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I have seen these kind of videos for LOTR, even if you remove batman it was a good movie.

That is not a legitimate criticism. Videos of this nature usually attack anything popular despite it's quality. It's annoying.


That's why I said that I don't agree with the entire video - just that some of the plot holes were too obvious and too stupid. Almost all of the superhero movies have plot holes; they are based on comics. But in TDKR, I was constantly asking "why the hell did this happen?" after every 15 minutes. "Why did Batman become old and withered when he stopped fighting crime 8 years back?" "How did he suddenly become fit again to play around when he was barely being able to walk?" "Why did the entire police force go underground?" "How did 3 months pass by and no one did anything?" "How did Bruce Wayne's broken back get repaired by suspending him from a rope? " "How did Batman reach back to Gotham after being imprisoned in some god forsaken hellhole?"
And please, I am not nitpicking with these nooks. I understand the writers and the director taking creative liberties. But this was utter nonsense. And just to clarify that I am not a hater, I loved TDK and the LOTR series.
I would just like to finish this by saying that a movie experience is highly subjective. I did not like the plot elements that were used and kept getting more and more irritated. But, that's just my opinion on it.
 
It should be blamed on Nolan's fake fans who went around priding that the Batman movies were realistic movies in the first place. It was a movie about a guy who wears a freaking Bat costume and goes around the city in night FFS.
 
"Why did Batman become old and withered when he stopped fighting crime 8 years back?"
"How did he suddenly become fit again to play around when he was barely being able to walk?"
"How did Bruce Wayne's broken back get repaired by suspending him from a rope? "


The purpose of the limp shows the distance Bruce has fallen from the empowered physical prowess of being Batman. And as it is never focused on as a major plot or narrative point, a quick resolution with one of Bruce’s many expensive gadgets is a minor point in the more significant focus of the first act of the film: Bruce’s mental and emotional state — something that is manifested physically in his limp. If anything, it shows Bruce’s initial reluctance to heal, mentally or physically.
Additionally, the /Film writers criticize Bruce starting out low, then rising, and repeat, but this analysis ignores a major focal point of the film. Alfred worriedly remarks to Bruce that putting on the cape and cowl doesn’t automatically enable him to be Batman again. He’s afraid Bruce lacks the belief (in contrast to Bane’s abundance of belief — something else pointed out by Alfred) and conviction to become the Batman we know, love, and aspire to be. And he didn’t. So as he is thrown into the pit defeated and broken mentally, physically, and emotionally, the successful climb out of the pit is the first time Batman truly emerges in the film.
It’s a major convention in film for characters to heal significantly faster than they might otherwise in reality. It seems silly to have this suddenly be a big criticism after a century of film.

"Why did the entire police force go underground?"
"How did 3 almost 5 months pass by and no one did anything?"

GCPD has been established as consistently lackluster in the first two films, as well as specifically under the leadership of Foley. Mindful of the eight year gap, the police force is unprepared and unaccustomed to handling real threats. Foley consistently underestimates the significance of Bane’s attacks (note the dismissal of the Stock Exchange assault and the discussion to retract his men from chasing Bane to instead follow Batman). Confronted for the first time with by a notoriously menacing and dangerous man, Foley reacts impulsively. To corner Bane within the sprawling network of sewer lines, a large number of officers must approach from every possible entrance. Bane’s intelligent, and more than this, he can predict different people’s psychological reactions, and he used this to his benefit. Under Foley, a leader for peacetime, the police really were that inept. As evinced in The Dark Knight, Gordon would never sacrifice his entire force with such haste.
As for the CIA, the plane they used was neither large nor particularly sophisticated or militarized. It’s not entirely off base that they didn’t notice the second plane until it came closer in its approach (note the turbulence and the pilots’ rattled expressions). Yes, the agent broke protocol by ushering the hooded figures onto the plane without identification, but he wasn’t one to play by the rules anyway, i.e., his quickness to torture and threaten death to get information. The logic here isn’t perfect though, I admit.


"How did Batman reach back to Gotham after being imprisoned in some god forsaken hellhole?"


It’s important to note that the /Film time-frame criticisms seem inconsistent. Sometimes Bruce is gone for weeks, sometimes it’s months, but now it’s only days from escaping the pit to returning to Gotham? Bruce had around three weeks to return after leaving, and because Wayne Manor isn’t in the actual city of Gotham, he probably returned there, aka to the batcave. Thus, he’d have had access to the Batsuit, and seemingly endless gadgets to relatively easily sneak into the city. Given the resourcefulness he’s proven to have had over three films, finding a way back into the States is probably relatively straightforward. Hell, he could’ve called Alfred to hook him up.
Considering he has an intimate knowledge of the bomb and it’s workings and he followed what happened to Gotham on the television Bane setup, if Bruce has any ability to read a calendar he’d have a pretty good idea how much time is left on the bomb. He’s Batman and a master detective. Why is using that skill unnatural for the character?

Source : http://www.nolanfans.com/2012/07/26/15-things-that-didnt-bother-us-about-the-dark-knight-rises/

It should be blamed on Nolan's fake fans who went around priding that the Batman movies were realistic movies in the first place. It was a movie about a guy who wears a freaking Bat costume and goes around the city in night FFS.

Well, the movies are realistic than any other Batman incarnation. The movies are realistic, but they aren't in reality either. Two Face walking around with face like that? A Clown taking over a gigantic metropolitan city in the manner he did? Batman not being shot when he's fighting with mobs? Falling off a 20 story building and hitting a car without any injuries?
Then there's the technology. Sure, some of it's real, but 90% of it is fabricated beyond the spectrum of actual use. Which is fine because it's a movie. No harm.
But let's be real here, Nolan's Batman films may not be in a stylized fictional land, but they aren't realistic. It's as realistic as Batman can get, but still not within the realm of actual realism.

I think the people who are complaining wanted to see 'The Dark Knight 2'.
 
Source : http://www.nolanfans.com/2012/07/26/15-things-that-didnt-bother-us-about-the-dark-knight-rises/



Well, the movies are realistic than any other Batman incarnation. The movies are realistic, but they aren't in reality either. Two Face walking around with face like that? A Clown taking over a gigantic metropolitan city in the manner he did? Batman not being shot when he's fighting with mobs? Falling off a 20 story building and hitting a car without any injuries?
Then there's the technology. Sure, some of it's real, but 90% of it is fabricated beyond the spectrum of actual use. Which is fine because it's a movie. No harm.
But let's be real here, Nolan's Batman films may not be in a stylized fictional land, but they aren't realistic. It's as realistic as Batman can get, but still not within the realm of actual realism.

I think the people who are complaining wanted to see 'The Dark Knight 2'.

You do realise that you first tell me how everything was logical and realistic and then end the paragraph by saying that it was still not within the realm of actual realism.

That's what everyone loved about TDK. We are used to directors/writers taking creative liberties and pull off dumb moves saying that it is a comic book superhero - what'd you expect? But Nolan showed us how it can be very very real and believable. Surely, you don't argue that he didn't display the same effort while creating TDKR.

I was going to type a long reply quoting each of your quoted points but I've decided that I am too lazy to start a flame war here.

To each his own. I really enjoyed the animated feature (The Dark Knight Returns Part 1) more than TDKR. Especially the part where (old) Batman realises that he was trying to beat the mutant leader by battling him using his strength, rather than his brains
 
You do realise that you first tell me how everything was logical and realistic and then end the paragraph by saying that it was still not within the realm of actual realism.

That's what everyone loved about TDK. We are used to directors/writers taking creative liberties and pull off dumb moves saying that it is a comic book superhero - what'd you expect? But Nolan showed us how it can be very very real and believable. Surely, you don't argue that he didn't display the same effort while creating TDKR.
There is a difference between being realistic and being real. A realistic film is still an illusion of reality which requires much less suspension of disbelief. It is subjective.
And the examples I've given is not from TDKR, but from TDK. A movie which from your posts you consider as realistic.

When people say there wasn't enough Batman in TDKR, I'll say only this, Batman is not just a guy in the costume kicking criminal's arse. He is a person who is determined and driven by ghosts from his pasts. It is also about Bruce Wayne embodying that spirit which is what shown in the movie.
I've seen it 5 times now, and I enjoyed it much more on second time than I did on the first.

Back to the thread.
Premium Rush - a joyful ride with more than enough thrills and action. Though it has some cliched elements, overall experience is satisfying.
The Perks of Being a Wallflower - I loved, loved, loved this film. I wished I could go back and do high school again.
 
Jolly LLB- good movie but lack of drama, 1st half is little bit boring but the court room drama is best. even the songs are not good. and acting wise Boman Irani, Arshad Warsi, Sourabh Shukla rocks. Good movie at all.
Waiting for aatma!
 
My cousin Vinny - 7/10
Nothing spl really.. just a jolly movie from the 90s.With Joe Pesci, it had to have its moments.

Special 26 - 8/10
Good movie. Some obvious plot holes and not so tout direction at times, but nice to see the follow up from A Wednesday.

Dev D - 8/10
This director has skills, but at times felt like force feeding his vision and impact into the audience. Surely a good movie but few instances as mentioned were a bit too heady. Kudos to Abhay deol for suggesting the script, a nice modern take on Bevdadas.

Sahib Biwi Aur Gangster - 7.5/10
Decent time pass. Mahi Gill shines though and Jimmy correctly is thankful to Tigmanshu Dhulia. The latter did gave his acting a chance and he grabbed it.
 
Lincoln 7/10
At the end there is no need to show linclon has been shot :mad:

What's a Mahatma Gandhi story without showing Nathuram Godse doing what he did best? Almost everyone knows what happens to them in the end, the filmmakers might as well give it a fitting end.
 
Jolly LLB - 9/10

Fantastic entertainer! Boman Irani once again proves that he is a perfect candidate for antagonist roles (previously seen on 3 Idiots). Most of the movie happens inside the courtroom (similar to OMG) but plenty of drama and some hilarious sequences in between. Loved it. :D

The best part is, the movie has drawn resemblances from real life incidents including its major plot - a high profile hit-n-run case. Also deals with a lot of corruption that happens in our judiciary system.

^ You eat Italian food with Indian spicy masala ?

That is a very sh1tty analogy!

Please watch foreign movies with subtitles - makes more sense and it does not feel any different when you have properly synced subtitles displayed.
 
As a Batman fan who was seriously disappointed with TDKR, thank you so much for this! I was supposed to sleep 1.5 hours ago and now I'm so charged up after watching Part 1, I'm not sleepy at all! :|

Part 2 tomorrow night/morning! :D
And oh so violent. At times I forgot I was watching an animated movie, a WB house animated movie! There was actual blood, grizzly violence, face stabbing, dismembering, I could go on...
WB had balls bringing the graphic novel to screen without diluting anything as the target audience for such releases are usually kids.

Not really. I appreciate the fact that Nolan has made the superhero genre more realistic and believable (as in TDK). But if you remove the superhero element from the movie itself and the entire movie is less about Batman and more about Bruce Wayne, it is seriously disappointing.
My thoughts are similar but that is exactly what I love about the Nolan movies. That they feel like Michael Mann crime sagas is a very interesting take on the Batman's world and mythos, it might not exactly be realistic but it's what's perceived as realism versus an all-out fantastical superhero setting like the Avengers.

And really the movies are more about the world that he inhabits rather than the Batman himself.
 
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