Need tips/guidelines to buy a washing machine!!

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BIKeINSTEIN

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Basic needs-
-Has to wash daily wear for a family of 3-5 adults at the most.
-Usual weekend loads of few sheets, curtains, etc.
-Top or front (i have heard top is more practical in Indian conditions in case the taps go dry)
- SS drums preferred i heard, plastic big no no

- I need not only good quality but good ASS. :P
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Thanks to the new feature of threads to checkk before starting a new one one, here is one i read.
http://www.techenclave.com/consumer-electronics/which-washing-machine-86520.html
Someone please post a complete guide and importnat tips - please. :)
 
1. Top loading good for indian conditions = BS since any fully automatic wont work in "bucket load" mode.

2. Front loaders are far more energy efficient.

3. IFB/Siemens front loader (med and higher models) have steel drums far too reliable than plastic.

4. Go for a machine with least electronics this is where indian conditions matter. IFB has a few purely electromechanical models. These have least failure rate.

5. IFB ASS rocks at least in pune.

6. Front loaders are easy to maintain.

7. Front loaders have in build heaters which could heat water upto 90deg Celsius, which is a definite boon.

8. Some top loaders too have heaters however they are too costly.

9. Lint/Coins/other waste collection is fairly superior in front loaders.

10. My recommendation IFB senator 5KG for a small family. If you have a baby in your house get the 6KG model. 5KG was around 21K around Diwali and 6KG around 24K.
 
since like u i wanted the best of the best in build and performance i researched quite a lot.

well go for whirlpool proffesional SUD701 its a front loading 7kg washing machine exact same models u find in U.K and USA ,a similar model in US retails for about $700 to $900,i bought if for 26k should be cheaper now since the cen vat was cut by 4% and the recent 2% excise duty cut. although it doesnt have a SS drum which like u i was looking for(even siemens doesnt have), one of the features IFB boasts off trust me IFB machines are crap even their 28k washing machine is crap,the build quality doesnt even match base whirpool models priced at 15k.

things that are bad in IFB cheap plastic,poor hinges,door doesnt close solid,its like some old matador van door uses a plastic rentention hook,buttons look cheap and in many instances even in showrooms u will find them non functional,IFBs own technician doesnt recommend their new digital series or DX series,lots of electronic problems.except the 7kg IFB model all others use a plastic doom which is prone to scratches,even the door gasket of ifb models u see in showrooms looks like its disforming like when u rub a eraser u get some rubber particles.so stay away from IFB.

LG well lots of unwanted tech and crome paint prone to scratches build quality is better then IFB.

samsung they look decent,some models again are good quality better then IFB and LG.

siemens well most of the premium u are paying is for the customs duty ,only 1 service centre/city and spares aren't cheap,their 5.5 kg models itself cost 25k+.
build quality is good but still looses to whirpool and some high end models of samsung.its made in turkey,they still havent even launched the 2008 models in india still getting rid of the old stock,viveks a very famous dealer network in south india stopped selling them because of its service and support.

please dont go for TOP loading washing machines they consume lots of water,they dont take dirt that well,and are more fragile due to the comples gear box systems used.

i use my whirlpool SUD 701 front loading washing machine every alternate days, 7kg comes quite handy,we are a family of 4 ,if u go for smaller size capacity u tend to squeeze in a lot of laundry which restricts the tumbling action and u dont get a proper wash so bigger, the capicity the better ,every week i put my bed sheets and can put at a time 3 to 4 bedsheets of good thickness + 2 pillow covers.
best part is this washing machine consumes very little water for every KG of load it consumes a total of 8litres of water including the rinse cycle,but depends on how much detergent u use,if u put too much it will consume more water,it senses the amount of load u put and depending upon that it consumes water,also sensed if excessive foam as formed.its has simple user friendly dail to set the programmes ,unlike some other manufacture that requires u to see the LED display this one doesnt require.

the SUD701 is a new model and companys flagship model in india, u want find it in indian website but u can look at the catalogue by ur dealer,most dealers will force u to buy IFB,they have good profit margins in them.

but the same whirpool model in a different name is available in UK
Whirlpool Clean+ 6th Sense washing machine-AWO/D6527-859293515000

trust me that is by far the best u can buy in build quality everthing looks and feels solid and the performance is top notch,doors shut tight with one click,once shut doesnt even move more then a milimetre,compared to IFB which can travels upto 1inch,the whirlpool has very very less vibration and noise.

trust me for the untrained eye all will have the same build quality,so i started looking realy close ,enquiring my neigbours ,their guests,my relatives and who not.
IFB was good some 10 years ago when it was in collabaration with a german company,not anymore quality as degraded badily,its like some one is forcing them to build washing machines with poor fit and finish.i spent lots of time and effort searching for the best washing machine u can buy below 30k.i can guarantee this is the best u can find.
 
adder said:
please dont go for TOP loading washing machines they consume lots of water,they dont take dirt that well,and are more fragile due to the comples gear box systems used.
top loading machines dont consume more water, and dont have complex gear box systems.
adder said:
i use my whirlpool SUD 701 front loading washing machine every alternate days, 7kg comes quite handy,we are a family of 4 ,if u go for smaller size capacity u tend to squeeze in a lot of laundry which restricts the tumbling action and u dont get a proper wash so bigger, the capicity the better ,every week i put my bed sheets and can put at a time 3 to 4 bedsheets of good thickness + 2 pillow covers.

best part is this washing machine consumes very little water for every KG of load it consumes a total of 8litres of water including the rinse cycle,but depends on how much detergent u use,if u put too much it will consume more water,it senses the amount of load u put and depending upon that it consumes water,also sensed if excessive foam as formed.

how did you come to the conclusion it takes just 8 litres water per kg including rinse cycle? so say for 4 kg load including rinse it will finish in just
32litres of water?

BS!! no machine will take less than 50-60 litres of water for washing including wash and rinse and for even the least load there is a minimum amount of water without which the machine will not run properly. Actually the drum will rotate but the clothes will just be wet and not be turning around in it.
 
6pack said:
top loading machines dont consume more water, and dont have complex gear box systems.
well newer washing machines uses agitator to turn and they require a gear box system,some manucatures like L which uses quite a large number of tiny washers.
HowStuffWorks "How Washing Machines Work"
about top loading washing machines consuming more water google around.
there are tons of articles.
here is one
Choose a front-loading ENERGY STAR washer | GreenYour.com
how did you come to the conclusion it takes just 8 litres water per kg including rinse cycle? so say for 4 kg load including rinse it will finish in just
32litres of water?

BS!! no machine will take less than 50-60 litres of water for washing including wash and rinse and for even the least load there is a minimum amount of water without which the machine will not run properly. Actually the drum will rotate but the clothes will just be wet and not be turning around in it.

well the brochure says that,also siemens washing machines 5.5kg models consume 64litres/5kg of water,said by there brochure although both the whirlpool and siemens brochure doesnt specify whether it includes rinse cycle,but from my own eyes it the water exiting looks very less.anyway for my own curiosity i will test it myself havent done the plumbing yet,so i can put the outlet pipe in bucket which has reading upto 20litres.will do it in the weekend.BTW the lower end whirlpool models consumes 11litres/KG.
 
@adder, single tub wm's (like in the link u gave) are not available in india. afaik only videocon had brought out a single model long time back. Its not available now.

Also i've opened up my top loading wm (a videocon one) and it has two motors, one for the wash tub (tub does not rotate, but the agitator inside rotates - either clockwise or anticlockwise; and motor uses a belt to turn the agitator in either direction.) The other motor for the spinner, spin tub directly connected to the motor i think.

lets suppose you say the truth, why not point out the drawbacks of a front loading wm too? parts are hard to find, costly and if your luck is bad, the wm keeps developing some trouble time to time. i know they save water, but not as much as hyped by the manufacturers. and saving energy is also hyped.

a 6kg wm will take more power to run than a 4kg one. and the cost of a front loading almost negates any saving in price even if it runs for next ten years without any maintenance costs.

Also basically all fully auto wm here need to be connected to a tap, which is hard to find in many places now because of water problems.
 
Hmmm...
Iam even more confused now. :rofl:

But one thing i have to say- always had 24x7 water supply in my building even when most areas in Mumbai didn't but for the past couple of years now, especially during summer. :(

And do all agree to fully automatic, whether front or top?? or something else? :S
 
Im with sarang, one more vote for the front loading ones. They definitely consume less water - I have used both the types and can easily discern the difference. I got a Whirlpool 5kg front loading for 15k. The top loading ones with the same features arent much cheaper. I find the front loaders to give better wash quality with less detergent.
 
One of the reasons I gave front loaders a miss, is you cannot move them around. True you wont be moving the machines a lot, but in a space deficit world where we live, less mobility is defitnitely a downer.

I didnt do much research before buying a machine, but am happy with a top loader Toshiba I have got. Have some very heavy usage, twice a day with once a week washing of bedsheets, bed covers etc,,,
 
well all washing machines have some kind of drawbacks like for instance the front loading ones cannot be moved and they are more heavy my washing machines weighs 65+kg,they are more expensive ,well certain times when the door is open u might bang ur knees at the night or dont have a presence of mind,provided no lights.when power goes off and u want to take it in a hurry u will need to drain it out manualy,or else wait for 3min for the door to unlock itself.thats all i could think of.and very rarely small children can climb inside and accidently switched on by others
 
@adder: waters spillage is a thing of past, the newer machines wont start if the door is open, let alone take water in.

Kids climbing in as well is history as the doors have comlex and kids proof locking mechanisms.

For movement you could get a wheeled base at 800bucks.
 
sarang said:
@adder: waters spillage is a thing of past, the newer machines wont start if the door is open, let alone take water in.

Kids climbing in as well is history as the doors have comlex and kids proof locking mechanisms.

For movement you could get a wheeled base at 800bucks.

u miss read or miss understood me ,i know machines wont start when its open,i said if the power goes off during wash/rinse cycle then...read the earlier post.

well i heard in a recent news that a baby was killed in a washing machine in US or europe when accidently her kid brother pressed the button,after closing the door,anyways thats rear,most of us in india dont usualy put them is standby, people in the US always put their electronic/electrical devices in standby.

well yes stands are available ,i myself need to get one ,but was quoted around 1200 that to some cheaply built local one.
 
@adder: sorry if i misread.

The stand i got is genuine IFB and was delivered with the machine at additional 800 bucks. U talk to LG they may have the thing you need at a reasonable cost.
 
sarang said:
@adder: sorry if i misread.

The stand i got is genuine IFB and was delivered with the machine at additional 800 bucks. U talk to LG they may have the thing you need at a reasonable cost.

u dont have to say sorry for that:)

and is the IFB stand white in color or like crome color which i dont like,and also whats the ground clearence like?i also need to put a mesh at the bottom i dont wont pests to have a party inside.
 
@bikey: hope the OT is still helpful, else we'd continue in PMs.

@adder: the ground clearance is about 2.5 inches. Plus adjustable with a screw. Its white in color u get black as well.

Mesh installation would be a bit tough as it's hinder the movement of the wheels.
 
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