PS3 launches 11/17--$499 for 20GB, $599 for 60GB

[Params7]

Param = Sony spokesperson.

Duh! The question is WHEN???

It is like an ISP offering to wire up your house with a 1 gbps fibre optic connection, and guess what, they will only charge you 100$ for installation. Oh yeah, while they will wire up your house today, service will only commence in 2030.

What am I going to do with the damned thing now??? Until movies hit exclusively in that format, no one will give a damn. For now, DVDs are fine. I don't care for that extra content crap, where the extra content consists of dumb interviews, "the making of POS", and other such supposed goodies.

What have you been kicked out of house or something? That wasn't needed. Just because i support Blu-Ray, like millions others you come up here and call me a Sony Spokesperson. XD. That's lame.

This is the next-generation. People are supposed to create some hype about it. Oooh, oh look there's something new on the block much bigger and better than the DVD! Too bad it doesn't excite you. Guess you need to be handed over a Big Boy e-cookie.

You ask when? well what do you think? Ps3 sells like crazy and promotes blu-ray, and withing a year or two you get exclusivities, it can take longer or less than that, why should i care, what matters is i got a blu-ray player sitting right there at home waiting for the shiny new media to show up. You know it works like like the latest GPU's, i see guys here going out of there way to get them latest 40k one's. Why? 'Cause they're latest! And pretty soon there are going to be the regular. There are always the first one's to get it!

So what's your fuss if state a simple fact that Blu-Ray coming in much cheaper with the Ps3? And that if you buy the Ps3, you'll end up on a much better deal than 400$ one's from Samsung.

To satisfy yourself, i gues you should go out with this poster -

" DON'T BUY A PS3! THERE IS STILL TIME FOR BLU-RAY TO BECOME EXCLUSIVE AND REPLACE DVD'S. DON'T BE A SONY SPOKESPERSON! "

out at the opening day of the Ps3 launch in front of the shops where you will see people camping the night before the store opens. That'll be much effective than calling people names on some freakin' tech forum.

In fact, why don't you wait for the cell to come to PC's and do your stupid linux experiments on that.

I fear for the X360 and HD-DVD fanboys, because pretty soon they are going to be labelled ' Microsoft Spokesperson ' by someone here and which i think is much worse than being a called the one from Sony, i should be grateful. Same goes for Ipod owners, and Sony Ericsoon fan boys, and Nvidia's....

As for graphics on Wii, well graphics don't seem to be a concern to all too many. Why the hell do you think people actually buy into the horrible screen quality of nGage etc? Frankly, for all the next gen graphics and all of new computers etc, they still are no where near the "cinematic effects" they all promised us back when DX9 came in. As far as I am concerned, either effects are cinematic (and we should be happy to spend mega bucks), or they are not and we need only be concerned about clean and pretty looking graphics, not necessarily obscenely megatextured monstrosities.

My turn. "DUH!" i never really said anything on that context. About my Gamecube comment, i guess everyone will be able to see a generations gap between the gfx of a game being played on X360/Ps3 and Wii/Gamecube. I don't care if next-gen bring out cinematic effects or not, its just one step at a time. What i do care is i don't want to be stuck with outdated gfx on Wii, that's my opinion, subject to change, nothing you can do about it.

And ngage just sold miserably. people NEVER bought into the ngage, Nokia themselves said it (A real Nokia Spokesperson that is, not myself, Icefusion or Aka911).

 

[Ck Nish]

Considering that standalone blu-ray players cost around 500$, I'd say the price is about right? But how many movies are supporting this format? Will Blu-ray win over HD-DVD?

The answers to these questions will take time and as such I think MicroSoft is smarter in releasing the HD-DVD player as an addon so people can currently buy the X360 only for the games and if and when HD-DVD does become popular, people can consider going for the addon as well.

 

[Params7]

Well some movies have been lined up for Blu-Ray. But i think replacing the DVD's will be a tough one as its so widely been integrated into every other home now.

Games on the Ps3 will be on a Blu-Ray so they'll at least start selling and become a popular format with a kick-start. I guess Microsoft can't release the same on HD-DVD as there hardly will be a game that should exceed 7-9 gigs which can easily fit onto a DVD. Whereas Sony can make the full use of the size of Blu-Ray media by having several copies of the game in different languages in respect to their 'No-Region' policy

 

[Blade_Runner]

lol u needn't talk about graphics at all ! The "HD" screenshots of gram turismo and genji and the live demo of resistance was nothing great. About the blu-ray and hd-dvd i think the format is yet to be decided and frankly sony doesn't have a great past when it comes to proprietary formats (the UMD was the latest dodo.).

No need to talk about the use/greatness of the Blu-ray disc player since the format war isn't decided and the dvd player that comes with the ps2 is POS when compared to standalone players so mostly i and most other people won't end up using that player if indeed bd turns out to be the dominant format.
Frankly speaking 600$ will be ok for some hardcore gamers, but think about the newbies or someone who doesn't have a disposable income. For him, he'd see the Wii as the console with a lot of innovation, the x360 with great graphics at a lesser price and then the ps3 which would be costly. The reaction across most forums about the price point is mostly met with disappointment and criticism. I mostly forsee a luke response(other than in japan ) for the ps3 when the console debuts if they don't change the price point.

After seeing params reply

Edit: Pray how are they going to fill up a 25gb bd :S Imho the games will be on dual layer dvds initially.

 

[Ck Nish]

Yes. I kinda forgot about how all PS3 games will be on Blu-ray. While a bit unnecassary it will certainly prove more secure than using normal DVD's. I do'nt think that's how multi-language games work though. Multiple copies are'nt made.

Hopefully Sony will be more successfull at convincing Movie studios to use Blu-ray 'cause they did'nt have much luck with their PSP UMD's.

 

[KingKrool]

Just because i support Blu-Ray, like millions others you come up here and call me a Sony Spokesperson

First of all, you seem to be losing your temper. I was joking. And the statement above is not punctuated properly (at least I hope that is the case!). It appears that you are saying that random people on the street have stopped you and said "Params7, you are a sony spokesperson". I hope to god you don't have to face so much flak for your opinions.

In fact, why don't you wait for the cell to come to PC's and do your stupid linux experiments on that

Actually, that is exactly what I am going to do. I wouldn't be caught dead with a PS3. I hate video games in general - nowadays most are crappy. That is why I support the Wii in general. At least they claim to promote gameplay unlike some of the others who promise a "totally new immersive experience never seen before" or something like that, and then offer us the same gamee as before, but look, this time the water is better and the metal is shinier!!! Yipee, I should plunk down 60$ for 20 hours of gameplay? Eh?

And as for Blu-ray taking over the market, well I think that will take a much longer time then you might like. And by that time, your PS3's blu-ray will not stand up to the newer ones which have a higher speed, more codecs (I presume some individuals will still like to copy DivXs etc), and better error correction.

As for people who spend 40k Rs on a gfx card, I think they are either rolling in money or are just plain degenerate. Take your pick.

As for the ngage, that barb was directed at other persons on this forum who did buy the ngage. But it is true of all portable video game, video players etc - what king of enjoyment (from the point of view of visuals) can you get from a tiny screen?

And once again, apart from Sony, no one has so much of a stake in a next gen format. All the other companies have hedged their bets. MS doesn't care that much. Their hardware uses a standard DVD, and Windows will support Bu-ray wit the right drivers. They don't stand to lose. Only Sony is looking to make a 1 billion USD loss in the early days, hoping to win the format wars. I have no hope for them being so wildly successful, that the risk be worth it. Remember, apart from the PS series, Sony has been making losses for years in the electronics division, and now they are allowing that bunch of rejects (the CE division) compulsions determine the specs of the PS3? Hell, they could have switched over to the HD-DVD seeing as how it came out first (it wouldn't have cost them anything, certainly not as much as the PS3 delays and high costs will) and been able to come out stronger against Microsoft. The fact is that unless Sony are able to show some really, really astounding demos at E3 that make the XBOX360 look like a 1980's arcade machine, a lot of the people who had been waiting to see how the PS3 would turn out (me included) will simply buy what is available now (not me seeing as how I hate most video games).

BTW, the last time Sony tried to decide a format, we all know what happened. As for fanboi allegations, well I pretty much despise all vg consoles.

I just told you about why I hate the PS3.

I hate the XBOX360 cos well, it is made by MS and will never run a general purpose OS except maybe Windows.

I hate the Wii, cos it does have plain graphics by all accounts (I am not contradicting myself, I just believe that if they want to keep us in the same gen, rather than next gen the prices should be current gen too, but I am not hopeful that that will be the case).

" DON'T BUY A PS3! THERE IS STILL TIME FOR BLU-RAY TO BECOME EXCLUSIVE AND REPLACE DVD'S. DON'T BE A SONY SPOKESPERSON! "

I am going to add that to my signature, and attribute it to you if it fits.

 

[Params7]

First of all, you seem to be losing your temper. I was joking. And the statement above is not punctuated properly (at least I hope that is the case!). It appears that you are saying that random people on the street have stopped you and said "Params7, you are a sony spokesperson". I hope to god you don't have to face so much flak for your opinions.

Oh yes, don't give me an 'F' for not attending your english classes Professor Krool. I'll study next time i promise. And that's one pathetic way to come back.

And as for Blu-ray taking over the market, well I think that will take a much longer time then you might like. And by that time, your PS3's blu-ray will not stand up to the newer ones which have a higher speed, more codecs (I presume some individuals will still like to copy DivXs etc), and better error correction.

lol, going with that case, Ps2 should really have a very crappy DVD player by now....guess it doesn't. It can play almost any scratched DVD (the unmodded one's with no lens tampering) and to top it all it can also play DivX that only the latest DVD players in the market play. With another 3rd party software, it ends up playing almost every format of music, and mpg video files. And from the looks of it, the new OS in Ps3 is going to promote more 3rd pary extensions support.

Sony isn't stupid, if Blu-Ray does evovle in time Sony will make sure it gets cooperated in Ps3.

I am going to add that to my signature, and attribute it to you if it fits.

Rofl, noob. Insults always gets attached to the recievers sig only if something really stupid has been said in a serious manner. That line was intended to be wreckless and unfunny but something of greatest importance to you. I'm in flame wars all the time, in this or other forums and you sure have been the oddest one. I'm sure everybody who reads that line will

read this thread anyway. Your attempt at being the funny fails. But be my guest.

Also, that probably means you'll be going out with the poster right ?

Hopefully Sony will be more successfull at convincing Movie studios to use Blu-ray 'cause they did'nt have much luck with their PSP UMD's.

Sony should've allowed 3'rd part support for UMD's. UMD players on DVD players from Samsung an all would've promoted it to a much popular level. Right now, the UMD's sales are only limited to the number of PSP owners.

 

[Bluffmaster]

Did anybody here watch the whole press confrence of PS3 at gamespot ? I watched it Yesterday Night and it was Mindblowing ! Yeah it was a bit slow and boring to begin with but later on when they showed the demos it was awesome !! You should have seen the Gran Tourismo HD demo , I swear it was so Fu**ing amazing !! It was hard to distinguish The GT from the Real Thing ! Blade said that the Resistabce video was nothing special , I say he is Hell wrong !! First of all the footage which we have seen is Very low quality and even then the Game Looked very impressive ! It was Definately better then Call of duty2 for xbox 360 ! And then there were two more spectacular Trailers : Getaway , which I dont have words to describe !! If Only GTA graphics could be Like that !!!! The second one was Eight Days which was equally stunning !

So The BottomLine is This : PS3 has made an Impressive start , there were many who were suspecting PS3 graphics engine ! But now we have the Proof !! Still In its early Days the PS3 Graphics Look better then 360 ! I think its just a matter of Time , when the mainstream Titles Like MGS4 , GT , WWE , Tekken , GTA , Devil may cry etc etc etc are shown ! And I bet that nobody will even Think of Buying a xbox 360 Then ,no matter the price !!

 

[Params7]

Exactly, Ps3 still has got so many good exclusives. Getaway 3, almot a complete virtual London, Grand Turismo, Metal Gear, WWE franchise, all my time was spent on ps2 playing the games from these series and i just can't be without them. I even have doubts if Resident Evil will stay permanently on Xbox but i'm sure now Ps3 will be getting every Resident Evil title. So i'm all for the station.

 

[Ck Nish]

The press conference was dissapointing. Sony stole ideas from MS and Nintendo AGAIN. The games looked nothing like what they were supposed to last E3 AGAIN.

I would say I was shocked but this is to be expected from Sony. I still think that the price is good though and what you're getting for it but the two versions are really a turn off.

 

[Chaos]

Sony is dead... RIP Sony. I just saw the videos and there's nothing next gen in them. Plus that price is ridiculous... only fanboys will end up spending 600$ on a game console. I have no clue what sony is thinking.

Edit: Forgot to mention... sony just lost its biggest money spinner to Xbox 360... GTA is now X360 exclusive.

 

[Blade_Runner]

lol @ chaos, emotion engine redux

Btw chaos GTA is coming to both x360 and ps3 only that it will be a simulataneous rather than x360 getting it later like xbox did. But yeah rockstar is going to provide some exclusive episodic content for the x360. Also M$ game studios is publishing some really interesting games like gears of war, viva pinata, crackdown, mass-effect, too human, 99 nights and halo 3...........They're getting rather serious about proving their mettle this time and all it'll take is one mistake from Sony.

 

[Params7]

^I doubt it. Ps3 is packing too much to go down just because its overpriced, and fact is its not. its packing too much to cost over 900$ yet Sony is selling is for 600$. Sure, that's too much for a 'Game Console' then again, is Ps3 a game console? No, that's wii. Ps3's a Blu-Ray player+a next-gen gaming system.

Edit- that's at Chaos!

extra content in X360 wouldn't deal that big a damage. although a smart move by M$. Besides, while M$ studios get serious about their console, SCEA and SCEE is getting too. From the looks of it, Getaway 3 is going to be awesome, perhaps even just as good as GTA.

 

[Blade_Runner]

Did anybody here watch the whole press confrence of PS3 at gamespot ? I watched it Yesterday Night and it was Mindblowing ! Yeah it was a bit slow and boring to begin with but later on when they showed the demos it was awesome !! You should have seen the Gran Tourismo HD demo , I swear it was so Fu**ing amazing !! It was hard to distinguish The GT from the Real Thing ! Blade said that the Resistabce video was nothing special , I say he is Hell wrong !! First of all the footage which we have seen is Very low quality and even then the Game Looked very impressive ! It was Definately better then Call of duty2 for xbox 360 ! And then there were two more spectacular Trailers : Getaway , which I dont have words to describe !! If Only GTA graphics could be Like that !!!! The second one was Eight Days which was equally stunning !

So The BottomLine is This : PS3 has made an Impressive start , there were many who were suspecting PS3 graphics engine ! But now we have the Proof !! Still In its early Days the PS3 Graphics Look better then 360 ! I think its just a matter of Time , when the mainstream Titles Like MGS4 , GT , WWE , Tekken , GTA , Devil may cry etc etc etc are shown ! And I bet that nobody will even Think of Buying a xbox 360 Then ,no matter the price !!

lol i somehow missed your post. yes i have the whole conference. Btw what was so mindblowing about gt hd ? The low quality af ? absolutely no particle effects, no real time car deformation ? no hdr ? :S In the grand canyon demo there was absolutely no dust being kicked up by the cars nor was there any dust settling on the cars ! But yeah let me know what you found so mind blowing. If you talking about the hi res textures well all joe-schmoe racing games today have that. The resistance video was also nothing of what they promised, i have last years e3 archive as well. I would suggest you go back and see the i-8(what resistance was known as previously) video and see the real gameplay video they have shown in e3 2006, there's a huge freaking difference ! Plus most reps have said the gameplay was boring but thats besides the point. Genji 2 was so-so and even lagged a few times due to the number of characters on screen. Heavenly sword i was more impressed by the combos than the graphics. Lair, getaway,afrika, assassin's creed,rr7, virtua fighter 5, tekken 5, stranglehold all were cgi so not worth talking about. 8 days had gameplay and cgi mixed so i am a bit confused there :S

So mu argument still stands cause the ps3 would have been a attractive deal at 400$ tops but not 200$ over the competitor ! I don't care about what the ps3 packs in it or how much it costs sony to manufacture but the competiton is providing the same package for less.

OT: Who of ya'll are going for the ps3 at 600$ ?

Edit: The EA demos were good but those games will be multi-platform i.e. x360, wii and pc as well.

 

[Bluffmaster]

Who of ya'll are going for the ps3 at 600$ ?

I am sure Nobody in INDIA is goin for it till the Mod chips are Released !

The low quality af ? absolutely no particle effects, no real time car deformation ? no hdr ? In the grand canyon demo there was absolutely no dust being kicked up by the cars nor was there any dust settling on the cars ! But yeah let me know what you found so mind blowing

First of all go play GT4 before commenting ! GT4 had almost everything that u mentioned and still looked great ! so what do u think GT5 ain't gonna have all that ? Do let me know if u have the low quality E3 Pc or the High Quality one ! Coz u can barely see in the low quality video ! Anyways GT HD Looked Phenomenol , if u have a better looking racing game then plz let me know ! One more Thing that I have Noticed is that all u Guyz r expecting Too much from PS3 ! I mean its just a console its not something out of the world But at the same time It has enough power to compete with both PC as well as xbox 360 !

The resistance video was also nothing of what they promised, i have last years e3 archive as well. I would suggest you go back and see the i-8(what resistance was known as previously) video and see the real gameplay video they have shown in e3 2006, there's a huge freaking difference !

You must have played Call of duty 2 ! I Think its a next gen game Right ? Now u do agree that Resistance Graphics were better then Call of duty 2 ! If Yes then the discussion is over , if no then plz let me Know !

So mu argument still stands cause the ps3 would have been a attractive deal at 400$ tops but not 200$ over the competitor ! I don't care about what the ps3 packs in it or how much it costs sony to manufacture but the competiton is providing the same package for less.

Look First of all its Just a Launch Price ! Expect the price to drop to 400 $ within a Year ! Now the most important thing , Just Look what a PS3 is Giving u at that Price ! A More Powerfull console , a Blu-ray Player , Metal Gear solid and many more great features ! Now an xbox 360 ain't giving u HD-DVD for 400$ is it ? Its an ADD-ON which after a year or 2 will be a must ! so at that Time the xbox owners would have to shell out another 200$ to make there Games work ! So its Kinda better that PS3 already comes with a Blu-ray ! Its completely Future Proof ! And also consedering that sony is Suffering a LOSS on every console , I think the price is Just about Right !

 

[KingKrool]

The question is - do you want a blu-ray player?

I suppose they could charge you a million dollars and throw in a nice flat in south mumbai and you could claim it was a house as well. But will it appeal to their market? I see no reason to spend extra on a blu-ray player until the format is more clearly established.

Also, whatever happened to that early talk about how connecting a PS3 with a Cell based TV would pool their processing power? Let me guess, that feature does not exist at all right now.

The simple fact is that the PS3 is graphically underpowered. They should have scrapped the Blu-ray and spent more on a better GPU. Maybe if they had just used 3 cells and nothing else. They should have had enough processing power then to handle graphics and all, seeing as how single precision floating point rendering is what the cell is really good at (only proven application yet).

The stupidest thing is the lower priced version. I don't give a damn about no wifi, lower hard drive and such seeing as how you are paying less. But WTH did they remove HDMI???? First they overcharge you because they are sticking in that godawful hi-def blu-ray, then disable hi-def playback? It is like me charging you extra for a car because it has a 300bhp engine in it, then putting a speed limiter in which keeps it below 50kmph at all times! For god sakes, if they wanted to cut costs, couldn't they find some other place to do so? Want to bet that no one wants the lower priced version? Want to bet that it will most likely to be a paper launch? Want to bet that the PS3 will start selling at a much higher price point (relative to stated prices) than even the XBOX360 did, with people forced to buy crap packages? And want to bet that their yields are lower? They are talking about producing one of the most complex non-supercomputer CPU designs in mass quantities here.

The long and short of it is that Sony had to come out at E3 and somehow totally knock the socks off everyone - by an incredibly low price, surprisingly good graphics, higher than expected specs ("look! 1GB RAM instead of 512") or some combination of the above. In all the above respects they have failed.

 

[Bluffmaster]

Look whether the blu-ray is gonna be succesfull or not thats a different Thing ! But the point here is that HD-dvd is an ADD-ON for the xbox 360 which means that in Future (1-2 years ) It would be a must for the 360 users to Buy it if they wanna run latest games ! Now At that time the xbox owners will have to spend another 200$ for the HD-dvd ! So Its Kinda better that PS3comes pre-equiped with the Blu-ray making it Future Proof ! And again 600$ is Just a Launch Price , expect it to come down within a Year !

The simple fact is that the PS3 is graphically underpowered.

You Tellin me that PS3 is inferior to xbox 360 ? Obviously it ain't gonna be as powerfull as a super High end PC But it is definately more powerfull then a 360 ! And thats what matters coz people buyin a PS3 will definately not compare it to a PC but Rather compare it to xbox 360 against whom it wins !

 

[Blade_Runner]

I am sure Nobody in INDIA is goin for it till the Mod chips are Released !

Ahem ok !

First of all go play GT4 before commenting ! GT4 had almost everything that u mentioned and still looked great ! so what do u think GT5 ain't gonna have all that ? Do let me know if u have the low quality E3 Pc or the High Quality one ! Coz u can barely see in the low quality video ! Anyways GT HD Looked Phenomenol , if u have a better looking racing game then plz let me know ! One more Thing that I have Noticed is that all u Guyz r expecting Too much from PS3 ! I mean its just a console its not something out of the world But at the same time It has enough power to compete with both PC as well as xbox 360 !

Let me tell you this i had a ps2, now sold cause i got bored of the games. I also had the ps1 which last longer than the ps2 btw. So yes i've played gt4 fyi, please don't make random assumptions here just cause i am making a scathing statement against your favourite console. Secondly since you are asking about the video quality(lame argument), do you think i pulled this out of my rearside?

The low quality af ? absolutely no particle effects, no real time car deformation ? no hdr ? In the grand canyon demo there was absolutely no dust being kicked up by the cars nor was there any dust settling on the cars !

It's pretty clear that sony is the one who's pulling stuff from it's rearside and assuming the consumers are fools ! But i guess the greater good of the consumer wouldn't matter to you as long as you favourite console is being justified wouldn't it ?

You must have played Call of duty 2 ! I Think its a next gen game Right ? Now u do agree that Resistance Graphics were better then Call of duty 2 ! If Yes then the discussion is over , if no then plz let me Know !

Yep played it but the onus/emphasis of Sony was clearly on graphics. They were the ones who said we would create "OMGWTQBBQSAUCE" graphics and clearly failed to do so. A year old game like cod2 looks the same ! so what does that say about the console which is touted to be the next coming of the chirst ! :lol: But yea i like your argument, if cod 2 < resistance = Sony for T3h Win and price justified ! :clap:

Look First of all its Just a Launch Price ! Expect the price to drop to 400 $ within a Year ! Now the most important thing , Just Look what a PS3 is Giving u at that Price ! A More Powerfull console , a Blu-ray Player , Metal Gear solid and many more great features ! Now an xbox 360 ain't giving u HD-DVD for 400$ is it ? Its an ADD-ON which after a year or 2 will be a must ! so at that Time the xbox owners would have to shell out another 200$ to make there Games work ! So its Kinda better that PS3 already comes with a Blu-ray ! Its completely Future Proof ! And also consedering that sony is Suffering a LOSS on every console , I think the price is Just about Right !

I really hope the price drops, not for me but sony cause i don't see a great response to it outside japan. About hd-dvd and blu-ray keep them both out of the picture until one of them clearly has a upper hand ! and fyi m$ has nothing to lose in the format war, it can ship both hd-dvd and blu-ray separately, unlike sony which stands to lose if blu-ray doesn't take off. And i don't really care if Sony took a loss. They took a loss on every ps2 as well however it is still the most profitable arm in the Sony empire. So their losing a bunch of $$ now doesn't really justify the price.

 

[Params7]

I see no reason to spend extra on a blu-ray player until the format is more clearly established.

That's your problem. How is the format supposed to establsih itself when it doesn't get promoted on top selling hardware like Ps3? Besides, Sony has set the medium Blu-Ray for its games as well. So there's no question like "do you want a blu-ray player?" , still, the answer to that will be "There's no other choice!".

Its a new technology, if people always wait for newer things to settle we still would've been at the black and white TV age now.

@Blade - ugh, please don't judge Ps3 by its launch game for chris's sakes! This is the new cell technology, it must've been uber-hard for developers to develop a game which shows Ps3's true potential. Wait for games like MGS4 and Re5 which have been planned for release in 2 years time, then only can you pass a reasonable judge on the console. All points are void now since all you have is based your view on the Ps3 from the early games which would only like tickle Ps3 to wake up.

For an example of what i'm saying, compare SSX (the early laucn game for Ps2) to SSX : On Tour (the latest one) and simple observe the diff in their GFX's. Or pick up WWE Sm Just Bring It to WWE Sm vs Raw 2k6 and be in for a mouth opener difference between the two.

 

[saumilsingh]

GT4 has realtime car deformations?
NFS3 from 1997 has better damage modelling than GT4.

Also Simbin's GTR2 is coming to the X360. Console gamers will finally learn what the 'Ultimate Driving Simulator' tag-line on the GT boxes is actually worth...