Android Nokia launches Android X, X+, XL

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Snapdragon is possibly one the most know names in processors and chipsets, why wont support be available for them? Have you seen the Nokia tweet there? They would be way more supporting of the community than any other company.

The tweet above does not indicate the chipset, i had to look it up since nobody mentioned the chipset and i find it is snapdragon. It means chances of dev support are better.

What support are you referring to here. This is nokia's first product in android that actually allows 3rd party support. Thier windows offering are all locked down. tight.

And what do you care how they convinced Microsoft? Like are you here to just shit on the thread with out making sense?

It matters.

They wanted an alternative and Android fit the bill perfectly.

Why does nokia want an alternative. They are married to WP.

Are those low end lumias that run WP8 not selling in enough numbers.

Loads of new OEMs have signed up for WP8.1 phones. Nokia wont be carrying that torch alone anymore.

All forgotten, htc 8x ? samsungs offerings ? who else.

When you say WP, everybody thinks nokia. Nokia is wp8's most successful wp8 manufacturer. And they belong to m$ so those other vendors are at a disadvantage.

That Nokia would now consider android is curious. Why is it so hard for people to see this ?

So it makes sense they get into android too now. That could be a strategy too. But Over all an amazing decision, and will hurt the bottom line of Samsung, Micromax, Karbonn and company.

i don't know what sense it makes. This is something that will take time to assess. The phones will sell. But are people going to want m$ or google after. THAT is the point i'm driving at.

 

[Party Monger]

The tweet above does not indicate the chipset, i had to look it up since nobody mentioned the chipset and i find it is snapdragon. It means chances of dev support are better.

What support are you referring to here. This is nokia's first product in android that actually allows 3rd party support. Thier windows offering are all locked down. tight.


It matters.


Why does nokia want an alternative. They are married to WP.

Are those low end lumias that run WP8 not selling in enough numbers.


All forgotten, htc 8x ? samsungs offerings ? who else.

When you say WP, everybody thinks nokia. Nokia is wp8's most successful wp8 manufacturer. And they belong to m$ so those other vendors are at a disadvantage.

That Nokia would now consider android is curious. Why is it so hard for people to see this ?


i don't know what sense it makes. This is something that will take time to assess. The phones will sell. But are people going to want m$ or google after. THAT is the point i'm driving at.

*facepalm*

The tweet above does not indicate the chipset, i had to look it up since nobody mentioned the chipset and i find it is snapdragon. It means chances of dev support are better.

Which is why you need to read the article before you come and shit on a discussion thread and derail it it.

What support are you referring to here. This is nokia's first product in android that actually allows 3rd party support. Thier windows offering are all locked down. tight.

Android support for Snapdragon chipsets. And AOSP in general.

It matters.

Only for conspiracy theorists like you. Might I say, even the stupidest ones i've heard are better then most of yours.

Why does nokia want an alternative. They are married to WP.

Why do you want to shit on this thread when you arent going to buy one? Because you can. Same way, because Nokia ****ing can.

Are those low end lumias that run WP8 not selling in enough numbers.

They are selling, but Android is a household name now. And phones sell cause of the label android.

All forgotten, htc 8x ? samsungs offerings ? who else.

Well recently around 9-11 OEM have reaffirmed new devices coming soon. I'd give you the list but you'l probably take a sting dump on that too.

When you say WP, everybody thinks nokia. Nokia is wp8's most successful wp8 manufacturer. And they belong to m$ so those other vendors are at a disadvantage.

What the ****? So no one will make WP devices cause Nokia has made a name for itself there?

That Nokia would now consider android is curious. Why is it so hard for people to see this ?

Why is it curious? They needed something that runs well on shit-specced hardware(low budget), has tonnes of Apps and games, comes with no licensing cost. AOSP was the best bet. They get a readymade environemnt

i don't know what sense it makes. This is something that will take time to assess. The phones will sell. But are people going to want m$ or google after. THAT is the point i'm driving at.

Oh the point you were driving at is the one you mention in the last line of the last tweet?
Why are you assessing if people will want it? Like WTF kind of thing is that to assess? Its Nokia, its android. People looking for a budget phone will lap it up like crazy.

 

[m-jeri]

Nokia and android does make it curious. . Apparently people are very curious about Nokia now. In a week itself from Xda developers. Curious lot they are.
soon in shops, people will be curious to see the nokia phone which runs android.

I have no idea why this guy is so paranoid when everyone (for the first time i get to say everyone. )else around is seeing the sense of it.

 

[ayanavish]

God you are so dumb in posting these idiotic comments. Nokia is a phone company. They dont have a single OS policy like Apple. They are already in Red. They are trying to make money, they are trying to make a dent in competitors market. Android is first and foremost an open source mobile operating system.

Making money is a good thing in business.

Right. Whoever owns them, Nokia will still remain a device manufacturer. And finally switching to Android will help them to earn some cash flow.[DOUBLEPOST=1393866147][/DOUBLEPOST]Nokia X even found a dedicated section at XDA, which is remarkable given that's a super-budget phone and announced a few days back.

 

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Which is why you need to read the article before you come and shit on a discussion thread and derail it it.

ok, i read that TOI article. nothing in it contradicts what i said. On the contrary i contend that i added a crucial point to the discussion.

what happens AFTER, this phone drops. Nobody knows but its a valid question.

Only for conspiracy theorists like you. Might I say, even the stupidest ones i've heard are better then most of yours.

no CT whatsoever in what i've said. Speculative is a better word here.

Why do you want to shit on this thread when you arent going to buy one? Because you can. Same way, because Nokia ****ing can.

I don't shit on threads, here is what bugged me...

Nokia just took a dump, people crowded around and said it smelled better than Samsung.

786RAM is really going to set the market alight isn't it. Really basic.

They are selling, but Android is a household name now. And phones sell cause of the label android.

The strategy shift underlines several missteps made by the Finnish company since Apple launched its iPhone in 2007.

Nokia was caught between a rock and a hard place - committed to using Microsoft's Windows Phone software, but needing Android software to reach more cost-sensitive customers, CCS Insight's head of research Ben Wood said.

"That a soon-to-be Microsoft-owned company, which is the owner of the original operating system, is moving to Android is almost an admission of failure," he said.

Well recently around 9-11 OEM have reaffirmed new devices coming soon. I'd give you the list but you'l probably take a sting dump on that too.

I will because the last round did not do much. Will this one be any different. There you go again, speculative, even cynical question.

What the ****? So no one will make WP devices cause Nokia has made a name for itself there?

It means android is a better platform to build for. This is ominous.

Why is it curious? They needed something that runs well on shit-specced hardware(low budget), has tonnes of Apps and games, comes with no licensing cost. AOSP was the best bet. They get a readymade environemnt

786MB RAM

if this was WP8, it would not be a problem but its android.

Oh the point you were driving at is the one you mention in the last line of the last tweet?
Why are you assessing if people will want it? Like WTF kind of thing is that to assess? Its Nokia, its android. People looking for a budget phone will lap it up like crazy.

That m$ allowed this in the first place means they had to keep nokia happy and they hope it will help sell more of their services. People will buy it, what platform will their next purchase be is the critical bit. Will they want a wp8 or a android.

If it sells better than wp8 then nokia will want to make higher end phones. Where does m$ stand there. Divorce ?

Did you see what i'm getting at. Trying to get into the heads of the people that took this decision. what can happen in the future.

 

[ayanavish]

786RAM is really going to set the market alight isn't it. Really basic.

Nokia X costs €89 (Rs. 7600), the Nokia X+ will sell for €99 (Rs. 8500) and the Nokia XL - for €109 (Rs. 9300). So, Nokia is not looking to jeopardize Lumia 520/525's sales. With a dual core snapdragon, with 512 / 768 MB RAM, these phones won't be unusable. Hopefully, the build quality will be good too.

If it sells better than wp8 then nokia will want to make higher end phones. Where does m$ stand there. Divorce?

Did you see what i'm getting at. Trying to get into the heads of the people that took this decision. what can happen in the future.

In most of the markets, smartphones are selling more than the feature phones; which is why Nokia is replacing the lower end models. Asha line anyway had more sale than Lumia, which prompted Nokia to bolster this segment with low cost Androids, without Gapps, which would give buyers the opportunity to get low cost Androids from Nokia and not from the likes of Micromax, Lava, et al.

And below 10K, Samsung's Android offerings are good as long as one doesn't use the phone for making things other than calling and texting.

 

[m-jeri]

Please go through these links and try to understand the concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conglomerate_(company)

 

[AMG]

http://www.bgr.in/manufacturers/nokia/nokia-x-rooted-to-run-play-store-and-google-apps/

 

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In most of the markets, smartphones are selling more than the feature phones; which is why Nokia is replacing the lower end models. Asha line anyway had more sale than Lumia, which prompted Nokia to bolster this segment with low cost Androids, without Gapps, which would give buyers the opportunity to get low cost Androids from Nokia and not from the likes of Micromax, Lava, et al.

And below 10K, Samsung's Android offerings are good as long as one doesn't use the phone for making things other than calling and texting.

Here is my point in one line.

nokia offering android phones = don't buy a wp8 phone

Counters welcome. Though i think its a valid point.

 

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Pretty disappointed with the X+ and XL feature set. X+ especially shouldnt have been with a fixed focus and a mere 3MP camera.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...hones-unveiledat-MWC/articleshow/30941147.cms

yep, circa 2011 specs with circa 2007 era camera. big whoop.

520/620 or motorola g are/were so much better.

Seems like either they are not too much interested, or want to scuttle their future chances.

post#2 is saying the same thing

 

[ruiner21]

^^ XL has a 5mp autofocus camera. Though only 480p recording.

 

[vivek.krishnan]

Actually - I think Nokia using Android was more or less expected when I found other people complaining the same with Asha. Having burnt my fingers literally with the 501 - Good body and design, every thing else was more or less crap. And the worst part was the sound - I aint so much of an audiophile - but the clarity even at 60% was bad - Karbonn/Micromax have much better sound.

Anyways, moving on - they came with the 500 and others, which looked to me like cosmetic changes. And I guess I was right.

Now that Nokia has decided to use Android, its a win for Google, and Nokia to some extent. Not MS. Nokia's X series of phones would be more successful than the cheaper budget stuff from the likes of Karbonn etc. Google no longer makes handsets, so Nokia's X series is not competing with them. Using Android means that Android apps are more valuable. As for why its a win for Nokia only to some extent? Thats because Nokia waited too long to do something like this.

As a MS company, what Nokia should have done is that gotten MS to give WP for cheap OR free for their budget phones, and use the same hardware. That would be better than having to support 3 OSes simultaneously.

As far as the arguments of blr_p : Google cannot stop Nokia from making an open Android handset. But, Microsoft can, and so, I would agree with his views that MS could drop support for it anytime. On a funnier note, can the X devices be infringing on any so called patents

On a side note, I find that Party Monger seems more of a Microsoft spokesperson/3rd party PR. Too much defensive + coverage of Microsoft products, which, seeing that they aint good, and complicated licensing agreements.

 

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Now that Nokia has decided to use Android, its a win for Google, and Nokia to some extent. Not MS.

yeah, can say that for now. Let's see in 6 months time.

MS is fairly secure in the tablet space but the phone space is an open question.

As for why its a win for Nokia only to some extent? Thats because Nokia waited too long to do something like this.

As a MS company, what Nokia should have done is that gotten MS to give WP for cheap OR free for their budget phones, and use the same hardware. That would be better than having to support 3 OSes simultaneously.

Begs the question, why now. Is nokia hedging. To support more than one OS for a company that is in the red means there must be compelling reasons.

As far as the arguments of blr_p : Google cannot stop Nokia from making an open Android handset. But, Microsoft can, and so, I would agree with his views that MS could drop support for it anytime. On a funnier note, can the X devices be infringing on any so called patents

The people raving about the X are insignificant. They want to sideload apps and remove whatever traces MS has on this phone and get their goggle fix.

99.9% of the demographic that the X is aimed at think rooting is something that happens in the garden. And android is something they need to run more apps.

On a side note, I find that Party Monger seems more of a Microsoft spokesperson/3rd party PR. Too much defensive + coverage of Microsoft products, which, seeing that they aint good, and complicated licensing agreements.

He owns a wp8 phone, i found his position in this thread rather odd. He should not have been pleased with this move at all. Basically, its ok to own a budget wp8 phone but if you have more money you're better off without WP8 or if forced a second hand flagship WP8 from a previous generation. Loads of those around, perfectly capable just unceremoniously dumped.

You don't want to buy a current nokia flagship. As if you did not need more reasons now Nokia just gave you another.

 

[m-jeri]

You are just ignorant.

 

[ayanavish]

As a MS company, what Nokia should have done is that gotten MS to give WP for cheap OR free for their budget phones, and use the same hardware. That would be better than having to support 3 OSes simultaneously.

Even if Nokia / MS give WP for free or cheap still one major hurdle that they face won't be solved -- which is the lack of apps for the platform and one primary reason why enough people are not getting converted from other platforms to WP. At least going the open source Android route, and not Google's, will help Nokia in their device sales and keep people tied to MS ecosystem. An Android device coming from the stables of Nokia created a lot of publicity for the brand -- and as per sales sayings go, publicity is always good - positive or negative - and can be channelized to sales volume.

In all likelihood, they will phase out 1 OS and retain only 2 - Android for the mass and WP for higher end devices. It would be very interesting to see where they stand 6 months from now.

 

[Party Monger]

Actually - I think Nokia using Android was more or less expected when I found other people complaining the same with Asha. Having burnt my fingers literally with the 501 - Good body and design, every thing else was more or less crap. And the worst part was the sound - I aint so much of an audiophile - but the clarity even at 60% was bad - Karbonn/Micromax have much better sound.

Anyways, moving on - they came with the 500 and others, which looked to me like cosmetic changes. And I guess I was right.

Now that Nokia has decided to use Android, its a win for Google, and Nokia to some extent. Not MS. Nokia's X series of phones would be more successful than the cheaper budget stuff from the likes of Karbonn etc. Google no longer makes handsets, so Nokia's X series is not competing with them. Using Android means that Android apps are more valuable. As for why its a win for Nokia only to some extent? Thats because Nokia waited too long to do something like this.

As a MS company, what Nokia should have done is that gotten MS to give WP for cheap OR free for their budget phones, and use the same hardware. That would be better than having to support 3 OSes simultaneously.

As far as the arguments of blr_p : Google cannot stop Nokia from making an open Android handset. But, Microsoft can, and so, I would agree with his views that MS could drop support for it anytime. On a funnier note, can the X devices be infringing on any so called patents

On a side note, I find that Party Monger seems more of a Microsoft spokesperson/3rd party PR. Too much defensive + coverage of Microsoft products, which, seeing that they aint good, and complicated licensing agreements.

I agree with a lot of that. I just thought from an entrepreneur's point of view replacing s40 with android was was a slamdunk idea. Which is also what you seem to say. Now how does that make me a MS spokesperson? Nokia going into a very popular segment seems like a good thing to me. I've used Nokia phones exclusively for god know how many years now. More than a decade atleast.

The problem I have is when you say WP8 is no good. I think Its awesome. Having used it for a year now. I think it kicksass. Yeah an app here or there is missing. But it has a formidable library of apps. I was never left wanting for any app. And I am atleast a semi-pro user.

yeah, can say that for now. Let's see in 6 months time.

MS is fairly secure in the tablet space but the phone space is an open question.


Begs the question, why now. Is nokia hedging. To support more than one OS for a company that is in the red means there must be compelling reasons.


The people raving about the X are insignificant. They want to sideload apps and remove whatever traces MS has on this phone and get their goggle fix.

99.9% of the demographic that the X is aimed at think rooting is something that happens in the garden. And android is something they need to run more apps.


He owns a wp8 phone, i found his position in this thread rather odd. He should not have been pleased with this move at all. Basically, its ok to own a budget wp8 phone but if you have more money you're better off without WP8 or if forced a second hand flagship WP8 from a previous generation. Loads of those around, perfectly capable just unceremoniously dumped.

You don't want to buy a current nokia flagship. As if you did not need more reasons now Nokia just gave you another.

Thats what bots do. Oh android suxor, WP8 roxx. WP8 is an awesome OS and I have little to complain about it. But it probably wont run on a Rs 3-4k phone. And android instead of S40 gives a great experience for those people. How is that conflicting in any manner? Why is it so hard for you to get such a simple point?

This is a Nokia thread, and yes I love Nokia since their products have served me well for more than a decade, and you can use that against me If i was throwing stupid logic around like you.

 

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I agree with a lot of that. I just thought from an entrepreneur's point of view replacing s40 with android was was a slamdunk idea. Which is also what you seem to say. Now how does that make me a MS spokesperson? Nokia going into a very popular segment seems like a good thing to me. I've used Nokia phones exclusively for god know how many years now. More than a decade atleast.

You're not a MS spokesperson, i assumed the role of a diehard WP8 radical and you did not bite one bit

No attempt by you to put a spin on this development .

Thats what bots do. Oh android suxor, WP8 roxx. WP8 is an awesome OS and I have little to complain about it. But it probably wont run on a Rs 3-4k phone. And android instead of S40 gives a great experience for those people. How is that conflicting in any manner? Why is it so hard for you to get such a simple point?

Because if WP8 can't do it then offering android in lieu amounts to treason !

Why put android in the hands of people that want a low cost phone. They are very large in numbers. What do they graduate to after when they can spend more. Not a wp8 phone, is it. This move adds to the already very large legions of android users.

People are cheering the introduction of this phone but the far more important point is the decisions behind it. The benefits or costs of which will become more clear with time. Right now i don't get a good feeling about it.

The problem I have is when you say WP8 is no good. I think Its awesome. Having used it for a year now. I think it kicksass. Yeah an app here or there is missing. But it has a formidable library of apps. I was never left wanting for any app. And I am atleast a semi-pro user.

Weren't we told WP8 needs less resources than android, how it can work with 512MB RAM. So what excuses can you give for WP8 not to run on this phone ?

This is a Nokia thread, and yes I love Nokia since their products have served me well for more than a decade, and you can use that against me If i was throwing stupid logic around like you.

This means to you all that matters is Nokia, that the OS its phones currently run on is irrelevant.

I think its important for the consumer that WP8 survive and grow healthier, otherwise there is no way to arrest the domination and potential hegemony of android in the mobile space. Anti-trust suits by USG or EU notwithstanding.

 

[Party Monger]

You're not a MS spokesperson, i assumed the role of a diehard WP8 radical and you did not bite one bit

No attempt by you to put a spin on this development .


Because if WP8 can't do it then offering android in lieu amounts to treason !

Why put android in the hands of people that want a low cost phone. They are very large in numbers. What do they graduate to after when they can spend more. Not a wp8 phone, is it. This move adds to the already very large legions of android users.

People are cheering the introduction of this phone but the far more important point is the decisions behind it. The benefits or costs of which will become more clear with time. Right now i don't get a good feeling about it.


Weren't we told WP8 needs less resources than android, how it can work with 512MB RAM. So what excuses can you give for WP8 not to run on this phone ?


This means to you all that matters is Nokia, that the OS its phones currently run on is irrelevant.

I think its important for the consumer that WP8 survive and grow healthier, otherwise there is no way to arrest the domination and potential hegemony of android in the mobile space. Anti-trust suits by USG or EU notwithstanding.

*Facepalm*

Nokia has 3 category of phones.
> Highend phones (above 8-9k) - Windows phone
> Budget phones- 3-8k - Asha Phones
> Low end feature phones- 1-3k

Now they needed a new os for their budget phones instead of s60. And they got an amazing, free and app filled ecosystem option in AOSP. They aren't replacing the high end nokias with WP. Just the budget phones.

Low end phones including WP8 license cost wont be lowend anymore. Also WP8 on lowend hardware will be a bad experience and hence spoil the image of the OS. No one has anything against WP8. Personally I think WP8 is better at getting things done. But at that price android is a winner.
[DOUBLEPOST=1394036665][/DOUBLEPOST]So got a warning from a Mod cause this Troll doesn't understand simple shit. *facepalmmax*
Lesson learn, guess we're supposed to not engage these *beeps*. Leaving the thread and any future trolls by this guy. Not worth the headache if the Mods themselves favour idiots and cant figure out a troll when they see one.

Ps- I beeped that out not a mod.

 

[mathrisk]

Nokia X Listed Online For Rs 8500

 

[ayanavish]

Should have followed this pricing structure -- Nokia X €89 (Rs. 7600), the Nokia X+ €99 (Rs. 8500) and the Nokia XL €109 (Rs. 9300).