The Aam Admi Party
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^^ As already demonstrated from their other stunts, that totally depends on what AK (or AAP) thinks is illegal, not on what the law says is illegal. As I said before, AAP operates the same way as khap panchayat's. They are the law. As per AAP, there is nothing wrong in barging into some women's house without any evidence and harassing them. There is nothing wrong in causing disruption in a curfew area in total disregard for law enforcement just to put pressure on center to take action against an officer who are doing his duty and all so that they can save their own skin. So, would it be that surprising if they think that its perfectly alright to order honor killings or gang rape women as punishment?
avi
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You are mixing things up. Yes what Somnath did was retarded and it's AAP's mistake that they are still think that's right. We condemn it, but however lets not try to twist what he is trying to say. And also to appreciate some good things they do.
Slippery slope fallacy.
Also, what AK thinks is legal or not doesn't matter. The police can take against against him and his party members if they do anything wrong. They are not the law.
I know many AAP supporters who were critical of the whole raid saga.
The problem lies in the Aam Aadmi mentality. AAP has to stay with the common man of India, while still avoid the evil trappings of what an Aam Aadmi constitutes: casteist, racist, xenophobic, hypocrite, cultural bigot, etc...
AAP has been a hit for the political scenario in the country. Whether they will use that to change the social fabric is yet to be seen. There are a few hits and misses here and there, but it would be completely naive to expect total perfection from the get go.
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way in our country. Do you know what is the worst and most dangerous form of corruption prevalent in our country?
Contrary to what people think, corruption is not just about some politicians stashing money in Swiss bank accounts. In fact, I think its one of the least significant displays of corruption in our country. Its not even the corruption of power afforded by their seat of office, The worst form is the corruption of the power of the people. As a so called democracy, everything is based on the premise "By the people and for the people" and people have been afforded too much power for their own good. A person who enjoys enough support from the people can use that power to even prevent the law taking its own course. The people themselves and their reason for support may be totally wrong, but with sufficient numbers and if uncontested, the person using them is in control. This power can also be abused to punish innocent people as well. This has been demonstrated again and again numerous times by politicians, activists and even fake baba's for that matter.
Anna Hazare himself apparently has several civil and criminal cases against him, yet the law cannot take its own course because he can use the support of the people to shield himself from the law. AK and other AAP members have also used it, but lets take their latest stunts as an example. Why are Somnath Bharathi and Aravind Kejriwal not in jail? AK should have been in jail for 3~5years at the minimum. Somnath Bharati can be booked on multiple counts like unlawful intrusion into private property, intimidation of a police officer, man-handling and physical assault and harassment. So why is he not in jail? Why is the innocent police officer who refused to be intimidated by Bharati penalized instead. Is there at least a case registered against AK?
In hyderabad, during the separate Telangana riots, there was a lot of violence. Public property was destroyed, ransacking in shops, police officers injured or dead. Cases were registered against rioters, but due to extreme pressure of the people and political entities, all the cases were dropped. Even our esteemed courts could not do anything about it.
As long as rogues and rogue parties have supporters, they are the law. They can get away with murder if they have enough people support to shield them.
I am not over exaggerating things in the least bit. There are people who got away with rape and murder in this country. In the last one year or so, I have read about 5 cases involving honor killing or gang rape imposed as punishment by Khap Panchayat's in Kangaroo courts. The police cannot touch any of the culprits because the village folk won't allow it. There are fake baba's who committed heinous crimes, but could not be touched by the police because of people supporting them.
So, tell me, whats going to stop people like AK from flouting their own brand of the law if there are enough people supporting them despite their antics so far.
How do you rely on people with such power when they themselves are dishonest and insincere. Even the most corrupt politicians are just a majority instance of such people. Given the same opportunities, most people would end up the same way as our corrupt politicians. People are fond of talking about some anti-corruption movement, but where is that exactly? As I see it, Its just a fake revolution whose agenda boils down to revenge against some corrupt politicians and may be replace them with somebody who is even worse. At the very least its always directed at someone who is not themselves.
Its perfectly alright to put in fake bills to evade a few lakhs in taxes, heck its even alight to bribe anti-corruption meeting organizers to get preferential seats (Oh the irony). Its alright to offer that traffic police man 100 Rs bribe to not write a Challan for 500Rs when they are caught violating the rules. People even abuse to no end, the police man who is honest enough to write a challan instead of accepting your bribe, but still if he is the one who is corrupt if he accepts the bribe. All the time, they don't for a moment think that they themselves are unclean or try to change.
AAP as a party is also just a reflection of such people. Its always the other guys who is at fault and that sort of mentality is always a source of corruption. They don't give a damn about their own dirt just like the people who rush to support their so called sorry excuse of an anti corruption movement. There is no way in hell any party like AAP or any other for that matter can begin to mend the dishonesty prevalent in this country. People will get some quick revenge against Congress or BJP by voting such parties into power, but as they will soon realize, people will just be replacing one evil for another that would turn even worse in the long run.
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i dont care for any of them political parties , but if you have 50 odd years to other parties and you can see its not going great and these guys come about saying give them a chance and i would be very much wanting to give them a run at power to see if they change things better . no one is perfect , but if you are going to analyse their every move and keep them under a magnyfying glass then its not fair on your part
LOL..Looking at the way you write and how defensive (the only defense being cheap abuses towards me), but utterly ridiculous and rubbish your posts are, I am beginning to suspect if Somnath is paying you or something? Maybe you should just read the post before you reply rather than react like a bot. I have heard all these parties hire people to to do this sort of sales pitch for their own parties on social networking sites.
Regarding this spam business, Even Somnath himself is not denying many of the facts published after they were bared open, but just trying to twist them to suit himself. Its just the stupid and totally ridiculous and unbelievable way he was lying (back in 2004 and now) to defend himself that I was highlighting. The guy who did the original research on his spam sites is not an Indian nor was it new. It was done in 2004 and Somnath Bharati along with few others were even sued by an US lawyer for spamming and an out of court settlement was supposedly done by the spammers for $5000 although I am not sure Somnath also paid this.
I see no reason not to believe it. In fact looking at his usual attitude, I don't for a second believe that this is anywhere close to the worst he is capable off. His utter lawlessness is quite apparent and capable of much more. Heck, even his spam business looked more than a scam considering that he was not just spamming, but trying to make money by conning the targets.
I don't really care what you think of it. Its just another bit of information that I came across and you are not the only guy who reads this thread.
Lets say you got two baskets of fruit each containing raw, ripe and rotten fruits and you start eating the good ones from each of them alternatively, but soon after a while you find that the fruit in both of them have all rotten and no longer edible. You realize that few rotten fruits damaged the rest. You get another crate which contained only raw and rotten fruit none of them good enough to eat. So you wait for a couple of days and find that many more of them have started to rot and the basket itself is a mess, but none of them are are still good enough to eat.
What would you rather choose to do.
1. Leave things as they are for few more days and hope that there would be ripe fruit one day before the whole basket rots.
2. Remove the rotten fruit from the basket immediately and hope that at least a few of the rest can be salvaged and that they would be enough to last you, or alternatively discard the whole half rotten basket and try to find better ones.
So, tell me one reason why you think a party which insists on keeping rogues like Somnath at all costs would mature to your liking in future.
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too much fruit and rotten , throw all fruit out and get new basket , which is what is happening .....
one somnath , other parties have lots of them, ever went over all the partymen of other parties under a magnifying glass?
Party Monger
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You sir are getting increasingly lame and repetitive with each post. So about Somnath Bharti, his post police denial to act action aside, here is the resting peice to make you shut your mouth. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/u...a-in-delhis-khirki-extension-aap/20140204.htm
So,
> Initial evidence of the activities dating back 6-8 months
> Constant followup by the Residents welfare association with every level of police and govt.
> Personal interviews of residents corroborating the version that AAP has been saying.
> And now 3 Ugandan women have spoken up against it.
There you go, Somnath was stupid to not have gone home that night and come back again next day, but that aside its a clear case of a minister actually giving a **** about people of his constituency. Sure he is new, and is prone to stupid and inexperienced acts, but compared to the alternatives who are a part of this prostitution right themselves, he is a knight is shining armour.
Corruption on lower levels is prevalent in almost every country, think of it as a grease that runs the machinery smoother when you need it to run fast for some reason or the other. Corruption in things like breaking traffic signals etc does not break the backbone of the country, it only reflects an imperfect system. If the penalty is 100, and the cop is ready to take 50 then why wont people be okay with it? For them, its just money out of the pocket. You cant blame the people for rotten cops. I once denied a cop his bribe, previously he had said the penalty was 100, he went on to add three more things in the list and made the actual list 350. Is it still a normal citizen's fault?
You can pretend to be a purist cause that's probably the easiest position to defend. But you need to actually read up on corruption and how it works to actually differentiate the bad from worse.
Lastly, what's wrong with a party that wants to fight corruption in the govt first? Is it only a package deal? You fight everyone or you fight no one? Why dont you go out and try to do something instead of sitting in your comfy office and ranting against well meaning people?
But please go on ranting like one directional traffic making little sense, cause that's what you do now, isnt it? Rant rant rant, lame retarded logic, rant rant rant, whine, rant rant rant, everyone is bad, rant rant rant, anarchy, rant rant rant.
avi
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Not related to AAP, but this Congress leader has balls : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ation-on-caste-lines/articleshow/29852346.cms But again not sure this is the effect of coming elections 
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avi
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^True colors of Kejriwal are appearing now. I never hoped this day would come. I feel sorry and pity on myself that I supported AAP. But it's never late, eh? I think we all should demand for his resignation cuz he asked for a duplex flats built by the DDA, which is like some 2 grade below his entitlement. I mean he could have got a very posh bungalow, more than what he was entitled to. In my very honest opinion, I think this is probably a greatest scam after coal gate and CWG.
avi
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Yup, that's why I said : In my very honest opinion, I think this is probably a greatest scam after coal gate and CWG.
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