Pc vs workstation cost for animation and video rendering

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ALPHA17 said:
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You don't need that much computing power the Core i7 950 will be more than enough for your needs, for thread value the AMD is also worth a look as it costs the same price but six cores < though no virtualization (Hyper-Threading) > or yo may buy the RIG mentioned in the post by gcbeldar.

Quadro graphics are optimized for working on lighting/ shading/ texture units more than the Geforce cards but are slightly inferior in gaming performance, they are also very power efficient at the current level 4000-series the gaming performance is comparable to a decent mid-range gamin card :). Overview

Look in the end is upto you, the Workstation will need to be maintained like a workstation< AC setup > and your upgrade path will be restricted by the supplier you bought the workstation from + if you'll go for AMD + 12GB RAM kit + NZXT Tempest EVO cabinet + Quadro Card it should touch maximum a lakh.

So make your decision on these factors bruv :) happy Rig hunt Bench - CPU - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News ~ Core i7 vs. AMD Phenom IIx6
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I know AMD has no hyper threading meaning a 6 core will only process 6 threads and not double.

AMD is a big problem for me. 9 years back when I bought my first computer, I was looking for an AMD and none of the dealers here in Kolkata will sell me an AMD. They said its not available. and I doubt still anyone here will sell me AMD.

I always try to go local when buying electronic/computer stuff as the service and maintaining cost will be less in future.

Quite frankly we are more confused than we were before.

I believe Geforce GTX 480 is a high end game graphic card in GTX range? While Quadro is a bit slightly inferior with games, and my brother is a hard core gamer too.

Quadros are meant for workstation and workstations are never good with games.

So really confused here. The question still here is Geforce GTX or Quadro?

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Gaurish said:
Another option is, instead of buying expensive hardware & software just for learning. get a decent config to learn and then offload complex rendering jobs to the cloud. Utilize the power of cloud computing

use a service like this:
BlenderCloud - your virtual renderfarm
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My brother is not buying for learning. He has 10 yrs of experience in the designing field and now he wishes to come up with a full blown home studio for production of animated movies, ads and games.

He is currently working on a game and requires the setup to complete that work.

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stormblast said:
you can get a dual xeon rig for around 2L-2.2L with 2 x 6core intel xeon processors & 24gigs ram. It will have 24threads. As i see you havent mentioned a budget so you can go for this. supermicro is available here in mumbai.
optionally you can go for what zhops has mentioned.
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The budget is 1 lac, and ready to go upto 1.5 for a good machine.

wished to buy one 6 core processor now and later if need be add another 6 core say in 1 yr time.

So yes looking for 2 slot motherboards but my brother was told consumer pcs do not support double slot and have to look for server boards.

That is again going to cost and its better to buy workstation because then he will have at least 3 years guarantee.

Will there be guarantee for an assembled computer?

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ALPHA17 said:
I doubt he might need to do that, he might get an Enterprise edition of Windows.
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Yes thats what I was looking for.

This machine is being bought especially for rendering videos from after effects and blender. He has a laptop and pc where he will be doing the animation and designing stuff etc but music production, sfx videos and rendering will be done through this machine, as the other pc is not equipped with a graphic card.

My brother has joined the forum, and waiting for his first post to be approved, he will soon join the discussion.
 
Thank You for everyone who replied. This is Sunny, Sumeets brother- the person who needs the rig. Took me some time to get this account verified.
 
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Much better to go for Quadro instead of Geforce GTX 480 then in my views atleast even the cheap one will render and texture better than a 480 yeah but gaming will take a hit.
 
Ok the vendor just gave us this List

Now help us choose. Brother thinks that even z400 will do keeping in mind if Quadro 2000 is good enough. We can spend money on Monitors and Ram and HDD if we select the Z400 model.

LJ916PA#ACJ* Z400 Intel Xeon W3530 2.80 8MB/1066 QC 6GB(3x2GB) ECC DDR3-1333 500GB SATA NVIDIA Quadro 2000 - 1GB 3D 16X DVD+-RW Win7 64 bit OS 85% Efficient 3-3-3 102,920 High 3D & Analysis - All Segments Catia, ProE, NX, Maya, Max, AutoCAD, Inventor, SolidEdge, SolidWorks< Max, Maya, NX, ProE etc
XS004PA#ACJ Z400 Intel Xeon W3530 2.80 8MB/1066 QC 6GB(3x2GB) ECC DDR3-1333 500GB SATA ATI FirePro V4800 1GB 3D 16X DVD+-RW Win7 64 bit OS 85% Efficient 3-3-3 90,930 High 3D & Analysis - All Segments Catia, ProE, NX, Maya, Max, AutoCAD, Inventor, SolidEdge, SolidWorks< Max, Maya, NX, ProE etc
LA105PA#ACJ Z600 RDIMM Single Intel Xeon QC E5507 2.26 4MB/800 6GB(3x2GB) ECC DDR3-1333 1TB SATA NVIDIA Quadro 2000 - 1GB 3D 16X DVD+-RW Win7 64 bit OS 85% Efficient 3-3-3 120,215 High end 3D & Analysis - All Segments - Win 7 Catia, ProE, NX, Maya, Max, AutoCAD, Inventor, SolidEdge, SolidWorks, Max, Maya, NX, ProE etc
XS013PA#ACJ Z600 RDIMM Single Intel Xeon QC E5507 2.26 4MB/800 6GB(3x2GB) ECC DDR3-1333 1TB SATA ATI FirePro V4800 1GB 3D 16X DVD+-RW Win7 64 bit OS 85% Efficient 3-3-3 108,150 High end 3D & Analysis - All Segments - Win 7 Catia, ProE, NX, Maya, Max, AutoCAD, Inventor, SolidEdge, SolidWorks, Max, Maya, NX, ProE etc


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Here the Geforce quadro 2000 specifications http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13827_div/13827_div.HTML
 
i would rather go for 2 machines rather than dual cpu machines , the advantage being of you can render on one and work on the other , if it is a single cpu unit , that will be a deterrent
 
kippu said:
i would rather go for 2 machines rather than dual cpu machines , the advantage being of you can render on one and work on the other , if it is a single cpu unit , that will be a deterrent
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If I have a double display meaning two monitors as Quadro supports two monitors display, cant we render on one and use the other display to work?

Heres a comparison of quadro and firepro - this should be stickied somewhere will really help gamers and professionals to distinguish graphic cards

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/quadrofx-firepro.html

Sorry for the double post, something went wrong.
 
^^ Quadro 2000 is essentially like a Professional version of GTS450. Go for it only if the purpose of the workstation is limited to professional work like rendering. It does not make such a good option for gaming.

Secondly remember that getting HDD/RAM upgraded via HP would be usually uber costly compared to market prices and doing it yourself would void the warranty.
 
OK then anyone knows any dealer in Kolkata which can provide a server cpu setup, so we can assemble pc?

We think going for quad core and 12 gb ram with Quadro 4800 will be the best option.

play normally multi- player games like league of legends and that runs even on my laptop without external graphic cards, so it will definitely work for quadro.

Read in the comparison that special detailings are unlocked in the quadro which are not available in gaming cards, so yes quadro 4800 is what we should go for.

Any one can give price difference between quadro 2000 and 4800?
 
Sumeet a.k.a NEO said:
OK then anyone knows any dealer in Kolkata which can provide a server cpu setup, so we can assemble pc?

We think going for quad core and 12 gb ram with Quadro 4800 will be the best option.

play normally multi- player games like league of legends and that runs even on my laptop without external graphic cards, so it will definitely work for quadro.

Read in the comparison that special detailings are unlocked in the quadro which are not available in gaming cards, so yes quadro 4800 is what we should go for.

Any one can give price difference between quadro 2000 and 4800?
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Sumeet a.k.a NEO said:
If I have a double display meaning two monitors as Quadro supports two monitors display, cant we render on one and use the other display to work?
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Ehh...you will be using the CPU to render, not the monitor. If you have just one PC, then you will have to disable a couple of cpu cores while rendering if you want to continue working. i.e., use only 6 threads for rendering so that the remaining 2 threads are free.

You can get 2 machines in 1L. 1100t, 8gb ram etc.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
^^ Quadro 2000 is essentially like a Professional version of GTS450. Go for it only if the purpose of the workstation is limited to professional work like rendering. It does not make such a good option for gaming.

Secondly remember that getting HDD/RAM upgraded via HP would be usually uber costly compared to market prices and doing it yourself would void the warranty.
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I was speaking about the Quadro 4000, in the beginning but later slid to the Quadro 2000. I have seen the Quadro 4000 play a game at full HD on a Dell Ultrasharp U2311H and no tearing, skipping or apparent lag was visible :), so thats my two bits worth contribution that OP goes with a Quadro based card < Quadro 4000 > if gaming kicks in.

Rest I totally agree that going the branded way means incurring huge costs for minor upgrades, like RAM HDD, and in assembled OP has choice of a SSD for Primary functions and RAID setup for security < RAID 1 > 2* 1TB HDD's.
 
zhopudey said:
Ehh...you will be using the CPU to render, not the monitor. If you have just one PC, then you will have to disable a couple of cpu cores while rendering if you want to continue working. i.e., use only 6 threads for rendering so that the remaining 2 threads are free.

You can get 2 machines in 1L. 1100t, 8gb ram etc.
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How can I get two machines for 1 lac, when just the quadro will come for 50k+ ?

Please give me some config for two machines then? Obviosuly these will each have 8 gb max ram instead of 12 or 16?

Maybe I can put quadro in one and geforce in another?

I am looking at all the options you guys gave me.
 
Here is the only review I've ever found which compares professional and gaming cards - Welcome to CGarchitect.com

Consumer Cards vs Professional Series Cards

As the results indicate, in many cases there is not a large difference between the consumer series cards and the professionals cards and at times the consumer cards even outperform. To ensure this is a balanced review and provides information required to make an informed decision, I've outlined some of the differences and benefits of the more expensive professional cards. I'll leave it up to you, the reader, to decide how important those items are for your pipeline.
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I'm not that up-to-date with the latest prices, but you can go thru the other PC recommendation threads and get an excellent config for 50K. :)
 
ALPHA17 said:
What is your budget bruv, I would recommend you go for the following RIG < the I7 980X costs ~ 50K so it is very hard to accommodate into even a budget of even 1.5 Lakhs

Intel Core i7 950 ~ 15K
Gigabyte X58A UD3R/ SABERTOOTH X58 board ~ 12K --- 14K GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1366 - GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0)/ASUSTeK Computer Inc. - Motherboards - ASUS SABERTOOTH X58
RAM ~ Corsair Dominator/ Corsair Vengeance/ G.Skill Pi TRI CHANNEL Memory Kits 2*6GB = 12 GB ~ 10K --- 15K Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Memory/Corsair Dominator DDR3 Memory/G.SKILL-Products
Graphics Card ~ Nvidia Quadro 4000 series/ ATi FirePro V 8800/ 9800 ~ 45K --- 55K NVIDIA Workstation/ATI FirePro
PSU ~ Corsair AX 750 or Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 750 W ---- ??? no idea so wait for others to tell Modular PSUs - Power Supplies/Silent Pro Gold 700W - Cooler Master
Cabinet ~ NZXT Tempest EVO or your choice ~ 5.7K --- 15K NZXT :: Unique. Unprecendented. Inspired - Tempest EVO Product Detail
Monitor Dell U2311H ~ 14K UltraSharp U2311H 23 inch Monitor Details | Dell India
For HDD get a Corsair or Intel SSD < 256 GB > + 2x 1TB Segate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA III ~ the SSD will give speedy time for most of your animation Apps and the rest act as surplus dump for Projects/ Games/ Music etc.
UPS get the APC Smart UPS as toolius mentioned Smart-UPS - Product Information

For CPU cooling get the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ as it doesn't seem your friend is OCing a great deal, I'm not aware of water cooling and audio departments so I have no comment suffice to say he doesn't need Audiophile stuff in animation, I tried to cram up the above without estimate cause I think you can do that by collating a better rig with matching other components in the above suggestions and mine

-- QUADRO and FirePro Graphics of the mid- range ( 45K to 100K range ) can easily play most games at full settings and draw less power than the gaming cards + they are certified for better rendering/ texturing/ lighting detail :)
-- You don't need a OC friendly board do run animation application I run MAYA on a AMD 785G system + 4GB RAM + ATi HD 5770 and I game too:)
-- hope your friend has a good time in animation and gaming
-- More RAM helps MAYA

If you are open to AMD as well here is alternate AMD based RIG
AMD Phenom IIx6 1090T ~ 11K AMD Phenom II X6 1090T & 1055T Six-Core Processors Review | Hardware Canucks
For RAM same as in Intel RIG
Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 ~ 9K Review - Asus M4A89GTD Pro/USB Motherboard Review | bit-tech.net
Cabinet same as Intel Rig
Graphics also same Quadro 4000-series or GTX 570 if you don't want Quadro < the 570 plaster the 480 and sucks lesser power >
PSU same as Intel Rig and same for the Cooling solution for the CPU

-- The AMD RIG is cheaper to set-up.
-- Provides more or less same performance.

In the end is up to you bruv, what to buy :)
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Alpha will Intel Xeon 4 core fit on Gigabyte X58A UD3R or SABERTOOTH X58 ?

I am going for two computers one for gaming and one for rendering, so buying one xeon quad core for each?

Also are 6 GB ram available? My computer person told me only 4 gb is available?

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Heres the final config for the first computer, I will buy the second computer after few months, when I get the animation pipeline ready.
Computer Config
Processor - Intel i7 950 Quad Core – 8 threads.
Mother board – - Gigabyte X58A UD3R or SABERTOOTH X58 (should support 24 GB Ram)
Graphics Card – - NVIDIA Quadro FX4000 - 2GB 3D (buying the computer for this graphic card)
RAM - 12 GB Ram ddr3
Monitor - Dell 19 inch (should support High Definition)
HDD - 1 TB HardDisk Seagate
Fan - Cooler Master Hyper 212+
Liquid Cooling for the processor.
2 separate fans for the cpu (as heating is a big problem at my house).
PSU - Silent Pro Gold 700W (RS-700-80GA-D3)
Cabinet - Tempest EVO (if we find in India), should support 8 usb slots.
DVD RW 16 X
 
Sumeet a.k.a NEO said:
Alpha will Intel Xeon 4 core fit on Gigabyte X58A UD3R or SABERTOOTH X58 ?

I am going for two computers one for gaming and one for rendering, so buying one xeon quad core for each?

Also are 6 GB ram available? My computer person told me only 4 gb is available?
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you can use an LGA1366 Xeon on Gigabyte X58A UD3R but not on a Asus according to te member "Shripad"

6GB are easily available in Calcutta & online

Buy Corsair 3x2GB, DDR3, CMX6GX3M3A1600C9 in Mumbai India
 
Sumeet a.k.a NEO said:
Alpha will Intel Xeon 4 core fit on Gigabyte X58A UD3R or SABERTOOTH X58 ?

I am going for two computers one for gaming and one for rendering, so buying one xeon quad core for each?

Also are 6 GB ram available? My computer person told me only 4 gb is available?

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Heres the final config for the first computer, I will buy the second computer after few months, when I get the animation pipeline ready.

Computer Config

Processor - Intel i7 950 Quad Core – 8 threads.

Mother board – - Gigabyte X58A UD3R or SABERTOOTH X58 (should support 24 GB Ram)

Graphics Card – - NVIDIA Quadro FX4000 - 2GB 3D (buying the computer for this graphic card)

RAM - 12 GB Ram ddr3

Monitor - Dell 19 inch (should support High Definition)

HDD - 1 TB HardDisk Seagate

Fan - Cooler Master Hyper 212+

Liquid Cooling for the processor.

2 separate fans for the cpu (as heating is a big problem at my house).

PSU - Silent Pro Gold 700W (RS-700-80GA-D3)

Cabinet - Tempest EVO (if we find in India), should support 8 usb slots.

DVD RW 16 X
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Change the DVD Writer to standard LG/ Samsung ~ 1K

The NZXT Tempest comes with only 2 USB headers in front you'll need to buy a powered adapter to power more from one of the ports, even my Cooler Master Scout has only 4 USB headers in front, but rest number of USB ports is dependent on the motherboard , I think the UD3R has 8 USB ports on its backplate including two USB 3 ports.

If you look to overclock a lot then go for liquid cooling else the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is a STEAL for ~ 1.8K. + I think you can get a SSD in your budget they are much faster but cost a bomb, get yourself one for the OS and other critical apps such as MAYA and the 1 TB HDD for dumping rest things like project, music, game setups etc.
 
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