Nokia Lumia 800 - Heavy Pricing ?

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Leave out the screen and even the HTC Explorer has better build quality than a Galaxy S.
 
red dragon said:
Ok, we always talked and treated itunes as a piece if sh#t, why is no one talking about the super crappy zune software in lumia thread?
It is heavily dependent on this cr@pware.
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To put it simply; because it ain't! :)
 
red dragon said:
1.Almost all android phones which are priced near the ip4 has extremely smooth interface(even the sgs2, which is still cheaper than ip4 is buttery smooth)
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Barring a few high end Android phones, none of them offer the smoothness of an ip4 or a Windows phone 7. I can affirm to that. My colleague recently got a Optimus Black and i was shocked to see an 18.5k phone lagging between screens with the 1GHz proccy and 512MB RAM. I made my mom and another friend get the Dell Venue Pro for 20.5k which is like 10 times smoother even when filled to the brim with apps and data.

red dragon said:
2.afaik HW is not about a great chassis only, it also includes whatever is there under the hood.

Though I agree completely, wp7 does not need dual cores.
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In the present day and age, WP7 does not need dual cores. After the Mango update, my HD7 was around 1.5 times more fast than before. And it was amazingly fast earlier too. Even now, there are close to 100 apps and barely 500MB free and no lag.

With great power, comes great responsibility. iOS and Windows Phone 7 understand this, Android does not. The end result? The non-geek user, which is the majority out there whether you believe it or not, gets fed up of constantly trying to optimize his phone to get the best performance.

red dragon said:
3.Finally, pricing from Nokia for Lumia 800 is simply ridiculous!!

They just can not charge a premium for their brand name, at least for now.

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This point I agree totally.

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Maestro said:
To put it simply; because it ain't! :)
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Zune is nowhere as bad as iTunes. I would suggest you using it properly. It does consume quite a lot of resources sometime but that's about it.
 
^ I think @Maestro was saying that it isn't crappy. Zune is pretty good actually, though given a choice, I would really not have it.
 
^^ Agreed , i'd like an option for mass storage << a simple change in the registry enables this btw :D >> but Zune ain't anywhere close to being as bad as iTunes !
 
agantuk said:
^ I think @Maestro was saying that it isn't crappy. Zune is pretty good actually, though given a choice, I would really not have it.
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This.

I've been using Zune as my main music player for years now, way before I had a WP7 (or even a Zune). It's almost perfect at this.

However, as a smartphone companion(?), it's a little lacking, which is why I would love a UMS mode, even though it will never (officially) happen.

Since we're discussing this, if you purchase an app via Zune marketplace, does it automatically get downloaded on your device? I had to manually download them from my phone?
 
^^ Now that i got it scrobbling to Last.FM via ZuseMe , its my de-facto music player and that is when i purchased a gold license for MediaMonkey a few months back !

I haven't tried downloading from the Marketplace as i tend to use very selected apps , i'll give it a shot again though. Zune is easily the most beautiful music player out there though.
 
If Wp7 doesn't need dual core ,then why are they coming with the Apollo update which will support dual cores ?

TBH,ridiculous pricing from Nokia.

I feel Mr.Elop needs to realise they are not the Smart Phone market leaders.
 
@dhruv : What do you mean by build quality ? I guess you haven't seen the drop test video on IP4S and SGS2
 
ramanujpatro said:
If Wp7 doesn't need dual core ,then why are they coming with the Apollo update which will support dual cores ?
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WP7.5 may not need dual-core processors right now, but this won't always be the case. It would be great to have them when the software is properly optimized for them, and not a moment sooner. If the OS flies now, it will be even better then.

Secondly, better to have and not need than to need and not have.

ramanujpatro said:
TBH,ridiculous pricing from Nokia.
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QFT.

5k cheaper (assuming its 29k) would have been the sweet spot; any cheaper and it can't possibly be considered premium.
 
I'd say 26k would be the sweet spot. The HW is definitely premium no matter how you look at it << not talking about processor specs >> . That glass just flows into the polycarbonate shell. sexy :)

WP7.5 doesn't need dual core right now... once the OS is optimized for it , why not ? Honestly speaking... i have a G. Note sitting right here and other than 1080p video playback , i see absolutely no reason for dual cores. The way Android phones are pushing cores and clock speeds is ridiculous. You can flame me all you want but when a phone running on a year old processor is smoother than the latest dual core handset, there is something fundamentally wrong.

// just my two thoughts.. And to put it across , i'm not trying to convince anyone to join the WP7 bandwagon , but don't diss the seriously good work that MS has done on this OS in such a short time << talking about the Mango update , WP sucked balls before that >>

Maestro said:
WP7.5 may not need dual-core processors right now, but this won't always be the case. It would be great to have them when the software is properly optimized for them, and not a moment sooner. If the OS flies now, it will be even better then.

Secondly, better to have and not need than to need and not have.

QFT.

5k cheaper (assuming its 29k) would have been the sweet spot; any cheaper and it can't possibly be considered premium.
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Yeah I think pricing is an issue, but I think that will come down in a few months or so within reasonable range.

But one thing is for sure, Lumia has got a lot of attention worldwide, and I do think it deserves it. If you get a chance to play with it, it's not hard to understand how beautifully the software is integrated with the hardware. It just flows. Nokia's clearblack display is amazing, and I think they should come out with more designs like this. To be very honest, Galaxy S2 might have better hardware (specwise), but in case of in-hand feel and the overall looks the Lumia/n9 will run circles around it any day. It's just that spectacular to look and behold.

I agree with Dhruv, Windows Mango deserves much more attention than it is getting it right now. People are going crazy over its limitations while they seem to be loving a certain iOS which also has a more or less closed ecosystem. With the right kind of support, I don't see any problem in future that Windows Mobile can not compete against Android/iOS.

It is much more polished, simpler to handle, and fun to use. Apollo hopefully will add a touch of customizability as well into it. But kudos to Nokia at least for daring into the unknown.

Dhruv,

Maybe a show-off thread coming from me pretty soon bro :ohyeah:
 
dhruvrock2000 said:
I'd say 26k would be the sweet spot. The HW is definitely premium no matter how you look at it << not talking about processor specs >> . That glass just flows into the polycarbonate shell. sexy :)
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I'll have to take your word for it, since I haven't had a chance to see/hold it yet :(

WP7.5 doesn't need dual core right now... once the OS is optimized for it , why not ?

// just my two thoughts.. And to put it across , i'm not trying to convince anyone to join the WP7 bandwagon , but don't diss the seriously good work that MS has done on this OS in such a short time << talking about the Mango update , WP sucked balls before that >>
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Nope, WP7.5 doesn't need a dual-core processor. What it really could do with is a much better GPU!

The Adreno 200 is an ancient GPU, and unfortunately. all WP devices comes saddled with this (now) POS. A lot of people buy iDevices because it has a lot going for it gaming-wise. The iPhone 4x and SGS2 run circles round each and every WP phone. MS could really do with loosening the hardware noose in this regard. It would do the ecosystem a world of good. Ditto with the cost of games.

Eg: Nokia Lumia 800 with the Mali 400(?) gpu of the SGS2 or any equivalent would be a killer device.

ChironX said:
Yeah I think pricing is an issue, but I think that will come down in a few months or so within reasonable range.
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Hopefully, although with the INR free-falling as it is, I wouldn't hope for a significant decrease.:(

I agree with Dhruv, Windows Mango deserves much more attention than it is getting it right now. People are going crazy over its limitations while they seem to be loving a certain iOS which also has a more or less closed ecosystem. With the right kind of support, I don't see any problem in future that Windows Phone can not compete against Android/iOS.
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Well, here's the rub. People are swayed by 'more=better', (to be fair, this can be very true in some cases). It's a perception thing, which MS and all WP OEMs could do better to counter. However, doing this would cut into their Android margins (barring Nokia), which contribute far more to their respective bottom lines than any WP phone.
 
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