Sex in Ancient times

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In chapter 63 of Adiparva in Mahabharat, open sex between Rishi Parashar and Satyavati Matsyangandha has been described. Also, in the 104th chapter of Adiparva, it is mentioned that son of Utthat, Dirghtama started having sex with a woman in front of all the people.

In modern history, it is described that Maharaja Ranjit Singh used to have sex in a place where his elephant used to be tied for everyone to see him. In the times of Bajirav, a game 'Ghatkancuki' used to play in Pune.
Also, some chosen elite men and women were made to have sex for others entertainment. The men used to first pull the women’s dresses and then have sex with them in public. The sexual game would continue until every man would have slept with every woman.

In Karnataka, until independence, people used to organize group sex. Here, age was not a concern at all. It is believed that in ancient times, Tamilians too used to have sex in front of everyone. One can find in Vedas that people used to have open group sex in yagya bhoomi.

Kautbik sex (incest) is mentioned in ancient texts. It is mentioned 'Harivansh' that the daughter of sage Vasishta, Shatrupa believed him to be her husband and therefore used to have sex with him. In the same grantha it is mentioned that Daksha gave her daughter to his father, Brahmadev and Narada was born.

As mentioned in Haribhavishya, Indra dev had sex with his great grandson’s (Janmejay) wife Vapushtma.

In Mahabharat’s Adiparva, it is said that if an unmarried woman expresses her desire to have sex, it should be fulfilled. If her wish is not fulfilled, it means death of religion. Ulupi clearly says to Arjuna that to satisfy a woman, it not against religion to sleep with her for one night.

When Urvashi told Arjuna that if the Paurva Vansh’a any son or grandson wants to have sex with any woman of her family including her, it is not insulting religion. However, Arjuna did not accept it and Urvashi called him impotent.

It is also mentioned in religious scriptures that sage Agastya had kept his daughter with the King of Vidarbha and when she reached age of marriage, he married his own daughter.

About sexual relations, ancient historian Cipeve Lerhuno wrote that people used to occasionally have sex with their mothers, sisters and daughters.

Mahabharta mentiones in Adiparva that having sex with any women is not bad and is a normal behavior. Relationships are names given to know people.

Duryodhan had made Karna the king of Angdesh. In this desh, woman and children were sold.

Ulupi clearly says to Arjuna that to satisfy a woman, it not against religion to sleep with her for one night.
 
so what is the point... so do you think that the ancient scripture is just some porn magazine or what?
Thing is there was a purpose for human life. Sex life is common to animals and human. Even eating, sleeping, defending. if human being is interested only in these things, then he is no better than animals. Human beings are meant for higher spiritual enquiry. Thats why sex life is discouraged largely... I will comeback with references.
 
http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/2012/05/why-do-certain-temples-have-architecture-depicting-sex/

http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/2012/01/whats-wrong-with-sex/

http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/2012/01/whats-wrong-with-consensual-sex/

some immediate links... there are unlimited chapters in bhagavatam and other literatures which actually discourages sex
example : SB 5.5.1 — Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one’s heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.
http://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/5/5

prahalad teachings http://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/7/6
 
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jammy420 said:
Thing is there was a purpose for human life. Sex life is common to animals and human. Even eating, sleeping, defending. if human being is interested only in these things, then he is no better than animals. Human beings are meant for higher spiritual enquiry. Thats why sex life is discouraged largely... I will comeback with references.
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... every guy ever since dawn of time, who couldn't get laid.
 
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All of these quotes busted here: http://agniveer.com/daily-bhaskar-insults-hinduism-agniveers-response/
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So, whats new about it. Its just somebody being apologist. Being apologist is a standard defense for religious people.

Every so called holy book has references to stuff of that sort because it is most definitely part of human history and the standard defense of religious people who want to make their own religion and culture sound more pious than others is to conveniently ignore or deny those parts or resort to apoligism to make it sound that there was some mysterious angle that we cannot fathom.

Old testament of Bible (In fact all Judaic religions including Islam) too for instance has numerous references to sexual relationships and innuendo (In fact, the references to sex and violence is so bad that in some countries, Bible is considered adult i.e. 18+ material and banned for kids), and while they include references where it says that God prohibits this or that sexual immorality, there are also references to Incestuous relationships that God apparently overlooks.

In fact, every old civilization has had practices of that sort be it Indian, Egyptian, Roman etc. In Egyptian civilization for instance, Incest was pretty common among the royalty and they did it in the name of keeping the "blood" pure.

At the end of the day, these writings are all by humans and the practices during their era and their past are depicted in them. Being an ancient civilization with ancient religions, Indian history and religions too have references to all kinds of sexual relationships that were common during those respective times.

Somewhere down the line, some scholars would have to been observant enough to correlate all the deformed children being born to practices such as incest and sought an end to it though religion. Remember that in history of very religion, scriptures were kept under tight control of select individuals which made it easy for them to add, remove or interpret things for the people as they chose.

For instance, after the catholic Christianity was born around the 12th century, the bible was completely under the control the church and clergy. For nearly 500 years, it was illegal for non clergy to possess a bible with the punishment being death. Same for any attempts at translating the bible. So the people could only hear what the bible has to say from the clergy and thus the clergy had full control over what people consider moral or immoral. In case of India, it was the Brahman's who exercised similar control.

The religion and the scriptures were for all purposes a tool to control people through fear of the unknown. The same way children are often controlled though fear of the boogeyman. So, morality of 99% of the people who believed in religion was based on the morality and intelligence of the people who were in control of the religion.
 
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People get their panties in a twist all the time, over two (or more) people having consentual sex. Its almost always a case of sour grapes. :D
 
Problem comes when people poke their sex filled brain into scriptures and blabber BS and justify it as Vedic culture. Which is obviously wrong. Because picking and quoting is easy.but the overall message is different.
 
Bloody hell! They had sex in Ancient times? And twisted sex as well? Dayum!

#notamused #humansdoweirdthings #ancientswerehumanstoo
 
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Point is not whether they had sex or not. That was not considered as the goal of human life unlike today where it is considered fashionable to lust around and backward to speak about celibacy or chastity.... And for further elaborate go through the links I have given above
 
jammy420 said:
Problem comes when people poke their sex filled brain into scriptures and blabber BS and justify it as Vedic culture. Which is obviously wrong. Because picking and quoting is easy.but the overall message is different.
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I mean people come up with cooked up explanations of the scripture just like what OP has posted... And like this there are many interpretation which all never touches upon various view point. In short people have a conception and they choose only those points from them
Not the overall idea
 
jammy420 said:
Problem comes when people poke their sex filled brain into scriptures and blabber BS and justify it as Vedic culture. Which is obviously wrong. Because picking and quoting is easy.but the overall message is different.
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Is this you bro?
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jammy420 said:
Point is not whether they had sex or not. That was not considered as the goal of human life unlike today where it is considered fashionable to lust around and backward to speak about celibacy or chastity.... And for further elaborate go through the links I have given above
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1) How do you know it was not considered a goal of life? Are you an ancient being who has survived the ages?

2) If you are basing your views on readings, what proof do you have that those scriptures you are reading are the only truth? Isn't that more like believing what you are told?

3) Who says its backward to speak about celibacy or chastity? Further, what is modern about it?

4) Who says its fashionable to lust around? And even if people say/do that, why is it a problem to others as long as it makes the people doing it happy?

5) Why do you think sex is a goal of life in modern times? If it were so, Forbes would have published a list of 500 most powerful pornstars, isn't it?

Above questions are not pointed at you and you dont have to answer them! I am just saying that all people have a brain and most people use it.

One should NOT try to control how another person uses his/her brain as long as it is not infringing your own rights to use your brain or the rights of the society to use their brains effectively!

Nothing is forward or backward! It's all relative to what point on the scale you are standing at!

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1) maybe yes in one sense.
2) same applies to even history we study , maybe science too
3) you go to any social media pages and speak about it. I usually do it as a permanent solution to rapes and sexual assault. Of course I don't care of intimidations, just like one above is trying to do.
4) in one sense it is a forced fashion by media or by peers. The hyper sexually stimulated society is one main reason for sexual assaults on people.
5) we have not yet reached a point Forbes will do that. Maybe some 20-50 years down the lane, they will do

Regarding rest of your points:
I thought we are discussing.
 
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jammy420 said:
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1) maybe yes in one sense. - No comment!

2) same applies to even history we study , maybe science too - Yes! And we both know how the History of India's Independence is completely different in Islamabad than it is in Delhi! As for Science, it can be proven. If it cannot be proven, its not science.

3) you go to any social media pages and speak about it. I usually do it as a permanent solution to rapes and sexual assault. Of course I don't care of intimidations, just like one above is trying to do. - I dont see how it is a permanent solution to anything. So you are saying that celibacy is a permanent solution to avoid rapes? How about we start amputating penises instead? Or maybe we could kill all women? No women no rapes? Its a ridiculous suggestion if I have understood it correctly (pls correct me if I misunderstood).

4) in one sense it is a forced fashion by media or by peers. The hyper sexually stimulated society is one main reason for sexual assaults on people. - Sexual assaults are completely different from consensual sex. Don't mix the two. I repeat, if two or more consenting adults have sex, it is not tantamount to any assault and nobody needs to judge them and advocate celibacy!

5) we have not yet reached a point Forbes will do that. Maybe some 20-50 years down the lane, they will do - Assuming they do, why is it wrong? Even if sex becomes the goal of life for people, why does it affect you or I if they are having sex with other consenting adults?

Regarding rest of your points:
I thought we are discussing. - Indeed we are... And I am not fighting. I am curious to know what your views are coz I am sure we have very different views! :)
 
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