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On to 9.10!

Karmic Alpha 1 released: Karmic Koala Alpha 1 | Ubuntu and First Karmic Alpha Available | Kubuntu

Release schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule

I'm currently running Kubuntu in VirtualBox updated for KDE 4.3 beta 1, sadly no Air theme packaged, will have to get it from somewhere else...

If you're brave or crazy to try it out now and/or just want to join in the discussion there is the official forum: Karmic Koala Testing and Discussion - Ubuntu Forums

The Developer Summit is starting May 25th: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSKarmic

Some interesting features/projects to look out for:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-karmic-kms

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-karmic-ssd

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-usb-creator-for-windows

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnome-3

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-audio

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-grub2

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-desktop-artwork

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-gdm-greeter

Not too revolutionary as expected, hopefully they will focus on stability and polish to give the impression of a high quality desktop OS.

Will post some Youtube videos of the developer summit and blogs about Karmic development as they come :)

Update (Fri May 29th): Impatient? Then install the "gobby" package and connect to gobby.ubuntu.com to directly read collaborative distributed documents/notes from the develope summit :) Lazy? Then just wait for the dust to settle and wiki pages, videos etc will become available...
 
KDE devs on IRC say Air is not available in Kubuntu at the moment, managed to grab the Air theme from KDE source:

Code: 
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/desktoptheme/air

Then copied the air folder to ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme

It now shows up in right-click on the desktop and select desktop settings. :D

Much better than the black oxygen theme... even managed to barely get desktop effects running in virtualbox! new "slide" effect is decent.
 
First video!

[youtube]t3PJPYWtJ9o[/youtube]

Mark Shuttleworth talking about Karmic plans and mentions but doesnt talk in detail about the Ubuntu One controversy. Social integration (Facebook, Twitter, Identi.ca etc on the desktop), Fast/beautiful (10-15 sec) boot with Plymouth/Usplash/KMS, server side, power management, green computing, Amazon EC2, appliances, ubuntu one to be moved as part of desktop, translations effort, package archive arrangements/access for contributors, distributed development, infrastructure (bazaar/launchpad etc)...

More topics/videos to come!
 
Ubuntu will mature a lot with Karmic.. All i want is stable desktop .. Don't care about theme much but yes a good eyecandy I always welcome...

They kept on promising a new theme from 8.04 LTS and yet we haven't got a fully matured GTK theme :||
 
^^WTH ? 10secs. 9.04 was way faster even faster than mdv .. but 10secs.. are they planning to take on moblin ? but moblin boots in 10secs in netbook so I believe that would be tough to break..

BTW have you tried moblin 2 beta ? I am downloading it atm and the interface looks awesome :)
 
yup, tried moblin but the UI wasnt that smooth in VM or on my tablet and "clutter" animations dont work since i dont have intel 945 graphics, just need to watch videos of the UI smoothness i guess :)
 
Plymouth, a project spawned by Red Hat to replace RHGB in Fedora with a much cleaner boot splash program that leverages newer technologies like kernel mode-setting, will not be finding its way into Ubuntu. Originally, it was considered that Plymouth could replace USplash in Ubuntu 9.04, but then Canonical and other developers decided to push that transition off to Ubuntu 9.10. They planned to integrate Plymouth in Ubuntu 9.10 (and offered up a PPA) to provide a clean, professional boot experience. However, this week at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Barcelona that decision has been reversed. Plymouth will not be finding its way into Ubuntu.

Instead Canonical is focusing on improving the boot time for Ubuntu 10.04 so that it can boot in under 10 seconds. Ubuntu 9.10 will see an enhanced boot time too, which may or may not be under 10 seconds. A majority of this work is being done for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. This would be comparable to the boot times of Moblin V2, but for desktops and notebooks too. If they are successful in making Ubuntu boot dramatically quicker, Plymouth would not be needed since by the time it initializes it would already be ready for the GDM. As a result, Ubuntu is likely staying with USplash. Let's hope though that the Ubuntu developers will be successful in booting Ubuntu in under ten seconds on most modern hardware.

While seeing no Plymouth for Ubuntu 9.10 is a bit of an upset, there are a few items detailed this week at UDS that are exciting. Instead of using the Linux 2.6.30 kernel for which Ubuntu 9.10 is currently tracking, Canonical is now planning on shipping this next Ubuntu release with the Linux 2.6.31 kernel. This alone is excellent news considering come October the 2.6.30 kernel will already be "old" with the newer releases containing more exciting features and drivers. In particular, we may now see (experimental) ATI kernel mode-setting support in Ubuntu 9.10 if the KMS and memory management support make it in time for the Linux 2.6.31 merge window.
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No plymouth for 9.10 :( [Phoronix] No Plymouth Coming To Ubuntu 9.10

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Ubuntu should stop promising a new theme :@ http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/05/910-goals-and-disappointments.html
 
A lot of Ubuntu users/fans mistook the dictator's comment "karmic will have a designer's fingerprints all over it" to mean a completely new theme, nothing was promised. I'm sure there will be incremental theme improvements of course.

And I knew Plymouth/KMS was at risk because the Launchpad blueprint mentioned only Intel drivers might be ready and nvidia/ATI opensource drivers might not be ready even for the .31 kernel :-)

One thing to note here is that Ubuntu developers are planning to have fast boot and load GDM much earlier in the boot process (like within 3-5 seconds) so you can start logging in sooner while the desktop is still loading up.... nothing confirmed here, I'm just posting this tidbit from some blogosphere during the developer summit...

edit: added info about gobby.ubuntu.com to the first post...

quote from ubuntu member "23meg" from ubuntuforums:

Note that UDS is still going on, the specification deadline is still ahead, and nothing is set in stone for Karmic at the moment. As long as there's no blueprint about a feature targeting Karmic, with a "Design" status of "Approved" and a "Delivery" status of "Started", and/or a developer/contributor has not publicly announced plans/intentions for working on it for Karmic in first person on a mailing list (no third party reportage on external forums, news websites is wholly reliable; actually most of it is full of misinformation), please suspect all talk of that feature to be hot air, and do not put it on your list of "promised features" (a wholly flawed concept in our development model anyway) that you are excited about. That will save you and others lots of disappointment and let us avoid lots of unnecessary social friction.
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Came across some interesting stuff on the forums: New Boot Experience in Karmic - Ubuntu Forums

About a post to the ubuntu-art mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-June/010905.html

As some of you may already know, Ubuntu Karmic will get a whole new, shiny and flicker-free boot experience. Another words, the sequence of events between switching on your computer and your desktop session will be largely redeveloped and redesigned.
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What's most important is: the boot will be *a lot* faster than in Jaunty (sorry, no precise figures yet!). In fact, the Platform Team (Scott James Remnant leading the efforts) aims at making the X-server start in *no more than 3 seconds* on a reference machine (Dell Mini 9/Mini 10v). What it means is that the standard boot sequence will not include Usplash any longer, instead, the X-session will be started right away. Therefore, the graphical boot splash screen will have the whole X-stack available, including hardware acceleration...
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Excellent idea starting X early to get full hardware accel! This could mean better and more beautiful boot than normal KMS/Plymouth in Fedora for example with my nvidia 8800GT I need to run the open source nouveau driver which means I cant run the nvidia closed driver, else i will fall back to vesa.

Side note: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-June/028453.html

Also, the videos of the developer summit are taking a long time to encode apparently, we will first get the initial sessions in a few days, but the main conference discussion videos (usually boring) will take longer...
 
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