Urgent: 550D+extra lens vs 60D

Just make sure that you don't mount anything more than a kit lens or light weight prime lens with any of the entry level tri-pods. They are not meant to take weight of any heavy bodies or lenses . If you are planning to add any telephoto zoom lenses in future , might as well get a good Benro tripod for 6-7k-ish
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Ok the topic is over but I must throw in my 2 paisa into the thread.

@OP - The 60D in addition to the features you mentioned has twin control dials (VERY handy to change settings quickly) and a host of other dedicated buttons to enable a user to quickly adjust to a shoot.

The 60D and 550D share the same sensor with a few extra tweaks to the 60D being a newer body. However at any sane viewing size (monitor, print etc) I guarantee you that no one will be able to tell the difference between the two.

If you don't have the budget to get a 50mm and 55-250mm lens now you can always save up and get them at a later date. You can achieve macros using a cheap 58mm magnification dioptre to get decent macros.

@Max_demon - While I also think mirrorless is the future its pretty clear Canon and Nikon do not ! The Nikon has launched a relatively small sensor mirrorless system in order not to compete with its DLSR sales and Canon has so far not even opened its account with an interchangeable mirrorless camera. The fact is Nikon and Canon's sales are constantly growing so all the mirrorless adopters are mostly people upgrading from P&S cameras.

Also do you have any source to suggest that the A55 has much worse high ISO performance compared to the D7000 and others ? I personally use a A55 and in a pinch ISO 6400 is very much usable though I generally don't bother with anything above ISO 800 due to DR loss and colour fidelity loss which is present in the D7000 also.

Its a big myth that there is a huge difference in performance between A55 and the rest. Though personally I just don't like the EVF ill still choose it over a pentamirror viewfinder like that found on the 550D

@Touzeen - Sony isn't abandoning the high end market. All rumours point to them releasing a FF camera at Photonika and the announcement is expected anytime. They wouldn't have bothered releasing a 500mm f4 lens if they weren't keen on the high end market.

And where did you get that the Olympus EM5 has better performance over the 60D ?

Comparing the Panasonic GX1 to the 60D shows the 60D being better in all respects. I doubt the EM5 will be any better. Its too small a sensor to properly challenge an APS-C sensor camera.

If the difference between the GX1 and the 60D was small, the difference is much worse if you consider something like a D7000 or NEX5N.
 
There are 2 issues with your comparison. First you are comparing JPEGs which is heavily dependent on the sharpening in the camera. Two you are using DPreviews site which is crazy since the focus is not always accurate. You will find different parts of the scene sharp for different cameras. Lastly the lenses used are very different. The Olympus is shot using a 50mm f2 macro which is one of the sharpest Olympus lenses while the Canon is shot with the 50mm f1.4 which is an old outdated and needs to be replaced lens. So its not a valid tool one bit.

DXOmark doesn't test the lens but only the sensor and thats a scientific testing which no one has disputed right now.

Look I am not saying its a bad camera or anything. Its sensor is the best in the m43 world right now but there are disadvantages to size. Its a good sensor but still noticeably behind the best APS-C sensors today.
 
1)OOC JPEG is what an image from a particular manufacturer is supposed to look like.(Different companies have different JPEG engines)RAW is for how you want your image to look like.

2)DPR is well known for m4/3 and Olympus bashing,still they show Olympus samples to be better?

3)No use considering anything on DxO coz a camera is more than just a Sensor.
 
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1. OOC JPEGs have no standard whatsoever. Its fine for real life shooting for those that like to shoot JPEGs (most photographers I know do not but thats moot). Any site worth its salt needs to standardize its testing in order to be valid. What is the standardization of JPEGs ? 0 sharpening for camera A may be very different from 0 sharpening for camera B. Its well known that Olympus JPEGs have lots of sharpening and contrast by default while Canon JPEGs are much more muted (they can be increased of course, but by default sharpening, contrast and saturation applied to JPEGs are minimal). RAW is the best indicator since there is minimal processing done on the image and the RAW convertor is standardized for all cameras to give all the cameras a level playing field.

2. I am not indulging in m43 bashing. The EM5D is a fine camera with weatherproofing, built in EVF and fast AF. I am certain than in ideal situations no one will be able to tell any difference between photos taken with the EM5D and any APS-C sensor camera around. The lens selection is also excellent. However at the end of the day its sensor size is still smaller than APS-C and while the 18 MP sensor in the 60D is far from the best, it is still better than the EM5D.

3. Thats true but you can't compare a super sharp macro lens with a fast 50 prime which is old and outdated. Try comparing the EM5D with the 50mm macro and the Canon 60D with a 100mm f2.8 IS L lens and you will find a more even comparison. I will even bet money that the 60D will easily outresolve the EM5D quite easily.

Look this all started because you claimed that the E5MD has much better IQ than the 60D which IMO is incorrect and the reason why I posted DXOmark results to validate my statement.

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if you want to be future-proof,mirrorless is the FUTURE and m4/3 is in the lead

sorry if 26 lenses are too few for you.

i recommended that because it has much better IQ compared to 60d and 60fps video + image stabilization for video

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Sony india has launched the A57 cameras its priced the same as A55, its ISO is definitely a improvement compared to the SLT A55,since the new A57 uses the NEX-5n sensor.

It also has a higher capacity battery compared to its predecessor .It also has a better jpeg compared to canon and nikon models like 550D/60D ,D5100 and the raw is equally good.

@Touzeen

One needs to compare the RAW images do get a better idea about the PQ ,Olympus always has a larger JPEG file and probably a better jpeg engine vs competition,but compared to other camera makers its colors have a different tint.
 
RAW files will be standard ONLY if you dont do any editing to it and just export it to .jpeg ... BUT that is not the case.a RAW is edited/processed as per an individual's liking

for eg:if we both process the same RAW file,the jpeg output will never be the same hence how is it standard?

hence comparing RAWs is "STANDARD" only when you compare them WITHOUT ANY EDITING which is meaningless.
 
Yes Raw is edited as per the individual ,but if the reviewer is unbiased , you can always get a better image then the jpeg output from the camera.
 
adder said:
Sony india has launched the A57 cameras its priced the same as A55, its ISO is definitely a improvement compared to the SLT A55,since the new A57 uses the NEX-5n sensor.

It also has a higher capacity battery compared to its predecessor .It also has a better jpeg compared to canon and nikon models like 550D/60D ,D5100 and the raw is equally good.
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Darn it I just bought a new A55 barely 2 months back !
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Anyways not really regretting it since I prefer the smaller size and weight of the A55. Though I would have appreciated the better viewfinder, I hardly use high ISO so don't care too much if the A57 does better there.

They have priced the A77 pretty good at just 69k which is very much what it costs in the US.
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adder said:
@Touzeen

One needs to compare the RAW images do get a better idea about the PQ ,Olympus always has a larger JPEG file and probably a better jpeg engine vs competition,but compared to other camera makers its colors have a different tint.
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+1. May not be the most accurate but its still FAR more accurate than using different cameras JPEG engines.
 
But the A55 has gps geo tagging,the new 57 lacks it but to me the higher capacity battery is a welcome but still like the size of A35/A55.

The 55 and 57 still has the same basic viewfinder ,but in the A57 his better implemented.

So i guess the new custom duties on cameras with 30min or more doesn't apply to these cameras.the A77 is cheaper then US with current exhchange rate.
 
Lot of activity in this thread! Been away due to exams. I finally ended up buying the 550D.
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I dont know. I was hellbent on the 60D. I actually wanted to buy the 60D on ebay, but the payment failed for 3 times. So I felt I should wait and ask for advice. After all this discussion, I tried to buy the 60D again for 2 days but some how it never went through.
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Then something told me I should buy the 550D. And the order went through on first try. I know it sounds weird but thats how it happened.

Now I feel I would have wasted the money if I had bought the 60D. 550D is more than sufficient for me, I feel, after playing with it for some time. Also Im overwhelmed by the amount of control you get. Cant post any pics till I get familiarized with the cam. Can some one give me some links with proper information on various aspects of photography, and how to control them? I need ones with good examples and not just huge text blocks.

Thanks to all for helping me buy this camera.
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just wanted to share that dpreview.com 's review of the E-M5 is out and wanted to quote this line:

"The E-M5 can't completely overcome the light capture disadvantage brought by its smaller sensor, compared to APS-C, but it reduces it to the point that it's irrelevant for almost all practical purposes. At which point we think its size advantage, in terms of both body and lenses, will outweigh that difference for most uses. If you're absolutely unwilling to compromise on image quality then spending twice the money and moving up to the bulk of a full-frame is the only way of gaining a significant step up from the E-M5."
 
Hey Touzeen I never said the IQ is bad. I just said its not MUCH better as you claimed it was.
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@OP - Congrats on the 550D. The most VFM cam in its price range.
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#[member='Brendon'] no but u kept implying that it wasnt possible with a smaller than APS-C sensor

"Its a good sensor but still noticeably behind the best APS-C sensors today."

behind in which aspect?
 
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