to Arnab and readers of this forum for my snarky remarks and casting priggish aspersions on his holiday purchase.
At the end of the day, they all are fleecing the Indian customer. Govt. included.
I am a big supporter of free trade economics. That way everyone wins; the consumer, the market and even the government (if only they put the politics and self-interest aside.)
As to the second part of your question; I am a common man.
Arnab Boss
Disciple
Wyly said:@Arnab Boss
^^^ dude I didn't purchased a sony lcd tv but I purchased a samsung 5 series lcd tv 32b550 model @ 32k...'
I read that. Sony India was a typo. I meant Samsung of course.
And I know the facts abt thailand and singapore products but dude all the products r same and in india they also import the same products but the prob is u hav 2 pay taxes which is preety high...'
I hope you also realize that what you are doing is illegal and culpable under Indian jurisdiction.
It's one thing to buy a product in Thailand/Singapore/Europe/US and pass through customs, but its a totally different thing to sell/buy a consumer electronics item in India without paying the VAT tax to the govt. It's plain tax cheating. Cheap deals are in public domain and are legal. This ain't it. So don't go on claiming cheap deal! cheapest deal!(0%tax, 5% commission only!) on a public forum.
yes, these things are not uncommon, (a certain percentage of the market is always contraband) but there is nothing to be proud of here. If you can find a showroom, a website or a dealer who offers a cheap deal publicly, do let us know.
last it all depends on ur luck and if in warranty ur products hav prob after 1 yr then u hav to pay 4 it..'
Yes, we the buyers can approach Samusung India for expert advice and genuine spare parts. You the cheater are on your own. Hey maybe you can take a boat trip to Thailand! I am sure your friendly contact can arrange that without a genuine plane ticket. Oh! you can play games and watch your favorite DVD on your LCD on your return journey.
Kidding aside, your LCD tv is not CRT tv where you can find a local repair man in a street corner, neither is it a desktop that can be repaired by yourself. It isn't even a laptop--buying laptops which are cheaper in foreign and bring them to friends and family in India, is a legal practice though--which have global warranty and service facility.
Of course if you aren't unlucky, your LCD will be in excellent condition for years. And of course you can always find a friendly dealer who can get your LCD repaired unofficially for small change in your city.
So fair deal and luck also as I saved nearly 8k in it..
Fair for whom? It's one thing to take part in a deal not knowingly. A lot of shadow dealers and many small electronics shops sell goods (sometimes for a bargain/cheaper price) without giving a proper bill and product documentation to unsuspecting customers (if they do they would be liable to pay tax). But you ain't one of those. You boast that you know. No, you and your friend-of-a-friend dealer robbed 8k of govt. money, to put it plainly.
I hope you are not in(/ looking for a) career in public service or mainstream politics. I wouldn't be stupid enough to leave an internet trail to direct involvement in tax cheating practices.
@adder
Not it doesn't with the 12.5% VAT.
Hmm lots of knowledge I c..., but first learn how to reply....' how dare u call me and my frnds cheater and without knowing the facts...'
first of all why should I rob the govt...I don't know whether u know or not that if u bring products like these u hav to pay a customs duty in airports... So my frnd already paid taxes...' rest is the vat which he don't require as he don't hav any shop or co in his name...'
Secondly why the f**k I will travel to thailand without a proper ticket and what 4.. I know u said u were kidding but ur imagination is out of the world...' and 4 ur information I hav my travel agent to take care of this...'
as I mentioned earlier I am getting a 1 yr warranty frm samsung worldwide...'so if anything goes wrong they will take care...'
Now 4 authorized bill there r almost every dealers or showrooms ask u first if u want a bill or not... If yes then the vat is there if no then no taxes and u will save 1k...'don't forget its india and everyone wants to hav an extra piece of cake...'
Lastly I belong frm a reputated business family and am happy with my business... and I don't know abt ur general knowledge but arnd 90 percent of govt employees and politicians r corrupted as per studies...' so I am not thinking abt it...'
Try to control ur emotions... I know Wht u r feeling but as I said its india and everything is possible here...'
@Wyly - you are one self-righteous gent aren't you?
You realize that customs duty is required to be paid on anything that is imported. If despite that, the imported equipment is cheaper than the same sold locally, it is clearly a matter of bloated margins along the distribution chain. We cut into that chain to push for lowering of the margins.
It does not help to blame the govt. Indian companies and middlemen have become accustomed to fat margins. That has been the bane of volume business.
You also need to know that I have spoken to Samsung CC. If you need them to attend to your TV, they are not concerned with its antecedents. They will charge you 1000 bucks service charge and will repair it for you if it isn't under warranty. Take the price saving and the probability of needing their service and it is readily apparent that the so-called regular channels are ripping us off.
If you wish, please continue to enrich the fat middleman. Don't insist I should.
You realize that customs duty is required to be paid on anything that is imported. If despite that, the imported equipment is cheaper than the same sold locally, it is clearly a matter of bloated margins along the distribution chain. We cut into that chain to push for lowering of the margins.
It does not help to blame the govt. Indian companies and middlemen have become accustomed to fat margins. That has been the bane of volume business.
You also need to know that I have spoken to Samsung CC. If you need them to attend to your TV, they are not concerned with its antecedents. They will charge you 1000 bucks service charge and will repair it for you if it isn't under warranty. Take the price saving and the probability of needing their service and it is readily apparent that the so-called regular channels are ripping us off.
If you wish, please continue to enrich the fat middleman. Don't insist I should.
Arnab Boss
Disciple
@ emil nice said dude...'
I think he is really newbie in indian scenario....'
@ durgaj 17" dude its the s series s550 @ 27k
I think he is really newbie in indian scenario....'
@ durgaj 17" dude its the s series s550 @ 27k
@Arnab Boss
first of all why should I rob the govt...I don't know whether u know or not that if u bring products like these u hav to pay a customs duty in airports... So my frnd already paid taxes...' rest is the vat which he don't require as he don't hav any shop or co in his name...'
You have to pay at least about 18% duty and tax to import LCD tvs of 32 inches or more to India.
I hope your friend did. But I wouldn't be so sure given the exorbitant cheap price he has offered, even if it's break-even for him. Add the cost of the product(bulk) in Thailand to the shipping charges to Calcutta either through legal (by paying customs duty and taxes at the port of entry; sea or air) or illegal channels (evading customs by smuggling them through shipments or by bribing the custom officials), it sure raises eyebrows.
Most LCD makers like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are making their products in Thailand and shipping them here with minimal duties due to the special FTA agreement between the two countries. I don't think they would market their products so high than the grey market that you get so cheap a deal (even after excluding 12.5% VAT).
@Emil
You realize that customs duty is required to be paid on anything that is imported. If despite that, the imported equipment is cheaper than the same sold locally, it is clearly a matter of bloated margins along the distribution chain. We cut into that chain to push for lowering of the margins.
See my reply to Arnab above. You are right as long as Arnab's shady friend paid his duties and charges. It's not like this guy went on a vacation to Thailand/Singapore, bought an LCD and paid his customs charges at the airport, and still finds it cheaper than what it typically costs in Indian grey market. The prices quoted by Arnab doesn't compute.
I don't think you should give a clean chit to this character and take Arnab's word-- just because he says "I come from a reputed family, I am an ethical man, and I assure you that my friend paid all duties and charges"--for that. I don't mind the grey market but possible smuggling? Any responsible citizen shouldn't turn a blind eye or encourage such possibilities; it could be LCD today, IED tomorrow.
first of all why should I rob the govt...I don't know whether u know or not that if u bring products like these u hav to pay a customs duty in airports... So my frnd already paid taxes...' rest is the vat which he don't require as he don't hav any shop or co in his name...'
You have to pay at least about 18% duty and tax to import LCD tvs of 32 inches or more to India.
I hope your friend did. But I wouldn't be so sure given the exorbitant cheap price he has offered, even if it's break-even for him. Add the cost of the product(bulk) in Thailand to the shipping charges to Calcutta either through legal (by paying customs duty and taxes at the port of entry; sea or air) or illegal channels (evading customs by smuggling them through shipments or by bribing the custom officials), it sure raises eyebrows.
Most LCD makers like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are making their products in Thailand and shipping them here with minimal duties due to the special FTA agreement between the two countries. I don't think they would market their products so high than the grey market that you get so cheap a deal (even after excluding 12.5% VAT).
@Emil
You realize that customs duty is required to be paid on anything that is imported. If despite that, the imported equipment is cheaper than the same sold locally, it is clearly a matter of bloated margins along the distribution chain. We cut into that chain to push for lowering of the margins.
See my reply to Arnab above. You are right as long as Arnab's shady friend paid his duties and charges. It's not like this guy went on a vacation to Thailand/Singapore, bought an LCD and paid his customs charges at the airport, and still finds it cheaper than what it typically costs in Indian grey market. The prices quoted by Arnab doesn't compute.
I don't think you should give a clean chit to this character and take Arnab's word-- just because he says "I come from a reputed family, I am an ethical man, and I assure you that my friend paid all duties and charges"--for that. I don't mind the grey market but possible smuggling? Any responsible citizen shouldn't turn a blind eye or encourage such possibilities; it could be LCD today, IED tomorrow.
Wyly said:Most LCD makers like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are making their products in Thailand and shipping them here with minimal duties due to the special FTA agreement between the two countries. I don't think they would market their products so high than the grey market that you get so cheap a deal (even after excluding 12.5% VAT).
I think you need to get real here. I have been in several organisations in my career. I assure you that pricing has less to do with cost than to do with how much the customer is willing to pay. Over 99% of customers will not touch the grey market product of this complexity because of the fear that it may be a spurious product. That is why the fat cats can get away with such huge margins. A techno-savvy person would look at the risk v/s reward proposition offered and take a call on whether to go for the grey market product or not.
Wyly said:I don't mind the grey market but possible smuggling?
This is a rather lengthy topic but we must keep it brief. I would start by asking what is the dividing line between grey market and smuggling? There is a line but it is invisible. Now you'll use this to hammer me about the ethics of buying from the grey market. But wait. What is the dividing line between smuggling and manufacturing? Have you heard of under-invoicing? Are you aware that even when you are willing to pay full duty, some money changes hands under the table at customs? Are you aware that duty rate depends on the BTN number and that is often subject to interpretation and therefore negotiable?
While I agree with your sentiments on patriotism, we can't take it so far that we will have to start assembling our own LCD TV at home. And after that we contact the excise department and pay excise duty. Mind you the law requires us to pay it even for a DIY project IINM.
Wyly said:Arnab's shady friend
That, if I may say so, is a cheap shot.
Arnab Boss
Disciple
@ wyly...' dude u r getting very sentiment abt it..' if u r aware of smuggling goods than in india alone thousands of crores r smuggled daily like fmcg products electronics products and jewelry...'
So what do u think the indian govt doesn't know...? The officials get their portion of share frm each deal even the politicians ministers and police everyone is involed in it..'
its a fact and neither u nor me can change it...! so try to accept this reality...' more over if u r talking abt showrooms then before buying my lcd tv I visited 5 shops and blive me each one quoted a different price...so how can u say that buying frm a showroom is fair...?
If anyone gets something less than what he was expecting then he will run for that as everyone wants to save money in today market...'
so same here I saved nearly 7k and now I can buy a hd dvd player with tht money...' I am getting a pioneer hd dvd player with hdmi port @7.5k but I am eager to buy a sony blue ray player lets c...'
So what do u think the indian govt doesn't know...? The officials get their portion of share frm each deal even the politicians ministers and police everyone is involed in it..'
its a fact and neither u nor me can change it...! so try to accept this reality...' more over if u r talking abt showrooms then before buying my lcd tv I visited 5 shops and blive me each one quoted a different price...so how can u say that buying frm a showroom is fair...?
If anyone gets something less than what he was expecting then he will run for that as everyone wants to save money in today market...'
so same here I saved nearly 7k and now I can buy a hd dvd player with tht money...' I am getting a pioneer hd dvd player with hdmi port @7.5k but I am eager to buy a sony blue ray player lets c...'