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Actually he killed locke as soon as he discovered about the lady who can help everybody get to the island. He was playing locke the whole time. He just wanted to know how to get back to the island.
I don't understand one thing. The others used a submarine earlier to go on and off the island(The one used by ben). So why do they need a plane crash now.
I don't understand one thing. The others used a submarine earlier to go on and off the island(The one used by ben). So why do they need a plane crash now.
The most interesting part is to find him again crashing on the Island. Also I bet there is a story behind him telling "I remember dying" (like how he got to the island back and how did Windmore / ben let that happen).
How did syed, kate, jack, sun, hugo got convinced and got that letter that locke wrote (that would be the next episode as per my guess)
If Jin is working for dharma initiative, then what year is it? (if you have noticed the D.I. vehicle up and running like a new one, hence it must be somewhere in the past). Also check out the boats and Frank took one of those.
Edit: I guess it would be the time when Danielle Rousseau got there (she found jin, when she came there with bunch of their french guys). Also Locke must have went to that time when Richard alpert was found. Also I have a big question, what is the relation between the "old richard alpert" and "new richard alpert" and who is jacoob.
How did syed, kate, jack, sun, hugo got convinced and got that letter that locke wrote (that would be the next episode as per my guess)
If Jin is working for dharma initiative, then what year is it? (if you have noticed the D.I. vehicle up and running like a new one, hence it must be somewhere in the past). Also check out the boats and Frank took one of those.
Edit: I guess it would be the time when Danielle Rousseau got there (she found jin, when she came there with bunch of their french guys). Also Locke must have went to that time when Richard alpert was found. Also I have a big question, what is the relation between the "old richard alpert" and "new richard alpert" and who is jacoob.
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No that was not the case, after getting Locke down he had been just keeping him busy with talks. He was preparing the rope to strangle him while Locke was talking. He also took special interest in keeping Locke's body safe and getting it back to the Island.
Probably it had to something with suicide, it was possible that Locke could not come back to life if he committed suicide. So Ben was just "being the one of the good guys".
Locke blew up the submarine
And they don't command the stations anymore. Moreover the Island was moving frantically through time, which was not so common earlier.
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Give 10 points to you on that, Look forward to your comments always..
@Arya, you are really adding layers of possibility to the story, man what Imagination..
Further to this another intresting unfolding to look forward is how did Ben get battered up while landing up on the plane ? most of us think a possible - face off with Sayed. Who else could have squashed his face so badly
but you never know if there is surprise in store there as well..Jack looked really held his foot strong with John, and did not accept the importance of going back while he was with him. But as we know his life has gone topsy-turvy after his return to the island, and in his heart of hearts he knows that he should go back. Then why did he throw an indifferent attitude to John, and then booking the plane ticket just after... strange !
Also Richard Alpert doesnt seem to be in the good books of Whitmore, he says - It doest matter what Richard said when John tells him he was told "you are gonna have to die John". He doesnt want John to die, that would re-affirm
the fact, that Island can bring him to life. He doesnt want Ben to succeed in his plans.
We ll have to wait n watch what Ben has to say to John when he wakes up in the next ep !
Ben could have been very well beaten by Desmond as might have tried to get revenge on Penny.
This is the time from Season 3, where Jack told kate, that he's taking flights hoping that he would crash back to the Island.
While not so evil picture of Widmore has appeared off late, but Ben's intentions and dedication to the Island can not be doubted. He knows Locke is important and he made sure that he arrived alright on the Island.
This is the time from Season 3, where Jack told kate, that he's taking flights hoping that he would crash back to the Island.
While not so evil picture of Widmore has appeared off late, but Ben's intentions and dedication to the Island can not be doubted. He knows Locke is important and he made sure that he arrived alright on the Island.
@Techman : You don't pay enough attention it seems
Ben murdered Locke, obviously that would be the last thing he would remember. Locke was in the Coffin which the Oceanic five brought along with them in the Ajira Airways. When the island skipped again Locke, Frank, Sun and Sayid got skipped to the present timeline which is 2008 and Jack, Hurley and kate got skipped to the past somewhere around 1970's.
As far as Locke coming back to life is concerned, thats still a mystery but my guess would be that when the skip happened, they went back in time to when Locke was alive. Thats the only logical explanation.
Ehh...? Didn't you watch the 5th episode? Mrs. Hawkings gave that letter to jack.
I am guessing it is somewhere around 1970's. But remember only Jack, kate and Hurley from the Oceanic five skipped to the 1970's. The rest of the Ajira Airways passengers are still in 2008.
Since we saw jin in Dharma uniform and with a brand new Dharma van, I think that the ones who were left on the island ( sawyer, juliet, faraday, jin etc ) are now working with Dharma initiative.
Remember we saw Faraday in the very first scene of the first episode of this season? I bet thats the timeline Sawyer, faraday, juliet, jack, kate, jin etc are in right now. And I guess Faraday is working on getting them back to 2008 with the rest of the survivors.
Its all too complicated, but thats why we love LOST!!!
Ben murdered Locke, obviously that would be the last thing he would remember. Locke was in the Coffin which the Oceanic five brought along with them in the Ajira Airways. When the island skipped again Locke, Frank, Sun and Sayid got skipped to the present timeline which is 2008 and Jack, Hurley and kate got skipped to the past somewhere around 1970's.
As far as Locke coming back to life is concerned, thats still a mystery but my guess would be that when the skip happened, they went back in time to when Locke was alive. Thats the only logical explanation.
Ehh...? Didn't you watch the 5th episode? Mrs. Hawkings gave that letter to jack.
I am guessing it is somewhere around 1970's. But remember only Jack, kate and Hurley from the Oceanic five skipped to the 1970's. The rest of the Ajira Airways passengers are still in 2008.
Since we saw jin in Dharma uniform and with a brand new Dharma van, I think that the ones who were left on the island ( sawyer, juliet, faraday, jin etc ) are now working with Dharma initiative.
Remember we saw Faraday in the very first scene of the first episode of this season? I bet thats the timeline Sawyer, faraday, juliet, jack, kate, jin etc are in right now. And I guess Faraday is working on getting them back to 2008 with the rest of the survivors.
Its all too complicated, but thats why we love LOST!!!
Ben told Jack that he "made a promise to an old friend of mine" (Charles Widmore, when he promised that he would kill Penny since Widmore's men killed Alex), followed by "tying a loose end that needs tying up", concluded by Ben calling Jack from a pay phone at Long Beach Marina (where Penny and Desmond likely were, since they were living on a boat). If you think about it, Ben has been working for years to orchestrate this plan of getting the Oceanic Five back to the Island - probably from the minute he turned the FDW. What could possibly have come up so last minute that would cause him to risk being on that plane?DarkDefender said:Further to this another intresting unfolding to look forward is how did Ben get battered up while landing up on the plane ? most of us think a possible - face off with Sayed. Who else could have squashed his face so badly
How about Desmond suddenly showing up at Ms. Hawking's church, which suddenly tells Ben that Penny is close. The next scene with Ben shows him "praying" in church, but I think it was more of "soul searching", as he's wondering if he can go through with his promise and kill an innocent Penny to get his revenge.
The fact that Ben was bruised and bloodied gives me hope that Desmond was able to fight off Ben and save Penny… but Ms. Hawking's statement that Desmond "isn't finished with the Island" makes it look like Ben succeeded.
After making numerous promises to never return to the Island, the only reason I can think that Desmond would return to the Island would be for revenge - to hunt down Benjamin Linus for what he did to Penny.
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@Arya : They have landed on the other island where the others had Jack, sawyer and kate imprisoned in Season 2.
@Arya : They have landed on the other island where the others had Jack, sawyer and kate imprisoned in Season 2.
For 3 years all Ben did was get Sayid kill some of his enemies. He never tried to contact the other members of the oceanic six except keeping a tab on them. But once Locke jumped 3 years to the future and meets Ben, Ben suddenly now knows he has to get the others back soon and also knows how to do it.
Im guessing the normal course of events would have been that people died on the island because the oceanic 6 didnt return for 3 years. So, someone came from the future( a survivor, maybe jacob) at some point of time in Locke's present time on the island to guide him. Its confusing.
Now again, why did Locke have to jump 3 years to the future. Why not in the same timeline. Why did the island transport him 3 years to the future. Maybe its coz the island knew it would take 3 years for the demons to surface on the survivors for some of them to badly want to go back to the island...
As it turns out one group <probably> returns just few days from the time the oceanic 6 left, while the others are in the 70s.
Im guessing the normal course of events would have been that people died on the island because the oceanic 6 didnt return for 3 years. So, someone came from the future( a survivor, maybe jacob) at some point of time in Locke's present time on the island to guide him. Its confusing.
Now again, why did Locke have to jump 3 years to the future. Why not in the same timeline. Why did the island transport him 3 years to the future. Maybe its coz the island knew it would take 3 years for the demons to surface on the survivors for some of them to badly want to go back to the island...
As it turns out one group <probably> returns just few days from the time the oceanic 6 left, while the others are in the 70s.
Bluffmaster said:@Techman : You don't pay enough attention it seems
Ben murdered Locke, obviously that would be the last thing he would remember. Locke was in the Coffin which the Oceanic five brought along with them in the Ajira Airways. When the island skipped again Locke, Frank, Sun and Sayid got skipped to the present timeline which is 2008 and Jack, Hurley and kate got skipped to the past somewhere around 1970's.
As far as Locke coming back to life is concerned, thats still a mystery but my guess would be that when the skip happened, they went back in time to when Locke was alive. Thats the only logical explanation.
Ehh...? Didn't you watch the 5th episode? Mrs. Hawkings gave that letter to jack.
I am guessing it is somewhere around 1970's. But remember only Jack, kate and Hurley from the Oceanic five skipped to the 1970's. The rest of the Ajira Airways passengers are still in 2008.
Since we saw jin in Dharma uniform and with a brand new Dharma van, I think that the ones who were left on the island ( sawyer, juliet, faraday, jin etc ) are now working with Dharma initiative.
Remember we saw Faraday in the very first scene of the first episode of this season? I bet thats the timeline Sawyer, faraday, juliet, jack, kate, jin etc are in right now. And I guess Faraday is working on getting them back to 2008 with the rest of the survivors.
Its all too complicated, but thats why we love LOST!!!
I agree that its complicated to guess, but you cannot blindly say Locke, Frank, Sun and Sayid are in present and Jack, Hurley and kate skipped to the past. Ofcourse we saw them vanishing, but there is only one island and either it has to be present or past. I am denying this because there were 3 boats which were lying on the shores (remember when Rousseau came with those french guys in previous episodes)
Also whats the story about Frank (the pilot of the plane), why did he just escape with a boat ?
How can you be so sure Bluffy that Locke is in the different time zone and Jack is in a different time zone.
For all i know is that island moved after jack,kate and others left. And remember that the main island was near a small island before it moved. So according to me everybody is in the same time zone i.e. the past.
For all i know is that island moved after jack,kate and others left. And remember that the main island was near a small island before it moved. So according to me everybody is in the same time zone i.e. the past.
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In the NEXT week's episode preview, we see a scene with Sun standing in the foreground and Ben standing in the background. Ben still has his arm in a sling, and displays the signs of the mysterious beating he took before boarding Ajira 316… meaning she's in the same time period as the Ajira 316ers. We actually do see that the Ajira plane crashed nearby the "runway" that Kate and Sawyer were building in Season Three (meaning it's after 2004). We also find out that "the pilot and some a woman" left in one of the canoes during the night, leaving two behind. If you remember back to "The Little Prince", our Skipping Survivors came upon their old beach camp (which had long since been abandoned) along with two canoes. Again, this puts the time for this particular "skip" as at least 2005 or later.
Also Caesar finds what appears to be Faraday's journal and CFL's maps inside the Hydra Station which means they are not in the past.
Proof that Jack, Kate and Hurley are in the past is that Jin is a dharma member with a brand new dharma van. And if you look at the next week's preview its clear that Jack, kate and Hurley are in the past.
As for "the Pilot and a woman", I assume they're talking about Frank and Sun. It would make sense that Sun, uber-excited about reuniting with Jin, would realize that she is on the small island, and needs to go to the main Island to find him. She probably was about to run off on her own, but Frank stopped her and offered to come along for protection / help, since he's also been to the Island before.
In the NEXT week's episode preview, we see a scene with Sun standing in the foreground and Ben standing in the background. Ben still has his arm in a sling, and displays the signs of the mysterious beating he took before boarding Ajira 316… meaning she's in the same time period as the Ajira 316ers. We actually do see that the Ajira plane crashed nearby the "runway" that Kate and Sawyer were building in Season Three (meaning it's after 2004). We also find out that "the pilot and some a woman" left in one of the canoes during the night, leaving two behind. If you remember back to "The Little Prince", our Skipping Survivors came upon their old beach camp (which had long since been abandoned) along with two canoes. Again, this puts the time for this particular "skip" as at least 2005 or later.
Also Caesar finds what appears to be Faraday's journal and CFL's maps inside the Hydra Station which means they are not in the past.
Proof that Jack, Kate and Hurley are in the past is that Jin is a dharma member with a brand new dharma van. And if you look at the next week's preview its clear that Jack, kate and Hurley are in the past.
As for "the Pilot and a woman", I assume they're talking about Frank and Sun. It would make sense that Sun, uber-excited about reuniting with Jin, would realize that she is on the small island, and needs to go to the main Island to find him. She probably was about to run off on her own, but Frank stopped her and offered to come along for protection / help, since he's also been to the Island before.
Atleast the fact that Locke, Sun, Ben and the rest of the survivors are in the Present has been proved, right?
As for Jack and the party it only seems logical that they have skipped back in time. This way they can unite with Sawyer and group and then everybody can plan a way to come back to the present time line.
Anyways, its all theory man. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong. We will just have to wait for the next week's episode to confirm anything.
As for Jack and the party it only seems logical that they have skipped back in time. This way they can unite with Sawyer and group and then everybody can plan a way to come back to the present time line.
Anyways, its all theory man. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong. We will just have to wait for the next week's episode to confirm anything.
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