The Aam Admi Party

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6pack said:
Damn! Looks like AAP has more morons in their system than Congress, Bjp & other parties combined. Fools just keep blabbering nonsense non stop one after another.
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They keep making headlines in my daily. That is their goal. Whether people will distinguish good or bad does not matter. But will they be fooled.

reminds of the populist waves imran khan made. Then the elections happened and his party's results were not as big as the media coverage.

Will the same happen with the AAP ? quite possibly.
 
Just watching the news everyday and wishing all other political parties were followed on a day-to-day basis like AAP.. at least we would know what they did all the time.. :rolleyes:
 
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Sei said:
Just watching the news everyday and wishing all other political parties were followed on a day-to-day basis like AAP.. at least we would know what they did all the time.. :rolleyes:
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Well, they wanted to be in the news, they got it.
as per their current status , they are no more than a regional party limited to delhi, but they get national coverage, so the exposure too would be on the national level.
 
Superbad said:
Well, they wanted to be in the news, they got it.
as per their current status , they are no more than a regional party limited to delhi, but they get national coverage, so the exposure too would be on the national level.
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Once a person runs for political office, he is accountable to people. It is my money that is being spent in taxes and for his salary.

It's not the same case as a celebrity, who should be allowed to keep a low profile if he wants... I have a right to know what my elected representative is doing and not doing.

Unfortunately the prevalent ruling class take their positions too seriously and will truly be offended if they are held accountable for anything.
 
Party Monger said:
You sir are getting increasingly lame and repetitive with each post. So about Somnath Bharti, his post police denial to act action aside, here is the resting peice to make you shut your mouth. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/u...a-in-delhis-khirki-extension-aap/20140204.htm

So,
> Initial evidence of the activities dating back 6-8 months
> Constant followup by the Residents welfare association with every level of police and govt.
> Personal interviews of residents corroborating the version that AAP has been saying.
> And now 3 Ugandan women have spoken up against it.

There you go, Somnath was stupid to not have gone home that night and come back again next day, but that aside its a clear case of a minister actually giving a **** about people of his constituency. Sure he is new, and is prone to stupid and inexperienced acts, but compared to the alternatives who are a part of this prostitution right themselves, he is a knight is shining armour.
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Enough with the nonsense please. The fact that a few black people were victims of a drug mafia does not mean that this minister or heck even the police can go and on a witch hunt for anybody who is black and harass them. How would you feel if your family is harassed because of some cartel running in your area even if you have nothing to do with it? If the police are turning a blind eye to crime, there is a way to go about rectifying it. there is no need to go all rowdy and act like a scoundrel just because he is drunk on its own power. If this same sort of thing were to happen to some Indian women in US, the whole of India would go crazy calling it racist.

As I mentioned several times in this thread and another one, there are many Africans who are conned and brought here and forced into drug trade or prostitution by agents of cartels many of which are run by Indians and often have political influence backing them. If anything, many of them are victims that need help instead of being ill treated by the people, police and Govt.
You say that 3 women have have come forward saying that they are being victimized by a drug mafia, but where is it written that these are the three women that were harassed by Somnath. If some of them have nothing to do with it why were they harassed? Even assume for a second that they are guilty of something. Does that mean that it automatically gives the right to anybody to harass or assault them. Don't try to downplay their criminal behaviour as mere stupidity. Even if he is stupid or ignorant, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. It doesn't matter whether he has done that to innocent people or criminals, he ought to be punished as well.

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Corruption on lower levels is prevalent in almost every country, think of it as a grease that runs the machinery smoother when you need it to run fast for some reason or the other. Corruption in things like breaking traffic signals etc does not break the backbone of the country, it only reflects an imperfect system. If the penalty is 100, and the cop is ready to take 50 then why wont people be okay with it? For them, its just money out of the pocket. You cant blame the people for rotten cops. I once denied a cop his bribe, previously he had said the penalty was 100, he went on to add three more things in the list and made the actual list 350. Is it still a normal citizen's fault?

You can pretend to be a purist cause that's probably the easiest position to defend. But you need to actually read up on corruption and how it works to actually differentiate the bad from worse.
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Excuses.. excuses and more excuses. Corruption exists because people like you let it breed in various forms and find nice excuses for it. There is no denying that corruption cannot be totally eradicated, but don't forget Politicians are also people like you except that they operate at a larger scale.

Its you who need to understand what corruption is. Its obvious that you have a very limited and narrow minded view of what corruption is. You don't see corruption as anything beyond some select big wigs pocketing public money, But corruption is all about lack of ethical and moral integrity one of whose side effects is what politicians are doing among numerous others. Its always the same penny wise pound foolish attitude of the people. You want to stop the 10 people who are stealing 1000 Rs at all costs while ignoring the 100000 people who are stealing 10 Rs. All the black money in swiss accounts would look like nothing before the volume of black money that's in the hands of common people. Stopping those 10 people is fine and dandy, but its not going to change a lot because somebody form the other 100000 will simply occupy that position.

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Lastly, what's wrong with a party that wants to fight corruption in the govt first? Is it only a package deal? You fight everyone or you fight no one?
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Nothing wrong, but you tell me how its going to work. How is a party going to fight corruption when they themselves are dishonest/corrupt and abusing their power and has every intention of remaining that way. Ever heard of practising what you preach or at least trying to? Then let them show that they are serious about fighting corruption be it money or abuse of power by starting with themselves. That would be easiest, right? Just over the last few days, their party leaders AK and SB have committed offences that should land a normal person in Jail for 3~6 years. Why are they not setting an example by owning up to it and going to Jail for a start if they are so honest. Why are they abusing their power to keep the law from taking its own course? How is this party different from any other out there? Yeah that's right, it doesn't matter if they themselves are not honest, lets just create and circulate a list of corrupt leaders of other parties and try to gain some brownie points for the next elections.

They may do arbitrary antics against other parties or some people in govt to appease the anger of the people, but it doesn't change the fact that the people would still be under a corrupt govt which is completely immune from action and can abuse its power whenever and where ever.

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Why dont you go out and try to do something instead of sitting in your comfy office and ranting against well meaning people?
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Oh please, at the very least, I do a wee bit more good in relation to my own capacity than a bunch of hypocrites or their army of so called supporters. If nothing else, I at least try to be honest to the extent possible for me. If I did something wrong, I realize, regret and and try to correct myself.

But let me assure you that nobody in this country likes it when its their time go clean. As long as people live in their own self delusions and turn a blind eye to their own dishonesty, there will be no significant dent to corruption. Definitely, not because of a party who are too deluded to accept it when they are wrong.
 
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Superbad said:
Well, they wanted to be in the news, they got it.
as per their current status , they are no more than a regional party limited to delhi, but they get national coverage, so the exposure too would be on the national level.
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And this creates the impression that they are larger than life. The media amplifies this illusion. It's a PR blitz.

AAP looks like a serious contender. Soon we will find out how serious.[DOUBLEPOST=1391619707][/DOUBLEPOST]
kippu said:
i am just hoping they succeed or atleast make the other parties up their game ,,, at the least these guys are well educated
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They have Delhi, based on how they fare over there will determine whether they get more traction on a wider level.
 
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NEW DELHI: A day after TOI reported that three Ugandan women have claimed they were being forced into prostitution by some African men in Khirki Extension, the police recorded their statements.

The police have registered a case under sections related to extortion, illegal confinement and Immoral Trafficking Act at Malviya Nagar police station. The cops said their statements could not be recorded earlier as they didn't come to them earlier to identify the accused.

Interestingly, senior officers of Malviya Nagar police station said that when they took the three women to Khirki on Tuesday evening for identifying the house where they were being held captive, they pointed to the very house which Bharti had wanted to be raided. They have identified a person named Irene as one their captors.

One of the women alleged she had come to India at the insistence of another woman from the same country who told her there was money here and she could come and earn a good salary. She somehow managed to come to the country and got in touch with another African woman who told her about the "job".

She realized later that she had been trapped as her passport was taken away. When she tried to contact her embassy, her captor told her she would be in trouble as she had no proof that her presence in the country was legal.

Another woman alleged that their captors used to bring clients and they would be thrashed if they did not comply. Their captors also threatened to kill them if they tried to contact the high commission.

Police said that they are verifying the claims of the women. They added that investigations have been taken up and action will be taken against persons found guilty.

An MEA spokesperson confirmed that they had received a letter from Delhi government on Tuesday about the three women. "We have requested the Ugandan high commission in New Delhi to provide necessary consular services."
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Sei said:
At the risk of sounding dumb, has this contradicted with something Bharti said or did earlier? Or is the same as what he said earlier?
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Nothing is contradicted, but this is new. I thought it was just case of prostitution, but seems this is human trafficking too. Human trafficking is not at all easy without the help of local police and politicians. Now people who are all like AAP is this & that, are just butthurt & do not even trying to accept that they were wrong. My friend, who is a Moditard, has a house near to this area. He was like this is all for publicity & etc. Seems most of the people weren't aware what was going on & they are actually thankful about what happened! What's more interesting is, these women were held captive in the same house.

I am very sure, there is more to it and more dirt is gonna come out soon.

But still none of this justifies the way Bharti handled the situation. Had he not done that way, he would have been a household hero by now.
 
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Nothing is contradicted, but this is new. I thought it was just case of prostitution, but seems this is human trafficking too. Human trafficking is not at all easy without the help of local police and politicians. Now people who are all like AAP is this & that, are just butthurt & do not even trying to accept that they were wrong. My friend, who is a Moditard, has a house near to this area. He was like this is all for publicity & etc. Seems most of the people weren't aware what was going on & they are actually thankful about what happened! What's more interesting is, these women were held captive in the same house.

I am very sure, there is more to it and more dirt is gonna come out soon.

But still none of this justifies the way Bharti handled the situation. Had he not done that way, he would have been a household hero by now.
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Ok I get it now... thanks broseph!
 
Very Well said. +1

Party Monger said:
You sir are getting increasingly lame and repetitive with each post. So about Somnath Bharti, his post police denial to act action aside, here is the resting peice to make you shut your mouth. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/u...a-in-delhis-khirki-extension-aap/20140204.htm

So,
> Initial evidence of the activities dating back 6-8 months
> Constant followup by the Residents welfare association with every level of police and govt.
> Personal interviews of residents corroborating the version that AAP has been saying.
> And now 3 Ugandan women have spoken up against it.

There you go, Somnath was stupid to not have gone home that night and come back again next day, but that aside its a clear case of a minister actually giving a **** about people of his constituency. Sure he is new, and is prone to stupid and inexperienced acts, but compared to the alternatives who are a part of this prostitution right themselves, he is a knight is shining armour.

Corruption on lower levels is prevalent in almost every country, think of it as a grease that runs the machinery smoother when you need it to run fast for some reason or the other. Corruption in things like breaking traffic signals etc does not break the backbone of the country, it only reflects an imperfect system. If the penalty is 100, and the cop is ready to take 50 then why wont people be okay with it? For them, its just money out of the pocket. You cant blame the people for rotten cops. I once denied a cop his bribe, previously he had said the penalty was 100, he went on to add three more things in the list and made the actual list 350. Is it still a normal citizen's fault?

You can pretend to be a purist cause that's probably the easiest position to defend. But you need to actually read up on corruption and how it works to actually differentiate the bad from worse.

Lastly, what's wrong with a party that wants to fight corruption in the govt first? Is it only a package deal? You fight everyone or you fight no one? Why dont you go out and try to do something instead of sitting in your comfy office and ranting against well meaning people?

But please go on ranting like one directional traffic making little sense, cause that's what you do now, isnt it? Rant rant rant, lame retarded logic, rant rant rant, whine, rant rant rant, everyone is bad, rant rant rant, anarchy, rant rant rant.
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