Where is TE Heading - II

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ggt said:
I too never understand the difference .
People talk openly about downloading HD movies from p2p.
People mention the source of trackers of what the trackers specialise in.
But if some sites give those links to some file hosting sites their posts are given warning of given infraction.
This under the pretext of promoting piracy when the fact is that torrent are the major source of pirate content.
If there is copyright infringement to file hosts the can put under complaint and the file is deleted.
This cant be done in torrent yet discussing p2p is fine :S
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The confusion is bound to happen. Let me help you a bit to clarify:

This is a technology forum, and we as a group understand that P2P is integral. It is extremely difficult to draw a finite and succinct line distinguishing the legal from the illegal. For the same reason we let people discuss the content within trackers and they different types of trackers which are available. But are not too happy if direct DL links are placed on the board pages. Reasons being: track backs, TE coming up in searches for warez links, and various other legal ramifications which direct mention of torrent links carry.

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Sei said:
Release links? When did I ever ask for that? I asked for sites :|

Please tell why these threads were not thrashed -

http://www.techenclave.com/p2p/tracker-hd-movies-xbox-360-games-184692.html

http://www.techenclave.com/p2p/which-is-best-indian-torrent-site-139949.html
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I am not sure why your threads were thrashed then, highly probable the way you framed the master post it was felt that you were asking for direct links and/or directs to illegal content. To be safe you can mention "please give me generic tracker names, am not looking for torrent links". People do this to keep it clean. There can be an error in concepts, and mods are more than willing to revert.

In both the above threads, though I glanced through them fast -- I could not see a mention of a .torrent link..? Did you find any..? As I mentioned we are discussing trackers in those threads, and not pointing to .torrent links.
 
asingh said:
The confusion is bound to happen. Let me help you a bit to clarify:

This is a technology forum, and we as a group understand that P2P is integral. It is extremely difficult to draw a finite and succinct line distinguishing the legal from the illegal. For the same reason we let people discuss the content within trackers and they different types of trackers which are available. But are not too happy if direct DL links are placed on the board pages. Reasons being: track backs, TE coming up in searches for warez links, and various other legal ramifications which direct mention of torrent links carry.
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While I totally understand the words written above, you still haven't answered my question. Was the thread "Please suggest some good sites to get ebooks from" worthy of being thrashed
 
Well, the reason I mentioned the name of the mod is because i just named the sites from where you could get HD content, did not give links to it. Got an infraction.
 
Sei said:
While I totally understand the words written above, you still haven't answered my question. Was the thread "Please suggest some good sites to get ebooks from" worthy of being thrashed
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If that is all you wrote in the thread. Its has to be backed up to substantiate exactly what you want. Not asking you to bend the truth, but just be clear.

Yes.

:)

Why:

Please suggest some good sites to get ebooks from
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Please suggest = asking

good sites = torrent sites+free sites

get = download

ebooks = content

from = source

I guess you can piece together what the moderator who deleted the post perceived it to be.
 
avi said:
They play Ra.One multiplayer with Gannu & kill SRK every damn time possible :rofl:
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It gets worse. I saw this few days ago:
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But wait...there's more. I received a press invitation and look what happened:
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Beware, he wants the gamers to be his chamak challo :P. Mods are cooking something really really bad :P.
 
asingh said:
If that is all you wrote in the thread. Its has to be backed up to substantiate exactly what you want. Not asking you to bend the truth, but just be clear.

Yes.

:)

Why:

Please suggest = asking

good sites = torrent sites+free sites

get = download

ebooks = content

from = source

I guess you can piece together what the moderator who deleted the post perceived it to be.
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This is Quite interesting. I must say that the mod who trashed this thread is definitely a piracy lover, cause until and unless you think in such a manner, you cannot comprehend this simple line.

My dear friend, there are if not thousand then at-least a hundred sites where you can get e-books just for reading online, Google books for that matter, hence in my opinion by thrashing the thread the Section Mod is simple dusting his hands from individually looking into all the posts for piracy links. Law of Physics - 'Let Us Attain Minimum Energy State' = is directly proportional to = 'Let us do minimal amount of work' in Human Practice.

I say, only bad language and traces of piracy should be banned and nothing else. After all if we restrict a lot, it ain't FORUM any more.
 
Sei said:
Sometime back I made a thread asking for a good P2P site for ebooks. My thread was trashed within minutes telling me that it may have legal ramifications and what not. I am not going to name the mod but I wanted to know what was wrong in that as we have dozens of threads where people ask for HD rips, TV rips, invites etc?

Am I still wrong here or the mod was a bit overzealous?:no:
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Overzealous - no . Confused - yes. (and for those wondering if its one of the new mods, this was in 2010 before any of the new mods :P)

Torrent discussion in the P2P section is still a bit of a grey area for us; even I was asking asingh for clarifications a few days back.

We try to stretch the limits while still trying to keep discussion legal. As such this limit is not well defined, and depends on which mod happens to see a thread and his perspective on what is piracy/what isn't. If that vagueness is an issue with you, we can simplify things and ban any torrent related discussion altogether. Will that solve your issue?
 
IMO perspective of all mods should be common... They are the ones running this forum and shouldnt have any differences..

Crazy_Eddy said:
As such this limit is not well defined, and depends on which mod happens to see a thread and his perspective on what is piracy/what isn't.
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asingh said:
If that is all you wrote in the thread. Its has to be backed up to substantiate exactly what you want. Not asking you to bend the truth, but just be clear.

Yes.

:)

Why:

Please suggest = asking

good sites = torrent sites+free sites

get = download

ebooks = content

from = source

I guess you can piece together what the moderator who deleted the post perceived it to be.
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Very creative... no wonder the *insert terrorist group name* terrorists use the same *insert religious book* to incite terrorism as the peace loving *insert religion* uses to justify peace among his and other religions. Everyone can play with words and get different interpretations.

Without the intention to flame, what I simply ask is this -

What should I name the thread? What should the content be in the master post to prevent it from getting trashed? This is because I still haven't gotten an answer to my query. :|
 
^All humans are ain't same mate. Perspective of one differs from other.

or else we need a cloning machine :P
 
chiragsthakur said:
Perspective of all mods should be common... They are the ones running this forum and shouldnt have any differences
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It is hard to have the same perspective.

Not a necessary criteria for a community but for an organization..

But maybe mods can be more considerate where the decision requires explanation.

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I am not finding any fault in the concerned thread matter IF forum allows discussion of HD rips and torrents.

IF it is all about avoiding TE from getting into Track backs then im sure members can start posting links in www.abcd.com\xxx.torrent and ask the readers to manually substitute xxx with the concerned string.

But is it just about that? if not then I do not find the argument very compelling, cause the work around is easily applicable as explained.

but if it is about ethics then completely sack the p2p section. Just as we have different forums for p2p stuff, we have different forums to discuss p2p stuff...why bother here if there is no fine print of usage ?
 
Am just talking about the way of understanding a comment or thread title that too on a forum...I dont have any complaints, but it was just my opinion when Eddy sir said limit is not well defined... Mods should define their limit in this regard.. Dont you think so??

avi said:
^All humans are ain't same mate. Perspective of one differs from other.

or else we need a cloning machine :P
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^Problem is the entire area is a bit grey - afaik torrent trackers are legal and torrents may or may not be legal , so we let the mods take a call. If its resulting in too much ambiguity and since we cant be having a panel discussion for each thread we may have to look at closing down that section and avoiding future confusion for members
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
Overzealous - no . Confused - yes. (and for those wondering if its one of the new mods, this was in 2010 before any of the new mods :P)

Torrent discussion in the P2P section is still a bit of a grey area for us; even I was asking asingh for clarifications a few days back.

We try to stretch the limits while still trying to keep discussion legal. As such this limit is not well defined, and depends on which mod happens to see a thread and his perspective on what is piracy/what isn't. If that vagueness is an issue with you, we can simplify things and ban any torrent related discussion altogether. Will that solve your issue?
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You guys are running the forum and you will be at the receiving end if the forum gets involved in any legal issue so I do not mind any decision that you take. I (or anyone else for that matter) may not like it, but then again, it's not us that are going to face problems.

If you feel that a high-handed approach like banning the P2P section altogether would solve the issue, please go ahead. Torrents are certainly not the reason I have been visiting TE for the past 5.5 years. Also, I am certainly not trying to incite anyone (didn't take the mod's name for the same purpose) but wanted to know where the line was drawn.

Your answer's not helping the case anyways, because if you have noticed, I did not rant like the OP here and disappear. I am simply asking a query because I want to know where if and where I went wrong.

My last post here. These kind of answers don't really add well to the great reputation and respect you have built here. And I mean that without any sarcasm. Peace out.
 
I got infractions for a) using too many......... b) using blue color font & c) OT in a sale thread :P

These I remember so posted, rest I dont even remember lolz
 
Sei said:
I am simply asking a query because I want to know where if and where I went wrong.
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I thought my post kinda clarified that.

You don't have to assume you were wrong. As I explained the lines are grey. We haven't laid out clearly whats allowed/what isn't. Which is why you may sometimes get unfortunately caught in the net depending on which moderator handles it.

We know you haven't been visiting TE solely for the P2P section, so if by eliminating an area that is causing issues we make the rest of your forum stay more enjoyable, it seems like a good idea.

I will also add, the Xbox 360 thread looks like an oversight - which is why we keep stressing : report a post/thread if you feel it does not fit in. There are so many threads popping up daily, its quite easy for a few to slip through, and is certainly not because we are biased.
 
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