The Aam Admi Party
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The only reason I'm siding with AAP is both Congress and BJP (& all other factions /parties consisting of ex-Congress / ex-Bjp people) were taking Indian people lightly. Their main highlights all this time were just scams after scams. They knew that no one could stop them since together they ruled over the country. They could turn a blind eye to everything without batting an eyelid. They knew no one was there to stop them.
That's the reason they were so out of touch with reality. When the country was reeling under economic inflation and people were asking for food prices to be bought down, all they did was increase taxes and spend more on useless programs that in reality benefits no one. Their idea of reducing poverty was increasing cutoff line based on some statistics dreamed up overnight.
The only reason we see new airports or roads etc now is because they found a way of making money through them. If there was no money to be made, then you can bet none of these would have been done. These parties only truly served their own selfish interests rather than serving the country.
It was never our country so long as these people were in power.
AAP emerging as a serious contender upset their apple cart. This new party with all its flaws stood in their way of earning money through corruption and also diluted their duopoly regime.
That's the reason after Aap's just half a win of Delhi, both Bjp and Congress are aiming for Aap's throat. Both of them stand loosing their long held positions which went unchallenged until now.
Granted Aap is a minority right now and their style of functioning is not ideal. I don't know if they have any chances of winning in coming elections but, hopefully Aap improves a lot more in coming years and helps to make India a better place.
That's the reason they were so out of touch with reality. When the country was reeling under economic inflation and people were asking for food prices to be bought down, all they did was increase taxes and spend more on useless programs that in reality benefits no one. Their idea of reducing poverty was increasing cutoff line based on some statistics dreamed up overnight.
The only reason we see new airports or roads etc now is because they found a way of making money through them. If there was no money to be made, then you can bet none of these would have been done. These parties only truly served their own selfish interests rather than serving the country.
It was never our country so long as these people were in power.
AAP emerging as a serious contender upset their apple cart. This new party with all its flaws stood in their way of earning money through corruption and also diluted their duopoly regime.
That's the reason after Aap's just half a win of Delhi, both Bjp and Congress are aiming for Aap's throat. Both of them stand loosing their long held positions which went unchallenged until now.
Granted Aap is a minority right now and their style of functioning is not ideal. I don't know if they have any chances of winning in coming elections but, hopefully Aap improves a lot more in coming years and helps to make India a better place.
Bro, let me get this straight. Are you saying TE audience in itself is not neutral rather a BJP/Congress voting audience and they need to be coached in pro-AAP views? If you dont find anything wrong with that; I can simply quote what I said earlier - Are AAP supporters so smart that they need to coach everyone whats correct and whats not ( in terms of news)?
I never said the issues being quoted were the most burning ones - these are some ideological ones - you cant lord over claiming to be better than everyone and then resort to "everyone does it. how am I wrong?" defence.
The issue with bungalow was never what he wanted - remove VIP culture - it was rather him claiming it was forced on him while his ministry had written a letter to that effect. Again IMO, the issue is not whether what BJP or Congress will/might do (which has been a highlight of this thread and pointed out earlier too) rather what AAP has done.
Yaar, you show me anti-BJP blog and I am sure there will be anti-Congress blogs too - the issue is not what BJP is, rather what AAP is doing. Its like we are talking about taking on the lesser evil; I agree with that - politics is a dirty place, as @avi put it - damned if you do, damned if you dont - you cant escape without getting your hands dirty - what I dont agree is with the moral high handeness and this thread's insistence on putting a positive spin on it (or as you put it balancing the neutrality of TE).
Did you know Lalu Prasad Yadav, one of the most despised politicians today, was a part of Jaiprakash Narayan's drive against corruption? He was a close aide of JP and even got a ticket on JP's Janta Party platform. The same Janta Party whose government fell because of ideological differences within the party (ring any bells with what is happening with AAP?). Now before you jump the gun and be on my throat, I am not saying AK will be like Lalu; I am not Nostradamus. I am just saying corruption platform has been raised earlier too and things take a turn for the worst if not checked.
Fact is we need AAP but certainly not in its current form. They are a major influence but with only one plan - if it doesn't work out their way, do dharna - the party is made of intellectuals - they certainly can find another way out.
PS: Please read about LokNayak Jaiprakash Narayan's anti corruption movement and how Janta Party came to power. It dwarfs what AK has been able to achieve. Once done, read what the individual leaders of the revolution are doing now.
Pat
Galvanizer
Well, from my experience, the AAPtards are even worse than BJPtards. There is no point in having any sensible discussion with any of them. Raise a small point against their dear leader and they accuse you of spreading lies and bullshit. Hope they will eventually come out of their reality distortion field. I am out of here.
Party Monger
Juggernaut
Really? Why dont you reply to my counter points? Unlike you I actually quoted the sections and the text relating to the mist information you were spreading. I have argued the same point with lawyers of far better esteem than you and we had come to the conclusion that at the worst you can blame AAP for not going to the supreme court against the Ultra Vires rules which like always would be a battle drawn over years. Going back to the people for a clear mandate was obviously a better solution.
But why would you reply, its easier to point fingers and run away.
Party Monger
Juggernaut
I dont think we differ much in what we are saying.
You have to watch Yogendra Yadav's interviews, cheif Spokesperson of AAP. He has candidly accepted the mistakes and explained those that werent mistakes but perception problem.
VIP culture is one thing, but why will you do govt work with your own money? How do they go around with 4-5 people in a WagonR? Its one thing to want to end VIP culture, but their work has significantly increased their need of resources. Arvind Kejriwal didnt ask for two bunglows, they were flats, and if you want to compare how much he downsized, you should compare their sizes. In everywhich way, relating to floor space, Cost to govt, grandeur or what ever else you can think of. How do you expect the Chief Minister to live in a flat in a colony and work from there? These arent things that are you argue a governments performance over.
I dont think anyone here needs to be coached, but when people are condemned for more than what they deserve, I believe intervention is needed. I dont think even Kalmadi was maligned like this for his scams.
Lastly, yes even congress has its own websites, but no else is manufacturing hatred on a level that BJP is doing. A level headed person like you only needs to go through Kiran KS's tweets to know what I mean. And its an absolute irony that a party that used to stand for unity under Vajpayee now is doing the complete opposite.
Superbad
Herald
he himself has claimed he could have got VIP flats, but he is not going to get one.(later turned out he demanded those VIP flats)
agreed there were two flats, do you know the area of the flats? i never knew people living in a 5BHK flats X 2 are "AAM AADMI ".them being VIP flats or normal flats are to be compared with the flats allotted to to the other VIPs.
have you done the comparison to come to the conclusion that they were not VIP flats?
if they were to travel by the innovas , why do you think they opted to come in a delhi metro, rickshaws/tick tuck for their first day?
people seem to have short term memory . if i remember correctly, he was vociferously booed during his CWG speech.
and on the right platforms (LS/RS) and in courts he was criticized by the opposition. that was the reason he had to spend around a year in jail. just dharnas could not have done it.
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too much assumptions dude. there are officials of congress who have been hurling abuses on their websites/social media. seems you opted to look the other way when its congress / AAP.
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Party Monger
Juggernaut
Answers in bold.he himself has claimed he could have got VIP flats, but he is not going to get one.(later turned out he demanded those VIP flats)
agreed there were two flats, do you know the area of the flats? i never knew people living in a 5BHK flats X 2 are "AAM AADMI ".them being VIP flats or normal flats are to be compared with the flats allotted to to the other VIPs.
have you done the comparison to come to the conclusion that they were not VIP flats?
He is not an AAM admi when he is the Chief Minister. An Aam admi doesnt have do a zillion meeting a month with various levels and officials of the govt. They promised an end to vip culture and they ended it. It doesnt mean representatives of people will stay on the road.
if they were to travel by the innovas , why do you think they opted to come in a delhi metro, rickshaws/tick tuck for their first day?
Its called symbolism. Its a way to project solidarity. Stop bringing up stupid points already. everytime someone says something, you go back to bunglow, innova, metro and shit. Matters that really matter are thrown into a dustbin.
too much assumptions dude. there are officials of congress who have been hurling abuses on their websites/social media. seems you opted to look the other way when its congress / AAP.
Oh now i'm asuming? You didnt think while plastering BJP pictures all voer the thread that this would come back to haunt , did you? Love the irony here. That link clearly shows and links everything. No escape route this time my friend. In the language that BJP uses, its called EXPOSED.
avi
Keymaster
How about you raise them again, if I may ask sir? Or just point to those posts? And if I may ask again, how about you say something about this also. Or you just want to go out from this thread cuz you don't have any reply? Then whats difference between you & bhagoda Aravind, if I may ask again?[DOUBLEPOST=1392730204][/DOUBLEPOST]
huh, why any external website, which could be run by congress may be, but isn't this enough : https://twitter.com/swamy39/status/432835382225272832?screen_name=swamy39
red-devil
Forerunner
Let's not go into naming people AAPtard, BJPtard or Congrestard or whatever retarded names we've got out there! (Feku and Pappu are too hilarious to not be used in some instances )
Anyways, what I think the AAP has done is played this like a smash and grab of some sorts.
They 'promised' some things - got into power, ordered many of them to be implemented (and nobody knows when it will be implemented on the ground - akin to all those MPs/MLAs "announcing" relief packages for xyz affected victims) and then put up the Janlokpal bill in the assembly knowing full well that it won't go through for silly procedural aspects and then played the martyr card.
The way I see it, they should have stayed in power and tried to deal with it in the next session - I don't think anyone would point fingers at AK if he had said
"oh we tried to table this bill as we promised but due to some procedural nuances, we couldn't. We will implement this very bill in the next session and get it passed"
This would have helped him easily corner those who said the procedure was not being followed.
I think he has planned/played out this whole charade with the general elections in mind and if this is true (I have no way of telling it) I sincerely hope he gets wiped out in the LS elections.
We don't want another party which wants to be a 'king maker'.
We want people who can 'man up'and try to clean the system from within, following all the rules that are in place and not throw out toys out of the pram (dharna) every single time something doesn't go as per their own wishes.
)Anyways, what I think the AAP has done is played this like a smash and grab of some sorts.
They 'promised' some things - got into power, ordered many of them to be implemented (and nobody knows when it will be implemented on the ground - akin to all those MPs/MLAs "announcing" relief packages for xyz affected victims) and then put up the Janlokpal bill in the assembly knowing full well that it won't go through for silly procedural aspects and then played the martyr card.
The way I see it, they should have stayed in power and tried to deal with it in the next session - I don't think anyone would point fingers at AK if he had said
"oh we tried to table this bill as we promised but due to some procedural nuances, we couldn't. We will implement this very bill in the next session and get it passed"
This would have helped him easily corner those who said the procedure was not being followed.
I think he has planned/played out this whole charade with the general elections in mind and if this is true (I have no way of telling it) I sincerely hope he gets wiped out in the LS elections.
We don't want another party which wants to be a 'king maker'.
We want people who can 'man up'and try to clean the system from within, following all the rules that are in place and not throw out toys out of the pram (dharna) every single time something doesn't go as per their own wishes.
sharktale1212
Herald
How old are you exactly?
I never met anyone who remembers "Bihar Movement", "Total Revolution" and how exactly emergency came about. The formation of Janta Party or rather Janta's Party (aam admi's party 
). People tend to think AAP and Jan Lokpal has been one of a kind. Please don't break their heart by mentioning these things Still a great write up.
For guys who actually want to read up on things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihar_Movement (mentions Lalu Prasad Yadav as a Lead figure, one can only do WTF?! to it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janata_Party
Well I for one don't expect AAP to be the ultimate bringer of utopia.
All I am fairly certain is that the AAP has the potential of shifting the current political "equillibrium" so to speak, where there is no value for reason.
Both the major parties have been dilly dallying on major issues like Transparency of funding, accountability, RTI applicability on themselves, Criminalisation of politics, and the sheer absence of any willingness to have mechanisms which can even partly empower people to seek action from their own elected governments.
Case in point (just in case you forgot):
1. Delhi protests after the December 2012 bus sexual assault and murder incident. The ruling establishment was busy just closing down metros.
2. Numerous arrests which've happened after Facebook / Twitter posts. Both BJP and Congress have been involved. These parties have no respect for basic freedoms of the people, not if those people speak against them anyways. Remember regular protest by BJP sidekick organisations stopping movie releases ? Anarchy, anyone ?
3. The political establishment keeps pushing policies like reservation without any meaningful debate. I am not saying it's not required but a serious re-look may be warranted. The criteria may be changed to economic backwardness, and it would be more just than the present form.
4. The establishment (BJP and Congress both) have repeatedly compromised on the public interest on selling off national resources for peanuts. On the expenses side, there has been no sensibility and they've been just burning cash. This has been the single biggest cause of the runaway inflation as the fiscal deficit keeps ballooning, also it drains out resources from the private sector's reach as government is the highest rated borrower for they can print money.
5. Control of political parties: Its an open secret that major corporates control both the political parties. You today have an illusion of power because you get to vote. At the policy level, there are no broad differences between the Congress and the BJP. The differences are in the puny stupid things like Ram Mandir which is never resolved, Gujarat Killings which are a shame, and the one who oversaw the state is the prime PM candidate because the corporate honchos fancy him as someone who can "push the envelopes"; other issues of difference are "Rhetoric" on Pakistan. The BJP pretends to be a hawk but sat on its ass and never took any strategic action during its reign despite repeated terrorist attacks, even after they had faced Kargil up front. I remember being a pro-BJP teenager then, and hoping that the hardline BJP won't be mellowed down, but they were mellow as ever. Hell they didnt even act against Bangladesh which sent back mutilated bodies of Indian soldiers. The present political establishment is all about sidelining major issues of sustainability and need for systemic reforms, and keeping the public discourse on rhetoric.
And when we talk of AAP's criticism, while some of it is valid, like the criticism of Somnath Bharti (Which I checked out and found to be a bit premature), and criticism of their subsidies ( I am staunchly against subsidies) a lot of the criticism has been on non-issues:
1. Anna Ko Dhoka
2. B-Team of Congress - What a load of crap. Now they're pretending as if BJP is better than the Congress.
3. Funding of Parivartan NGO / AAP's own funding.
4. Kejriwal's U-turns : As if people do not have the rights to make course changes in life, and as if Kejriwal is the only decision maker in the AAP.
5. Jokes floating around on Kejriwal - Ridiculing an opponent is a strategy in statecraft. While people can counter criticism, there's not much countering ridicule.
6. Presenting small things as if they were major deceptions: AAP's mention of the name of Transparency international because they were misinformend by a source in transparency international - is presented as if they hoped to fool the world. Its silly and anyone knows that such statement would invite immediate rebutts from the agency . How about the same yardstick for Modi's and Rahul's inaccuracies (Although Rahul has been at the recieving end of it too)?
7. Using the shortsighted middle class attitude to project AAP as anarchist: Most of us middle class folks are scared of power cuts, petrol supply blockages, etc...and its the same for me too, but at times, one has to realise that the state of the democracy as it is today, requires disruption in order to make the ones in command respond to the need for change. Such is the short-sightedness of the well-to-do middle class that despite the hardships that they face at the hands of the police whenever they need police support, they'd not want to tolerate a couple of days of traffic jams because of a chief minister who is just trying to make the police accountable to the people.
All I am fairly certain is that the AAP has the potential of shifting the current political "equillibrium" so to speak, where there is no value for reason.
Both the major parties have been dilly dallying on major issues like Transparency of funding, accountability, RTI applicability on themselves, Criminalisation of politics, and the sheer absence of any willingness to have mechanisms which can even partly empower people to seek action from their own elected governments.
Case in point (just in case you forgot):
1. Delhi protests after the December 2012 bus sexual assault and murder incident. The ruling establishment was busy just closing down metros.
2. Numerous arrests which've happened after Facebook / Twitter posts. Both BJP and Congress have been involved. These parties have no respect for basic freedoms of the people, not if those people speak against them anyways. Remember regular protest by BJP sidekick organisations stopping movie releases ? Anarchy, anyone ?
3. The political establishment keeps pushing policies like reservation without any meaningful debate. I am not saying it's not required but a serious re-look may be warranted. The criteria may be changed to economic backwardness, and it would be more just than the present form.
4. The establishment (BJP and Congress both) have repeatedly compromised on the public interest on selling off national resources for peanuts. On the expenses side, there has been no sensibility and they've been just burning cash. This has been the single biggest cause of the runaway inflation as the fiscal deficit keeps ballooning, also it drains out resources from the private sector's reach as government is the highest rated borrower for they can print money.
5. Control of political parties: Its an open secret that major corporates control both the political parties. You today have an illusion of power because you get to vote. At the policy level, there are no broad differences between the Congress and the BJP. The differences are in the puny stupid things like Ram Mandir which is never resolved, Gujarat Killings which are a shame, and the one who oversaw the state is the prime PM candidate because the corporate honchos fancy him as someone who can "push the envelopes"; other issues of difference are "Rhetoric" on Pakistan. The BJP pretends to be a hawk but sat on its ass and never took any strategic action during its reign despite repeated terrorist attacks, even after they had faced Kargil up front. I remember being a pro-BJP teenager then, and hoping that the hardline BJP won't be mellowed down, but they were mellow as ever. Hell they didnt even act against Bangladesh which sent back mutilated bodies of Indian soldiers. The present political establishment is all about sidelining major issues of sustainability and need for systemic reforms, and keeping the public discourse on rhetoric.
And when we talk of AAP's criticism, while some of it is valid, like the criticism of Somnath Bharti (Which I checked out and found to be a bit premature), and criticism of their subsidies ( I am staunchly against subsidies) a lot of the criticism has been on non-issues:
1. Anna Ko Dhoka
2. B-Team of Congress - What a load of crap. Now they're pretending as if BJP is better than the Congress.
3. Funding of Parivartan NGO / AAP's own funding.
4. Kejriwal's U-turns : As if people do not have the rights to make course changes in life, and as if Kejriwal is the only decision maker in the AAP.
5. Jokes floating around on Kejriwal - Ridiculing an opponent is a strategy in statecraft. While people can counter criticism, there's not much countering ridicule.
6. Presenting small things as if they were major deceptions: AAP's mention of the name of Transparency international because they were misinformend by a source in transparency international - is presented as if they hoped to fool the world. Its silly and anyone knows that such statement would invite immediate rebutts from the agency . How about the same yardstick for Modi's and Rahul's inaccuracies (Although Rahul has been at the recieving end of it too)?
7. Using the shortsighted middle class attitude to project AAP as anarchist: Most of us middle class folks are scared of power cuts, petrol supply blockages, etc...and its the same for me too, but at times, one has to realise that the state of the democracy as it is today, requires disruption in order to make the ones in command respond to the need for change. Such is the short-sightedness of the well-to-do middle class that despite the hardships that they face at the hands of the police whenever they need police support, they'd not want to tolerate a couple of days of traffic jams because of a chief minister who is just trying to make the police accountable to the people.
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avi
Keymaster
It's a well known fact that Kejriwal is a CIA agent. After completing in IIT, he was recruited & trained
Too bad he didn't get a seat in RSS. They would've taught him how to wear a western chaddi with panache, and then beat up people for following western culture.It's a well known fact that Kejriwal is a CIA agent. After completing in IIT, he was recruited & trained
Bro, thats because both us are debating semantics. To explain my view better let me give a very generic example:
Suppose a group of three people - me, @Superbad and a new poster
Now each one of us post an anti-AAP comment. The level of disappointment for you might go like this (a complete assumption):
me > new poster > Superbad
Isnt? Reason is simple, Superbad has convinced you he doesn't like AAP, new poster might/might not be BJP supporter and can be convinced about AAP, whereas myself have convinced you to be a neutral observer
Now say if Superbad posts AK has scammed Delhi Electricity Board while I talk about a lesser offence. The equation will still stand, in terms of disappointment:
me > Superbad
Best case scenario, you might even ask and try understand, why I said those things. But if I was to move from one statement to another (viz. Spamnath's vigilante act, Letter from Ugandan commission, Janlokpal bill, Transparency international), you will think WTF!! is this guy doing. And no, it wont be a question of perception. The reason being: you expect some better arguments from me. anyone can say things/point fingers without proof.
We Indians are serious hypocritical bunch as @blkrb0t has aptly pointed out in many threads. Because of which we cant stand people being hypocritical too. which is why AK is being targeted. If you look at interviews of people after the flat (or bungalow) thing many din't have issue with the letter coming from his ministry - its just that stop being hypocritical about it.
If we were to talk about people being maligned, I believe Digvijay Singh has been the most maligned politician. Not A. Raja, not Kalmadi. Reason being he keeps spouting some hypocritical stuff.
And again I will say, this is not BJP/Congress thread. I am aware of this Kiran KS character, not gonna comment on him. I think we can discuss about him in @Sei 's political thread.
If you still believe I am incorrect and its about perception, all the power to you, my friend.
@sharktale1212 - Born 1984
History is something of my fav. I like AAP but then today's PR agencies are too strong. First anti corruption movement, left IIT to work in public domain (Manohar Parrikar anyone?) are something people should learn about. These things are really trivial but then blowing it out of proportion is something which happens inadvertently in today's fanboyish environment.@Neotheone - utopia is a strong word (gosh! I still dont understand why we use such strong words like retards etc). Not even the staunchest supporter of AAP thinks they can usher utopia. They certainly can change the political landscape but by being in-power and not by doing dharna/walkouts if things dont go their way. Please dont misunderstand - politics for good or bad is about conversations - it will take time to get people around to their side - even in the movie Nayak when Amrish Puri dies he acknowledges his defeat - "Accha interview tha woh".
Let me ask how would you feel, if I keep saying Neotheone is mad (or corrupt, take your pick) and I wont talk to him. Not good, right? We engage in a conversation and we think about it - and there might be some day where I say, yep thats a good point! And vice a versa.
If we were to talk about the latest news - transparency international thing. Suppose I tell you I am a SBI employee and from tomorrow there wont be any cash in the ATMs. You being in position of power, spread this in the news. Tomorrow there might be a bank run, stampede etc. Its a rather extreme example but the point is you need to do fact checking before saying anything. Just something which AAP doesnt seem to understand.
All said, I think I have said the same thing thrice over in this thread. No point in repeating it again. So ciao guys.
Hey dude, maybe I didn't make myself clear on that one.
To begin with I was responding to sharktale1212's comment where he indicated (correctly) that the JP movement created leaders which turned out to be corrupt later.
My point was, that I do NOT expect AAP to be the utopian solution, and to produce saintly leaders without flaws. All I expect and believe is possible is that it would change the existing political equillibrium to something better.
The JP movement might have failed apparently, but it had decisively shifted the equillibrium from where it was before it happened. Congress never was as powerful as it used to be before the JP movement, and the Indian national poitics never remained a monopoly.
Going forward, in the worst case scenario, both the BJP and Congress would take popular movements and civil society efforts for reforms more seriously for sure. They both collectively caused the birth of AAP by repeatedly being balatant in their complicitness in opposing reformist legislations like Lokpal, applicability of RTI on parties, Criminalisation, transparency etc. They very recently tried to even overturn the SC ruling on convicts contesting elections and staying on in the assemblies.
Further, AAP's presence would strongly pressure both BJP and Congress into avoiding criminals. I was reading the news yesterday about BJP and Congress in Punjab trying to avoid giving tickets to tainted candidates.
Many such positives might emerge, even if AAP failis and crashes in another couple of years.
I hope you agree on that.
Regards,
Prakash
To begin with I was responding to sharktale1212's comment where he indicated (correctly) that the JP movement created leaders which turned out to be corrupt later.
My point was, that I do NOT expect AAP to be the utopian solution, and to produce saintly leaders without flaws. All I expect and believe is possible is that it would change the existing political equillibrium to something better.
The JP movement might have failed apparently, but it had decisively shifted the equillibrium from where it was before it happened. Congress never was as powerful as it used to be before the JP movement, and the Indian national poitics never remained a monopoly.
Going forward, in the worst case scenario, both the BJP and Congress would take popular movements and civil society efforts for reforms more seriously for sure. They both collectively caused the birth of AAP by repeatedly being balatant in their complicitness in opposing reformist legislations like Lokpal, applicability of RTI on parties, Criminalisation, transparency etc. They very recently tried to even overturn the SC ruling on convicts contesting elections and staying on in the assemblies.
Further, AAP's presence would strongly pressure both BJP and Congress into avoiding criminals. I was reading the news yesterday about BJP and Congress in Punjab trying to avoid giving tickets to tainted candidates.
Many such positives might emerge, even if AAP failis and crashes in another couple of years.
I hope you agree on that.
Regards,
Prakash
Bro, thats because both us are debating semantics. To explain my view better let me give a very generic example:
Suppose a group of three people - me, @Superbad and a new poster
Now each one of us post an anti-AAP comment. The level of disappointment for you might go like this (a complete assumption):
me > new poster > Superbad
Isnt? Reason is simple, Superbad has convinced you he doesn't like AAP, new poster might/might not be BJP supporter and can be convinced about AAP, whereas myself have convinced you to be a neutral observer
Now say if Superbad posts AK has scammed Delhi Electricity Board while I talk about a lesser offence. The equation will still stand, in terms of disappointment:
me > Superbad
Best case scenario, you might even ask and try understand, why I said those things. But if I was to move from one statement to another (viz. Spamnath's vigilante act, Letter from Ugandan commission, Janlokpal bill, Transparency international), you will think WTF!! is this guy doing. And no, it wont be a question of perception. The reason being: you expect some better arguments from me. anyone can say things/point fingers without proof.
We Indians are serious hypocritical bunch as @blkrb0t has aptly pointed out in many threads. Because of which we cant stand people being hypocritical too. which is why AK is being targeted. If you look at interviews of people after the flat (or bungalow) thing many din't have issue with the letter coming from his ministry - its just that stop being hypocritical about it.
If we were to talk about people being maligned, I believe Digvijay Singh has been the most maligned politician. Not A. Raja, not Kalmadi. Reason being he keeps spouting some hypocritical stuff.
And again I will say, this is not BJP/Congress thread. I am aware of this Kiran KS character, not gonna comment on him. I think we can discuss about him in @Sei 's political thread.
If you still believe I am incorrect and its about perception, all the power to you, my friend.
@sharktale1212 - Born 1984
@Neotheone - utopia is a strong word (gosh! I still dont understand why we use such strong words like retards etc). Not even the staunchest supporter of AAP thinks they can usher utopia. They certainly can change the political landscape but by being in-power and not by doing dharna/walkouts if things dont go their way. Please dont misunderstand - politics for good or bad is about conversations - it will take time to get people around to their side - even in the movie Nayak when Amrish Puri dies he acknowledges his defeat - "Accha interview tha woh".
Let me ask how would you feel, if I keep saying Neotheone is mad (or corrupt, take your pick) and I wont talk to him. Not good, right? We engage in a conversation and we think about it - and there might be some day where I say, yep thats a good point! And vice a versa.
If we were to talk about the latest news - transparency international thing. Suppose I tell you I am a SBI employee and from tomorrow there wont be any cash in the ATMs. You being in position of power, spread this in the news. Tomorrow there might be a bank run, stampede etc. Its a rather extreme example but the point is you need to do fact checking before saying anything. Just something which AAP doesnt seem to understand.
All said, I think I have said the same thing thrice over in this thread. No point in repeating it again. So ciao guys.
Superbad
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tell that to ak not me. he still claims to be an AAM Admi.
though stupid, it is hypocrisy which AAP supporters want to not talk about.
i had quoted your post. it was you who brought that topic from the dustbin up again.
Oh now i'm asuming? You didnt think while plastering BJP pictures all voer the thread that this would come back to haunt , did you? Love the irony here. That link clearly shows and links everything. No escape route this time my friend. In the language that BJP uses, its called EXPOSED.
the letter sent by AK, the letter by ugandan high commission, tweets by ashutoshb83, AAP members and the ones i did not share by transparency int which refute the claims of shazia ilmi. how are they BJP pictures?
i havent even shared pictures of AAJtak editors punya prasoon bajpayee, and anjana kashyap who are regularly seen participating in AAP meets and doing full time campaigns for AAP.
i have not shared one bjp link in the pictures.
i see a lot of stuff and i dont go around blindly justifying acts of others. acts which are to be condemned are to be condemned.
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