when is NOKIA N8 going to release in INDIA ??

[soumalidon]

tellin the truth is one thing and arguing over and over again is another... it becomes pointless after a while. If you have noticed, everyone has their view and keep defending it to the end and obviously no one will admit defeat. As the saying goes "One Man's Food Is Another Man's Poison" Coming back to the N8, it will be interesting to see how it does matches up against the pixon 12.

 

[yogi7272]

@soumalidon - Am I defending N8 ? No just stating the facts I know. Now to my fav topic cameras- I know and have used Pixon 12 and its the best camera phone for photos with videos not that good.. From what I have heard N8 should do a little bit better than Pixon 12 And that along will be great as pixon 12 is just fantastic. Satio is pretty good too but has weak xenon flash and does not perform that well in all lighting conditions. BTW, if you want best performance in photos & videos in all lighting conditions, then N86 is the king of the hill.. Nokia has really improved N86 since its shipping firmware to now current ver 30 firmware. Fully tweaked it to max and now its performance is just exemplary..

 

[soumalidon]

i was not implying those statements at you yogi its jus sad how phones like the pixon 12 get forgotten when Sony or Nokia release something which the pixon 12 has had for a long time. No doubt i would expect the N8 to outdo the pixon 12.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

If Android in your opinion is "Android is basically a Open source Mobile Linux Kernel with a appealing UI and interaction modules optimized for touch running on top and lot a huge base of apps.", I am really sorry. I just can't explain you. Whatever I say, you will come back with the same statement and it won't go anywhere. Instead I have right now started writing an article clearly explaining why Android has become the force to reckon with and Symbian is in a deep dive! Stay tuned!

Please do remember, Android is not just some fancy UI. It gives manufacturers the ability to change the OS as per their liking and then gives the freedom to app developers to replace the system apps and system functions with developer written apps or modules. I can take the vanilla version of Android and completely change the face of it just by install apps that does specific tasks and making them the default apps. This is something that you can never do on Symbian.

Sir, I know what Android is, All those advantages you are saying are because of its open source nature and that I have already stated. That is a property even Linux enjoys and that is a property even Symbian has now. I will ask you again, can you tell me one thing above what I stated already. Just trying to sound profound about Android's future is not an answer to that question.

And for your information "The freedom to change the OS the way you like it" that has what has lead to so many variations of Symbian because Nokia and partners thought that because they had access to the symbian source, they can change it which ever way they like to suit themselves. Customizing Stuff at app and UI layer is one thing and customizing stuff at OS/Kernel level is a totally differerent thing. As Is said before, Fragmentation is not a severe issue for Android currently, but if people began to change the OS itself just because they have access to source, that would be end of androids advantages.

Freedom to choose, Freedom to change, Freedom to customize - This is probably something the Symbian users are not familiar with and there is the usual inertia of accepting it.

Nice statement, but freedom to choose also includes freedom to choose beyond Android. People like Mr. Bond here wants Nokia and everyone phone manufacturer to shift to Android. Where is the choice after that? If there is only one platform, where is the incentive to develop it further. Development happens only when there is competition. Symbian is a great platfrom and If someone likes Symbian, they will choose a symbian phone.

 

[yogi7272]

@soumalidon- But the Pixon 12 was just a feature phone with no os inside. Hence it made no sense to get it at that time for 25k something. Last heard it was around 23k and heard its being discontinued by samsung on some forum. Satio was another 12mp but its soft was buggy at lauch ( no idea abt its current soft state) and it lacks basic things like 3.5mm jack and micro usb port onboard. So technically N8 is first with 12mp camera coupled with a new os and a whole lot of extras.. BTW, build quality of N8 is excellent. I was really impressed by it when I checked it in person

 

[desiibond]

Sir, I know what Android is, All those advantages you are saying are because of its open source nature and that I have already stated. That is a property even Linux enjoys and that is a property even Symbian has now. I will ask you again, can you tell me one thing above what I stated already. Just trying to sound profound about Android's future is not an answer to that question.

And for your information "The freedom to change the OS the way you like it" that has what has lead to so many variations of Symbian because Nokia and partners thought that because they had access to the symbian source, they can change it which ever way they like to suit themselves. Customizing Stuff at app and UI layer is one thing and customizing stuff at OS/Kernel level is a totally differerent thing. As Is said before, Fragmentation is not a severe issue for Android currently, but if people began to change the OS itself just because they have access to source, that would be end of androids advantages.

Nice statement, but freedom to choose also includes freedom to choose beyond Android. People like Mr. Bond here wants Nokia and everyone phone manufacturer to shift to Android. Where is the choice after that? If there is only one platform, where is the incentive to develop it further. Development happens only when there is competition. Symbian is a great platfrom and If someone likes Symbian, they will choose a symbian phone.

wow. I am against Nokia hanging on to Symbian. Did I say that Nokia has to move to Android? If you read carefully, I said Nokia should've stayed with Maemo.

And anyways, you go on and on about Symbian. When Nokia themselves are moving on from Symbian (for smartphones), who cares.

btw, MeeGo for handsets makes its first appearance -- Engadget

This is the beginning of the end for S^3. This platform has not even released yet and it's already ready to die.

Developers are not bothered about Symbian

Nokia is slowly moving on from Symbian

Other handset manufacturers don't give a damn about Symbian

And you think that Symbian will rule and Android will end. WOW. What a futuristic thought Sir Jee.

PS: Now, enough of this symbian freakism. There is better work to do than trying to explain the death of Symbian. You stick to Symbian while I, with other non-sym users enjoy the new gen OS that actual does more than calling and texting and taking pictures.

 

[RD274]

And if you trust that joker called eldar then .. He is clearly anti nokia these days. As someone rightly said looks like an N95 slept with his wife He is more hung ho about BADA than any other os though nowdays he is more into Android and will promote WP7 in few months , who knows.

I have to agree with what he said about Symbian. Nokia had to come out of the shell and notice what Palm, Google and Samsung were trying to do at that time. Nokia is just reskinning the same shit over and over bringing nothing new to the pie. For this reason, I pity this device being lugged with Symbian. MeeGo would have gone very well with the specs of this device.

PS - I use a Nokia N79 too. Im not a Nokia/Symbian hater.

Back to topic:
The camera is much better than both the Pixon12 and Satio. Ironically, Eldzar himself confirmed this ....
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+Infinity to Desiibond

 

[desiibond]

I have to agree with what he said about Symbian. Nokia had to come out of the shell and notice what Palm, Google and Samsung were trying to do at that time. Nokia is just reskinning the same shit over and over bringing nothing new to the pie. For this reason, I pity this device being lugged with Symbian. MeeGo would have gone very well with the specs of this device.

PS - I use a Nokia N79 too. Im not a Nokia/Symbian hater.

Back to topic:

The camera is much better than both the Pixon12 and Satio. Ironically, Eldzar himself confirmed this ....

Exactly. Putting S^3 on N8 and then saying that it will be the only high end smartphone with S^3 and that they are moving to MeeGo is ridiculous.

The problem here is that MeeGo is still in pre-alpha stage and it can't be in production any time soon. It's a time taking process. Due to the adoption of MeeGo, they gave up Maemo (which is a bad decision). Now, the only platform left for them is Symbian and they wanted an OS that can do things that every other smartphone does. Went with S60, refined it, added few things here and there and named it S^3. People are not able to understand that in case of N8, it's the hardware that is resulting in the the buzz and not the UI. A better OS on N8 would have made it the most awaited phone of this year and would've put it up in the big league. Now, it's just another symbian phone with a good camera!

 

[ISHROCZ_14]

till now i have got more than 5 symbian cell phones .. the best of the lot is N73 m ..the only problem .. LAAAAG !!! (

 

[desiibond]

till now i have got more than 5 symbian cell phones .. the best of the lot is N73 m ..the only problem .. LAAAAG !!! (

Lag is one thing that you may not face on N8. hardware acceleration should be able to keep that slowness away.

 

[soumalidon]

does the phone feel bulky in hand? Is it easy to use with one hand?? It is priced very well though..

 

[Lord Nemesis]

wow. I am against Nokia hanging on to Symbian. Did I say that Nokia has to move to Android? If you read carefully, I said Nokia should've stayed with Maemo.

And anyways, you go on and on about Symbian. When Nokia themselves are moving on from Symbian (for smartphones), who cares.

btw, MeeGo for handsets makes its first appearance -- Engadget

This is the beginning of the end for S^3. This platform has not even released yet and it's already ready to die.

Developers are not bothered about Symbian

Nokia is slowly moving on from Symbian

Other handset manufacturers don't give a damn about Symbian

And you think that Symbian will rule and Android will end. WOW. What a futuristic thought Sir Jee.

PS: Now, enough of this symbian freakism. There is better work to do than trying to explain the death of Symbian. You stick to Symbian while I, with other non-sym users enjoy the new gen OS that actual does more than calling and texting and taking pictures.

Don't make things up. Where did I say anything up about Android dying. I said multiple platforms should exist and each have their own market. You are the one saying that Nokia should have put Android on N8. You are the one talking about Symbian dying and Android taking over and its quite hilarious to hear stuff like that considering Symbian has currently more than twice the market share of Android. That reminded me of a PS3 Fanboi who challenged me 3 years back saying that PS3 would replace all PC's with its Other OS (Linux) option. LOL

The only way for Symbain to die is for Nokia to kill it deliberately. As long Symbain phones are made, there would be people ready to buy them. I don't see Nokia killing Symbain. And just to make it clear any misconceptions you seem be having

Smart phone != high end phone that costs 20k+

Smart phone != Nokia N-Series Phones

And yeah, don't dare to tell me what I should stick to. I use what ever pleases me. I said N8 makes for a great package for its price. Did I say that I would buy it? The phone does not appeal to me due to certain factors. So my next purchase would be an Android phone. And just because I buy one doesn't change the fact that Symbian is a great platform nor would I sing a new tune like you.

 

[desiibond]

Don't make things up. Where did I say anything up about Android dying. I said multiple platforms should exist and each have their own market. You are the one talking about Symbian dying and Android taking over and its quite hilarious to hear stuff like that considering Symbian has currently more than twice the market share of Android. That reminded me of a PS3 Fanboi who challenged me 3 years back saying that PS3 would replace all PC's with its Other OS (Linux) option.

And yeah, don't dare to tell me what I should stick to. I use what ever pleases me.

please. it was a response to your made-up statement "People like Mr. Bond here wants Nokia and everyone phone manufacturer to shift to Android". so, before you accuse me, look in the mirror first! And you remind me of fanboy who was arguing with me a few months ago that Windows Mobile 6 will rule the world!

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does the phone feel bulky in hand? Is it easy to use with one hand?? It is priced very well though..

It should be easy to hold in one hand. it's dimensions are more or less similar to iphone 3GS's dimensions. Few operations do require you to hold the phone with both hands though (very few).

 

[soumalidon]

the N9 will have symbian^3 too Video and images of Symbian^3- powered Nokia N9 slider surface - GSMArena.com news

N8 will not be the last symbian phone...

 

[desiibond]

the N9 will have symbian^3 too Video and images of Symbian^3- powered Nokia N9 slider surface - GSMArena.com news

N8 will not be the last symbian phone...

Again, the Nokia N9 Slips Out to Show Off its 4" Screen and 8MP Camera

For Now!

I was relieved to see the Nokia N9 surface, with a nice-looking slide-out QWERTY and 8MP camera. It's been a long time coming for Nokia, even if it's shown running Symbian for now. These new specs sound pretty decent.

and this one in comments

I have no links. I work with some Nokia engineers and one of them was testing the phone.

I can' only say that it's running Meego and that it's not the phone in this video.

of gsmarena article.

 

[soumalidon]

we'll only know when the phone comes i guess...i hate speculations and rumors

 

[dhruvrock2000]

When Nokia themselves are moving on from Symbian (for smartphones), who cares.

btw, MeeGo for handsets makes its first appearance -- Engadget

This is the beginning of the end for S^3. This platform has not even released yet and it's already ready to die.

Who said that Nokia is moving away from Symbian ???? It is just being shifted to the under 20k mid range handset market. This is the audience which buys the maximum phones.

Tell me which high end Android phone with 600Mhz proc etc and a feature set which is actually worth getting goes for under that ??? There is none and majority of the people are buying cellphones in the 10-15k range max.

Quite saying that Developers dont care about Symbian , as it was rightly said earlier in the thread , the Ovi App Store is a pathetic way to judge that as the applications are fragmented on self hosted websites.

In fact it is quite impossible to judge how many applications it has considering it runs native s60 apps , java , Qt , Python , Ruby.

With Qt coming to all future S^3 , MeeGo , S^4 handsets , all applications will be cross compatible so there will be no dearth of applications.

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the N9 will have symbian^3 too Video and images of Symbian^3- powered Nokia N9 slider surface - GSMArena.com news

N8 will not be the last symbian phone...

That is not the N9 , it is most probably the Nokia E7 ((naming convention has not been confirmed yet ... but it is definitely not the N9)

 

[Lord Nemesis]

please. it was a response to your made-up statement "People like Mr. Bond here wants Nokia and everyone phone manufacturer to shift to Android". so, before you accuse me, look in the mirror first!

Do you deny saying that you want Nokia to move away from Symbain? Then you also make up a imaginary list of combo's N8 with Symbian, N8 with Maemo and N8 with Android and ask which ask would be best combo? Now what would be reason behind making such a list and asking a question. There was at atleast one more instance where another guy said N8 should have been made with Android which is why I did not refer to you only, rather said "People like Mr.Bond". I did not make any thing up like you.

In any case, I am done arguing with you. I say nothings going to happen to Symbian unless Nokia goes insane and shoot's itself in the foot. Nokia deciding not to use Symbian in N-Series means jack for symbian. It simply means that Nokia is going to organize their phones and and platforms in a slightly better manner. Smart phone or not N-Series are all meant to be feature phones. The workhorse and business class smart phones do not even come under N-Series.

You on the other hand say that Symbain will die under the weight or MeeGo and Android. So lets just wait and see what happens in the future.

 

[desiibond]

Do you deny saying that you want Nokia to move away from Symbain? Then you also make up a imaginary list of combo's N8 with Symbian, N8 with Maemo and N8 with Android and ask which ask would be best combo? Now what would be reason behind making such a list and asking a question. There was at atleast one more instance where another guy said N8 should have been made with Android which is why I did not refer to you only, rather said "People like Mr.Bond". I did not make any thing up like you.

In any case, I am done arguing with you. I say nothings going to happen to Symbian unless Nokia goes insane and shoot's itself in the foot. Nokia deciding not to use Symbian in N-Series means jack for symbian. It simply means that Nokia is going to organize their phones and and platforms in a slightly better manner. Smart phone or not N-Series are all meant to be feature phones. The workhorse and business class smart phones do not even come under N-Series.

You on the other hand say that Symbain will die under the weight or MeeGo and Android. So lets just wait and see what happens in the future.

dude. The reason why Nokia is frantically searching for a new platform is Symbian's inability to compete with Android/iOS/winpho7, so please oh please, cut the crap of don't wanna argue with you stuff. Many, infact most feel that N8 would've been better if it came out with a better OS. So, if you think that symbian is enough for N8 then you are in the elite almost-extinct group of Nokia followers.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

^^ You should cut the crap. You are too damn clueless if you think Symbian would go extinct just because you think it's old. Symbain doesn't even need to compete with Android or iOS or WinMobo. Nokia may be looking for is an alternative OS for their premium offerings, but that doesn't mean the end of the world for symbian. Symbain doesn't even need to be in premium phones. With its low system requirements, Nokia can churn out very functional low to mid budget sub 10k Symbian phones that sell in more volumes than those premium phones that only a select population can afford to buy.

Even WinMo thats considered by many people to be inferior to Symbian in a lot of ways and and has only a 10th of symbian's market share is still not dead and continuing with the next iteration, so how would you expect that someone would take your BS seriously.