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I could almost hear the Batman theme running in the background while Arvind Kejriwal was saying his resignation speech. :D
Absolutely thrilled that he stood up to his word and show that they mean business. You can find quirks but experience is not somthing you can buy off the table. They have learn a lot of lessons.

Watch this video before you guys reply. Yogendra Yadav candidly telling everything there is to know. http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/452100...lhi-cm-reactions-from-across-the-country.html
 
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Also a few of my tweets on the topic -
> Seeing how diligently BJP and Congress guard the constitution, one would think corruption and blatant crony capitalism is constitutional.

> In other news Congress is sad that Arvind Kejriwal ditched them on Valentines day and called the breakup #unconstitutional.
 
My question is why quit, when you have fought so much to bring the bill?
Why not fight it out and persevere? Why give other parties a chance to point fingers?
 
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My question is why quit, when you have fought so much to bring the bill?
Why not fight it out and persevere? Why give other parties a chance to point fingers?
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43 to 27 is not an odd you can overcome with just perseverance. Its much better to go back to the people get elected with a majority and come back to kick ass. If you think they wont be re-elected, you only need to go to delhi and ask random people :)
 
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43 to 27 is not an odd you can overcome with just perseverance. Its much better to go back to the people get elected with a majority and come back to kick ass. If you think they wont be re-elected, you only need to go to delhi and ask random people :)
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That is if the re-elections were to be held again today. Whether they will be able to sustain that kind of support until the re-election (purportedly in May) is anybodies guess.

It is very, very likely that this (resigning) was a plan all along. And AK is, as usual, acting like a big drama queen (someone rightly called him the Rakhi Sawant of Indian Politics :p ). If he genuinely wanted to have the JLP bill passed, he could have gone the legal route. Even Sorabjee, who AAP used to justify their ridiculous demands, has washed off his hands saying he is disappointed with AAP.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-actions-Soli-Sorabjee/videoshow/30471471.cms

Fact 1: Congress and BJP, on the floor of the house, officially recorded their support to JLP, if brought in constitutionally.

Fact 2: To table the bill in the assembly, you need the green from the LG AND follow the constitutional law.

Fact 3: LG clearly wrote to the Speaker of the House, which was also later READ OUT to the house that the bill cannot be tabled directly into the house. Govt cannot bulldoze its way overriding the LG's letter.

Fact 4: Article 254: (http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1930681/) of our Constitution, Point 1 clearly mentions that in the case of repugnancy with the Centre's passing of the bill, you can write to the President or go to the Courts.

Fact 5: Article 239 AA (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/constitution.htm) of the Constitution will enlighten you that the JLP cannot be tabled directly, without writing to the President. This was outlined by the Additional Solicitor General.

Fact 6: If you have a dispute over the above constitutional laws, amend them or challenge them in court. Else, follow the due procedure.

Fact 7: Even following the due process would have only extended the tabling of the bill by 7-10 days. They could have done this but instead went out like cry-babies, possibly in a bid to hide their obvious shortcomings when it comes to governance.
 
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^I agree. And also these polls indicate and result of current opinion of people, things may change after 3 months.
 
in totality
water bill increased by 10 %
electricity increased by 8 %
discoms got 220+crore in subsidies.
nobody arrested for previous scams.
no janlokpal passed (this was anyways going to be the case. everybody even before the election was asking the same question janlokpal cannot be passed for state government. it s the matter of the centre. for states it is the lokayukta bill.

next in line : AAP runs for the centre govt elections.
somehow gets to power in the centre.
before that they promise fuel prices to be brought down by 50 % (will claim ambanis had jacked up petroleum rates)

after being into power run interference with opec countries for not selling oil in correct prices.
will stage a dharna at the UN headquarters and will make an expose everyday on the oil companies.

frustated for not being heard ,will resign from centre within 2 months and will run for the post of UN . :D
 
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That is if the re-elections were to be held again today. Whether they will be able to sustain that kind of support until the re-election (purportedly in May) is anybodies guess.

It is very, very likely that this (resigning) was a plan all along. And AK is, as usual, acting like a big drama queen (someone rightly called him the Rakhi Sawant of Indian Politics :p ). If he genuinely wanted to have the JLP bill passed, he could have gone the legal route. Even Sorabjee, who AAP used to justify their ridiculous demands, has washed off his hands saying he is disappointed with AAP.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-actions-Soli-Sorabjee/videoshow/30471471.cms

Fact 1: Congress and BJP, on the floor of the house, officially recorded their support to JLP, if brought in constitutionally.

Fact 2: To table the bill in the assembly, you need the green from the LG AND follow the constitutional law.

Fact 3: LG clearly wrote to the Speaker of the House, which was also later READ OUT to the house that the bill cannot be tabled directly into the house. Govt cannot bulldoze its way overriding the LG's letter.

Fact 4: Article 254: (http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1930681/) of our Constitution, Point 1 clearly mentions that in the case of repugnancy with the Centre's passing of the bill, you can write to the President or go to the Courts.

Fact 5: Article 239 AA (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/constitution.htm) of the Constitution will enlighten you that the JLP cannot be tabled directly, without writing to the President. This was outlined by the Additional Solicitor General.

Fact 6: If you have a dispute over the above constitutional laws, amend them or challenge them in court. Else, follow the due procedure.

Fact 7: Even following the due process would have only extended the tabling of the bill by 7-10 days. They could have done this but instead went out like cry-babies, possibly in a bid to hide their obvious shortcomings when it comes to governance.
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Was just about to state these facts. :)
I found this resignation over bill very dubious.
I mean even in our day to day work at office, we make sure to take all the necessary precaution before presenting any design, so that it doesnt get rejected because of petty procedural issues.
We usually send them well in advance for the other stake holders, so that they can give it a thorough read.

If anyone really wanted this to be done, he would have taken all the necessary precautions or prerequisites required for passing the bill, knowing very well what the consequences can be if not done procedurely.
So it either looks very deliberate or a very careless move...[DOUBLEPOST=1392617586][/DOUBLEPOST]
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frustated for not being heard ,will resign from centre within 2 months and will run for the post of UN . :D
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On a lighter note, someone said run for President of USA. :D[DOUBLEPOST=1392617841][/DOUBLEPOST]To digress, found this incident funny about Vadra:

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...overtakes-vadras-car-booked-for-rash-driving/
 
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Pat said:
That is if the re-elections were to be held again today. Whether they will be able to sustain that kind of support until the re-election (purportedly in May) is anybodies guess.

It is very, very likely that this (resigning) was a plan all along. And AK is, as usual, acting like a big drama queen (someone rightly called him the Rakhi Sawant of Indian Politics :p ). If he genuinely wanted to have the JLP bill passed, he could have gone the legal route. Even Sorabjee, who AAP used to justify their ridiculous demands, has washed off his hands saying he is disappointed with AAP.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-actions-Soli-Sorabjee/videoshow/30471471.cms

Fact 1: Congress and BJP, on the floor of the house, officially recorded their support to JLP, if brought in constitutionally.

Fact 2: To table the bill in the assembly, you need the green from the LG AND follow the constitutional law.

Fact 3: LG clearly wrote to the Speaker of the House, which was also later READ OUT to the house that the bill cannot be tabled directly into the house. Govt cannot bulldoze its way overriding the LG's letter.

Fact 4: Article 254: (http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1930681/) of our Constitution, Point 1 clearly mentions that in the case of repugnancy with the Centre's passing of the bill, you can write to the President or go to the Courts.

Fact 5: Article 239 AA (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/constitution.htm) of the Constitution will enlighten you that the JLP cannot be tabled directly, without writing to the President. This was outlined by the Additional Solicitor General.

Fact 6: If you have a dispute over the above constitutional laws, amend them or challenge them in court. Else, follow the due procedure.

Fact 7: Even following the due process would have only extended the tabling of the bill by 7-10 days. They could have done this but instead went out like cry-babies, possibly in a bid to hide their obvious shortcomings when it comes to governance.
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Let me be the first to call bullshit on all of that.

1) There is a state list and a National list of things state and National govt can preside on. Janlokpal on the national level is for the national govt, central govt employees etc. Lokayukta or State level Janlokpal is for state govt employes and is responsible for corruption on the state level. So let me restate, THERE IS NO OVERLAP OR REPUGNANCY OF LAWS. The law Arvind Kejriwal brough was for state level. So please check your facts before you go around throwing section numbers and all. Some of us actually have studied laws :)

2) There is no constitutional obstruction to stop the state govt from passing its own laws. Central govt in 2002 brough an order saying it has to permission. Which again as soli sorabji said, is bullshit.

3) The Leutanant governor has no right to write a letter to the assembly. They respected him and presented it, but again, HE HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Its like you writing a letter to your ex girlfriend's new boyfriend about what a b**ch she is. You can write it, but its not fair, nor right. If the govt would have PASSED the bill it would have come for his approval and THEN he could have denied. This whole thing was a sham to stop AAP from scoring a very important point of bringing the Jan Lokpal bill into the parliament.

4) Lets for a minute say AAP was wrong, whats the problem in just presenting the bill? Since when do we suddenly have all the respect for processes when they are regularly flouted EVERYWHERE. Its just the BJP and CONGRESS way of cock blocking to stay out of jail. But I hope the know its inevitable :)
5) FACT 6 is an outright lie. This is what the law on the said page states :-
Provided that if any such law made by the Legislative Assembly has been reserved for the consideration of the President and has received his assent such law shall prevail in National Capital Territory ;
Note the part where it says the law MADE and not the LAW TO BE MADE. Once the law is passed then it is said to be made, not when its just being tabled and put up for discussion. So again, clearly bullshit being invented here where the law actually states something else. People liking it without reading.

6) Fact 4 is again a clear lie. The constitution on the above link says-
If any provision of a law made by the Legislative Assembly with respect to any matter is repugnant to any provision of a law made by Parliament with respect to that matter, whether passed before or after the law made by the Legislative Assembly, or of an earlier law, other than a law made by the Legislative Assembly, then, in either case, the law made by Parliament, or , as the case may be, such earlier law, shall prevail and the law made by the Legislative Assembly shall, to the extent of the repugnancy, be void;
So if a parts of a law are repugnant, those parts are void. IT IS FOR THE COURT TO DECIDE WHICH ARE REPUGNANT IN CASE OF A DISPUTE. YOU CANT JUST OVERRULE LAWS MADE BY THE ELECTED GOVT OF THAT STATE.

7) There is no due process left when the bill is not even allowed to be tabled in the assembly and mics of the cheif minister is broken and the speaker isnt even allowed to speak. AAP chose to solve this by dissolving the govt and going back to the people. If the people want the law, they will vote them in by a majority, as looks obvious right now. I believe this is the cleanest way to do things.

So sire, please dont deliberately lie over here. Some of us actually have a head to reason with things. I have quoted the relevant text of the law where ever necessary. :)
 
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in totality
water bill increased by 10 %
electricity increased by 8 %
discoms got 220+crore in subsidies.
nobody arrested for previous scams.
no janlokpal passed (this was anyways going to be the case. everybody even before the election was asking the same question janlokpal cannot be passed for state government. it s the matter of the centre. for states it is the lokayukta bill.

next in line : AAP runs for the centre govt elections.
somehow gets to power in the centre.
before that they promise fuel prices to be brought down by 50 % (will claim ambanis had jacked up petroleum rates)

after being into power run interference with opec countries for not selling oil in correct prices.
will stage a dharna at the UN headquarters and will make an expose everyday on the oil companies.

frustated for not being heard ,will resign from centre within 2 months and will run for the post of UN . :D
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HAHAHAHa Copied directly from text on twitter and facebook, and again factually wrong.

Firstly, you cant just arrest people, there is a due process it was initiated.
Secondly the numbers are wrong.
Thirdly, whatever increases have been there are by independent regulators (mostly congress stooges on these panels you cant remove people put in over 15 years in 49 days.)

Fourthly, Discom got subsidies for the amout of bill that they lowered for the consumers, not for their own profilt. Remember half rates of electricity? Yeah that.

Fifth, You can call the bill whatever the **** you want. It is generally called lokayukta for differentiation, but they call it Janlokpal cause it is modelled on that bill (independent investigating authority, Independent panel to chose the cheif etc.) So cut the false propoganda
 
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I like the arguments by @Party Monger because he counter argues validly, from the same links where OP has posted :p

On the other news Modi says, why he will be corrupt as he is single.

HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA AH
 
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I rarely visit the GT section but have been following this thread with interest. For all the things that went on in this thread, it could have been easily be named "The AAM Admity Party praise thread (lest you be called a BJPtard)" or "@Party Monger non-bullshit opinion on everything".
Then there were gems in between from various members including but not limited to:
@avi 's - "We are the biggest chutiyas. If a guy does what he promises, he's a bhagoda. If not, he's taking U-turn." Just forgetting the same guy (AK) did quite a lot of chest beating about the duplex house, Then it turns out his office had asked for the house. Yep, we are all chutiyas who take a single issue and use it as character trait.

@blkrb0t 's - "^^Yes, Cong/BJP didn't support the bill because it wasn't according to the procedure. Totally agreed. They both take the constitution of India very seriously."

Exactly. We should also allow AAP to skim money, I mean "Cong/BJP both take bribes too". Why do things properly when you can stoop to hoogalism. Thats what was expected out of AAP, wasn't it?

@Neotheone 's - "Those are business running for profils. Their revenues come from big corporates. They must appease these Ambanis of the world. So when big daddy is attacked by the AAP, and he wants his cronies to stay in power, the newspapers dish out crap (mis quotes, out of context quotes, anna ko dhoka type stuff, and blatant lies (like in the case of Somnath Bharti) to impact the possibilty of the cronies being displaced by an alternative which doesn't propagate big daddy's business. An alternative which is willing to actually let markets be free."
Great point. It is only for AAP supporters to decide when a newspaper is printing news for money and when they aren't. If they are printing aana ko dhoka then they are being blatant liers, when they are printing news in support of Bharti about women actually being used a sex workers - then obviously they are beholding the truth.
People like me have been struggling to understand how do we filter news - never knew AAP supporters were like mass media truth detectors.

Then there is @Party Monger himself, who keeps giving non-bullshit debate on "chicken or egg" situations - why not pass a law and see whether it is repugnant later rather than why pass a law which people know is repugnant. AAP already had fulfilled all of its promises in 49 days, so it had enough time in next 5yrs to waste tax payers money (yeah yeah Cong/BJP do that too - again why not be a hooglian if that is easier to do). Lords over us - "Some of us actually have studied laws" but obviously some of us have not learn the art of doing due diligence before making a point.
Mentions Sorabjee to defend 2002 central law, forgets to watch the interview with Sorabjee where he clearly says the opinion sought was not Lokpal bill, it was about LGs power (again we can go back to @Neotheone 's statement - surely Sorabjee is involving in cronism, he must be ad libbed during the interview).

That all said, I really miss a time when we were far from fanboy-ism/negativism. A time when I could praise ManMohan Singh's 1990's reformist vision without feeling the need to defend his oratory skill, a time when I could praise AK for turning politics on its head without feeling the need to defend Spamnath Bharti's vigilante act. World is not black and white, its shades of grey. There are good things and bad things in each party, lets celebrate good and question the bad.
 
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@avi 's - "We are the biggest chutiyas. If a guy does what he promises, he's a bhagoda. If not, he's taking U-turn." Just forgetting the same guy (AK) did quite a lot of chest beating about the duplex house, Then it turns out his office had asked for the house. Yep, we are all chutiyas who take a single issue and use it as character trait.
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I have mentioned already.
 
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I rarely visit the GT section but have been following this thread with interest. For all the things that went on in this thread, it could have been easily be named "The AAM Admity Party praise thread (lest you be called a BJPtard)" or "@Party Monger non-bullshit opinion on everything".
Then there were gems in between from various members including but not limited to:
@avi 's - "We are the biggest chutiyas. If a guy does what he promises, he's a bhagoda. If not, he's taking U-turn." Just forgetting the same guy (AK) did quite a lot of chest beating about the duplex house, Then it turns out his office had asked for the house. Yep, we are all chutiyas who take a single issue and use it as character trait.

@blkrb0t 's - "^^Yes, Cong/BJP didn't support the bill because it wasn't according to the procedure. Totally agreed. They both take the constitution of India very seriously."

Exactly. We should also allow AAP to skim money, I mean "Cong/BJP both take bribes too". Why do things properly when you can stoop to hoogalism. Thats what was expected out of AAP, wasn't it?

@Neotheone 's - "Those are business running for profils. Their revenues come from big corporates. They must appease these Ambanis of the world. So when big daddy is attacked by the AAP, and he wants his cronies to stay in power, the newspapers dish out crap (mis quotes, out of context quotes, anna ko dhoka type stuff, and blatant lies (like in the case of Somnath Bharti) to impact the possibilty of the cronies being displaced by an alternative which doesn't propagate big daddy's business. An alternative which is willing to actually let markets be free."
Great point. It is only for AAP supporters to decide when a newspaper is printing news for money and when they aren't. If they are printing aana ko dhoka then they are being blatant liers, when they are printing news in support of Bharti about women actually being used a sex workers - then obviously they are beholding the truth.
People like me have been struggling to understand how do we filter news - never knew AAP supporters were like mass media truth detectors.

Then there is @Party Monger himself, who keeps giving non-bullshit debate on "chicken or egg" situations - why not pass a law and see whether it is repugnant later rather than why pass a law which people know is repugnant. AAP already had fulfilled all of its promises in 49 days, so it had enough time in next 5yrs to waste tax payers money (yeah yeah Cong/BJP do that too - again why not be a hooglian if that is easier to do). Lords over us - "Some of us actually have studied laws" but obviously some of us have not learn the art of doing due diligence before making a point.
Mentions Sorabjee to defend 2002 central law, forgets to watch the interview with Sorabjee where he clearly says the opinion sought was not Lokpal bill, it was about LGs power (again we can go back to @Neotheone 's statement - surely Sorabjee is involving in cronism, he must be ad libbed during the interview).

That all said, I really miss a time when we were far from fanboy-ism/negativism. A time when I could praise ManMohan Singh's 1990's reformist vision without feeling the need to defend his oratory skill, a time when I could praise AK for turning politics on its head without feeling the need to defend Spamnath Bharti's vigilante act. World is not black and white, its shades of grey. There are good things and bad things in each party, lets celebrate good and question the bad.
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LOL Bro I criticize them among friends and everywhere where I know there is a neutral audience. They have their faults, but most of those faults are not the ones you pointed out these are just what you could call potholes in the road, they can be filled anyday. But its a discussion for another day.

One of the main reasons why I try to present a pro AAP side is cause we all stand to lose if they lose. I kid you not. You wouldnt give a **** about a cong or BJP person when he takes a bunglow, but Arvind Kejriwal taking it is a crime cause he beat his chest before about being an Aam Admi, but
what this will do is that it will give power back to the likes of the corrupt BJP head that BJP removed days before the election to project a clean image.

And just to know why the deserving need to be sided with here is how BJP is playing the game -> http://www.truthofgujarat.com/manufacturing-communal-hatred-bjps-primary-strategy-2014-elections/

Now it might be one of the very few anti-BJP website, but I follow Kiran KS on Twitter. Not cause I like him, but just to check what he posts and know how the manipulation is taking place. What has been shown there is just a pic or two, the reality is way worse. Continuous hammering of misguiding facts on and on and on. Its funny actually, till you see the extent they are will to go for the power.

The fact is that AAP doesnt need us, we need AAP. Even if they are not in power they are a major influence on the politics. None of us can claim to be perfect but those with good intentions and a plan need to give some space to do their thing.
 
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