whos the real slim shady please stand up
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time 12.18 pm 29th aug and it seems , THAT, IGNORANCE IS BLISS , even in techenclave, 40 percent people say " they care no shit about piracy, biracy stuff,, and still the balance is well maintained with 50-50 for leggi and non-legitimate ones..,
Now aint this pattern similar to our democractic indian elections, a HUNG PARLIAMENT, with majority voters not not turning up,, hmmmn THIS PATTTERN, IS GETTING INTERESTING , OUTTA HERE.
Now aint this pattern similar to our democractic indian elections, a HUNG PARLIAMENT, with majority voters not not turning up,, hmmmn THIS PATTTERN, IS GETTING INTERESTING , OUTTA HERE.
Well I dont use a genuine copy. Why? becoz i cant decide which software should I buy. Of course I cant buy all the software I use. However I prefer to use the free editions for utilities and other stuff. But spare a thot for graphics suites which cost more than my PC.
Similarly there will be many others who have a need for the most functional software in the field they chose. Now they have two choice...
1]. go for the open software which may have all the functionality but would itself take you ages to figure out the software due to lack of support manuals guides.
2]. go to the local shop and get the REAL software for a few bucks which is easy to use and has more text on it than you ever read in your entire life.
If I an afford it I would buy it coz I am one of those fools, or whatver, who take pride in owning the original. But there are hardly such momnets except for music cds.
The pricing I believe is the major factor. Considering that we have a really high per capita income, these things should be priced according to that. Instaed they are priced close to what they fetch in america. Compare the Per capita of 500 (india) to 5000 (america) and talk about affordability.
We usually buy the books of foreign writer if they are available in economy edition. Makes us feel good too but would wedo that f they were available for the actual price as that in USA. Ten times is the difference in the price.
There are so many books I would love to read but when I take a stroll to the biggest bookstore I find that they are over a thousand each. Well I sure can afford a few but when you have limited resources then you dont even buy that single piece which you can afford coz you think that wont be the best return for money. You really think while buying something dont you.
The music industry has lowered the price of cds from 700 to 350. Makes it much more affordable and people like me can buy them more regularly.
What has been done in music and books section can also be implmeneted in the software section. A billion people with 500$ AVERAGE per capita, doesnt seem rosy does it.
Now when PCs are becoming more affordable with a 10K tag lots of people can afford it but then again they cant afford all the software they need. The free versions and the learning versions have limited functionality. You suggest that they shoudl instaed use a free software like linux. You are seriously joking. You expect people to first learn how to use linux. Its like torturing an average user until he pays for windows.
Besides if a kid who has just bought a 20K PC asks his dad that he wants a particular game, software which is say for 1-40K what would his father say. I guess unlimited internet connection would be much cheaper.
Another factor would be availability too. In every region there are lots of people ready to buy legit but they cant coz there isnt one available but the local vendor has all of em on 5Rs cds wich he retails at 50/- The reason for unavailability could be coz there is low demand but it is the responsibility of the companies wich are busy b**ching about piracy to make sure they have an outlet available everywhere and that their pricing is affordable WRT the country. If they are really serious about reducing piracy, you cannot remove it at present for sure, ten they can join hands to come up with a common distribution outlet in various regions. PRICE will still determine the penetration.
Yes piracy is harmful ONLY for the publishers and the development team but that doesnt they start looking at people with disgrace. THey shoudl first revise their policy on pricing. The example that delhiboy gave was indeed one of a kind and in my eyes foolish for the reasons i tried to explain. However I respect people who buy genuine software but most of the times it is coz they can afford it.
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OT: We should have more of such healthy and informative discussions instead of the communal ones which are bound to get overboard. And vicky are you a cyber law student, if yes then I could use some pirated advice and opinions regarding the running of this site and others. :bleh:
Similarly there will be many others who have a need for the most functional software in the field they chose. Now they have two choice...
1]. go for the open software which may have all the functionality but would itself take you ages to figure out the software due to lack of support manuals guides.
2]. go to the local shop and get the REAL software for a few bucks which is easy to use and has more text on it than you ever read in your entire life.
If I an afford it I would buy it coz I am one of those fools, or whatver, who take pride in owning the original. But there are hardly such momnets except for music cds.
The pricing I believe is the major factor. Considering that we have a really high per capita income, these things should be priced according to that. Instaed they are priced close to what they fetch in america. Compare the Per capita of 500 (india) to 5000 (america) and talk about affordability.
We usually buy the books of foreign writer if they are available in economy edition. Makes us feel good too but would wedo that f they were available for the actual price as that in USA. Ten times is the difference in the price.
There are so many books I would love to read but when I take a stroll to the biggest bookstore I find that they are over a thousand each. Well I sure can afford a few but when you have limited resources then you dont even buy that single piece which you can afford coz you think that wont be the best return for money. You really think while buying something dont you.
The music industry has lowered the price of cds from 700 to 350. Makes it much more affordable and people like me can buy them more regularly.
What has been done in music and books section can also be implmeneted in the software section. A billion people with 500$ AVERAGE per capita, doesnt seem rosy does it.
Now when PCs are becoming more affordable with a 10K tag lots of people can afford it but then again they cant afford all the software they need. The free versions and the learning versions have limited functionality. You suggest that they shoudl instaed use a free software like linux. You are seriously joking. You expect people to first learn how to use linux. Its like torturing an average user until he pays for windows.
Besides if a kid who has just bought a 20K PC asks his dad that he wants a particular game, software which is say for 1-40K what would his father say. I guess unlimited internet connection would be much cheaper.
Another factor would be availability too. In every region there are lots of people ready to buy legit but they cant coz there isnt one available but the local vendor has all of em on 5Rs cds wich he retails at 50/- The reason for unavailability could be coz there is low demand but it is the responsibility of the companies wich are busy b**ching about piracy to make sure they have an outlet available everywhere and that their pricing is affordable WRT the country. If they are really serious about reducing piracy, you cannot remove it at present for sure, ten they can join hands to come up with a common distribution outlet in various regions. PRICE will still determine the penetration.
Yes piracy is harmful ONLY for the publishers and the development team but that doesnt they start looking at people with disgrace. THey shoudl first revise their policy on pricing. The example that delhiboy gave was indeed one of a kind and in my eyes foolish for the reasons i tried to explain. However I respect people who buy genuine software but most of the times it is coz they can afford it.
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OT: We should have more of such healthy and informative discussions instead of the communal ones which are bound to get overboard. And vicky are you a cyber law student, if yes then I could use some pirated advice and opinions regarding the running of this site and others. :bleh:
superczar
Juggernaut
Small digression, let me draw a comparison to a mature product which also worls on the underlying principle of IPR protection and which to may have been equally bady affected by piracy....Printed books
However, I can confidently say that 90% + of TE members buy original books, whether course material/fiction or general reading stuff....On the other hand, if everyone on TE were to vote on this poll (for s/w), the result would probably be just the opposite.....
Care to guess the reason why....Becoz most book publishers have the common sense to price book doing a PPP conversion rather than the absolute conversion rate....
Now take a typical middle classed guy who earns 20K a month here ....this guy would be perfectly willing to spend 200Rs on a piece of fiction by his fav author, but if the same book were to be priced at 20$x44, am sure the roadside pirated book vendors would have afield day...after all this guy (and a lot of others like him) wouldn't spend 5% of his monthly salary on a piece of fiction.....
Now if a 90$ copy of windows home would be retailing in India for 900/- (@ a ~ppp rate of 10-1), am sure that 90%+ of TE folks and a majority of the general public too would opt for the genuine version.
With hardware, it may not be possible for manufacturers to use a PPP based pricing regime, but I do not see a reason why such a pricing policy cannot be used for S/W
So before another moron comes shrieking that India is a nation of cheapskates and freeriders witha so called "chalta hai" attitude....think abt it....
However, I can confidently say that 90% + of TE members buy original books, whether course material/fiction or general reading stuff....On the other hand, if everyone on TE were to vote on this poll (for s/w), the result would probably be just the opposite.....
Care to guess the reason why....Becoz most book publishers have the common sense to price book doing a PPP conversion rather than the absolute conversion rate....
Now take a typical middle classed guy who earns 20K a month here ....this guy would be perfectly willing to spend 200Rs on a piece of fiction by his fav author, but if the same book were to be priced at 20$x44, am sure the roadside pirated book vendors would have afield day...after all this guy (and a lot of others like him) wouldn't spend 5% of his monthly salary on a piece of fiction.....
Now if a 90$ copy of windows home would be retailing in India for 900/- (@ a ~ppp rate of 10-1), am sure that 90%+ of TE folks and a majority of the general public too would opt for the genuine version.
With hardware, it may not be possible for manufacturers to use a PPP based pricing regime, but I do not see a reason why such a pricing policy cannot be used for S/W
So before another moron comes shrieking that India is a nation of cheapskates and freeriders witha so called "chalta hai" attitude....think abt it....
Renegade said:
wow ,that was some kinda outburst u showed well i knew pricing was the kill, but then why are we quiet , if software in nowadys life atleast like the windows os which is needed very much for education and imparting education , is akin to
drugs then there should be software price control policy , as there is drug price control policy, where these drug multinationals are forced to follow differential pricing policy for their patent protected drugs , as we are also now a fulfledged member of wto after gatt, and all wipo (world intellectual propert organization)
and trips obligations are obligatory on us now.thus we did amend the patent laws recently in 2005 (if u keep track of these all u must be knowing) we have now, harmonised our laws with trips ( trade related intellectual property laws).
And thus now even softwares will get patent protection in india, which is again funny, as this is getting agitated the world over , that softwares sudnt
b patentable but only copyrighted.... THis stance of indian legislation is very whimsical, howsoever to come back to the topic, so under trips there are policys which say countries which couldnot afford high pricing policy should have mncs charging them as per their affordibility , now i really dunno why in india nobody has comeforward with this, we in india as u said aint as wealthy as our american counterparts and yes that might be 1 reson which pushes us towards software piracy (but what about music industry and cinema industry its the most affected by this piracy holocaust)....but that is not the reason which we sud be giving , for following piracy ,
but one thing which has churned up from our disscussion is that
that is something good but the worst part is we have n. number of allegations
and alibi for following it.
as rightly prompted by zhopudey that there is no fear of law when piracy is commited
drugs then there should be software price control policy , as there is drug price control policy, where these drug multinationals are forced to follow differential pricing policy for their patent protected drugs , as we are also now a fulfledged member of wto after gatt, and all wipo (world intellectual propert organization)
and trips obligations are obligatory on us now.thus we did amend the patent laws recently in 2005 (if u keep track of these all u must be knowing) we have now, harmonised our laws with trips ( trade related intellectual property laws).
And thus now even softwares will get patent protection in india, which is again funny, as this is getting agitated the world over , that softwares sudnt
b patentable but only copyrighted.... THis stance of indian legislation is very whimsical, howsoever to come back to the topic, so under trips there are policys which say countries which couldnot afford high pricing policy should have mncs charging them as per their affordibility , now i really dunno why in india nobody has comeforward with this, we in india as u said aint as wealthy as our american counterparts and yes that might be 1 reson which pushes us towards software piracy (but what about music industry and cinema industry its the most affected by this piracy holocaust)....but that is not the reason which we sud be giving , for following piracy ,
but one thing which has churned up from our disscussion is that
- we all feel deep down inside that piracy is wrong
that is something good but the worst part is we have n. number of allegations
and alibi for following it.
- that our law enforcement is very weak in protecting ipr in this department
as rightly prompted by zhopudey that there is no fear of law when piracy is commited
- and lastly yes there shold be such law as software price control policy which the government has to initiate or we as consumers will have to file a pil in the courts to initiate such process (as is the case with various modern laws the machinery has to be kicked to be started,e.g.., the iim ahmedabad is responsible for starting of this policy where , the financial antecedents of the candidates standing for elections sud be revealed before the election, YES THEY HAD FILED A PIL FOR iT)
and yup cud help u out with cyber laws but took up insolvency as my optional subject in the third year instead of cyber laws :no: as insolvency is scoring
but i could help you out as i know quite a good about ipr laws.
Shripad
Guide
Well I own Windows XP Professional OEM legit copy.
But does that mean i dont do piracy? No.
I have 3 PCs at home. And i have installed same copy on all of them. Works.
There is no way i will but legit copy for all 3.
There is no way a normal person including you will shell out over 20K for office XP or office 2003.
On my main PC i dont have any word suit installed. On 1 there is pirated office which i rarely use. and on other i am using open office.
As far as games goes. I am 99% legit user there. I buy few games but all original bcoz i intend to play the games online. I shelled out $50 for GTA SA. I have original DOOM3, HL2, NFSHS, NFSHP, NFSHP2, NFSPU, NFSU1, NFSU2, BF1942, BF2, Quake 3, FS2004, AOE, COD, CODUO and many more.
I enjoy games and i dont mind paying correct amount for quality software.
And IMHO Windows XP dosent come in Quality software catagory. but i need it. I have bough it and i am misusing 1 copy.
Noone can talk me into doing otherwise.
But does that mean i dont do piracy? No.
I have 3 PCs at home. And i have installed same copy on all of them. Works.
There is no way i will but legit copy for all 3.
There is no way a normal person including you will shell out over 20K for office XP or office 2003.
On my main PC i dont have any word suit installed. On 1 there is pirated office which i rarely use. and on other i am using open office.
As far as games goes. I am 99% legit user there. I buy few games but all original bcoz i intend to play the games online. I shelled out $50 for GTA SA. I have original DOOM3, HL2, NFSHS, NFSHP, NFSHP2, NFSPU, NFSU1, NFSU2, BF1942, BF2, Quake 3, FS2004, AOE, COD, CODUO and many more.
I enjoy games and i dont mind paying correct amount for quality software.
And IMHO Windows XP dosent come in Quality software catagory. but i need it. I have bough it and i am misusing 1 copy.
Noone can talk me into doing otherwise.
superczar said:
first that small digression is a very big digression, thats the only reason why i did not bring in trademarks , copyrights or even the most worst hit music industry and film industry in our gamut , coz the rationale behind our current discussion and the current 1 is totally different.
dude, software is a different playing field, tell me how much u would require to
make a pirated copy of , say the best selling novel, yes and that too in your house, u will buy the necessary equipment
, if u dont have a printing press, he he he, then print it, okay u must be having that high speed commercial printer too in your house hey , so its okay what else u need a good binding machine and its done your 1 pirated copy of "DA VINCIS code " is done and ready for sale , as if its going to be sold, ( mostly 1 our friends will borrow it up for a week and wont pay a dime ).And , yes how much did it cost , the tco , ie, the total cost of ownership, for printing that pirated copy and in relation to low priced legally available paperback how much did u save in percent ????/ to its legal copy.
dude did u get my point............ naah
then take it in relation to this how much is office 2003 available for 13k , single user license (Dear friend superczar, books donot have a single user license, n no. of prople can use it , And with time u donot have to upgrade Ur books , they r timeless and collectors item , only,... exception being here dictionaries and our curriculum books which keep on changing with every sem)
Now coming back to the topic yes , if u wanna make a pirated win office 2003 how much cost wud u incur, downloading the iso image from p2p , lets say u use , cyber cafe for it , like eg.., reliance web world , it wud take 4-5 hours so flat 120 rupees and a cd for 11 rupees and burning cost 25 rupees..,
so below 150 rupees ur copy is done , and now like a good boy.., as we all r
we wont be sharing this copy with anyone atall
hyeah: hyeah: so its in your local area network by tomorrow and now every tom dick and harry has it , so much for the single user license agreement , JUST PUSH THE NEXT BUTTON, has anyone really read the entire license agreement , naah even i havent read the EULA fully,
thus now u see u make copies woth lakhs by paying 150 flat bucks and it increases exponentially like wild fire with this torrents and other advanced p2p , also how much time do u spend with ur novels and your computer,???
or the windows os , and dont tell me u could regenerate profit out of reading novels , but windows does , manty people have minted money using it intheir
normal day today uses or offices that too from pirated copies, do the books follow the same logic pattern.
if they do from any point logically , then i accept that i am a moron and a fool
who is just pissed without reason on our "chalta hai attitude " and we indians with this trend of our RocK Big time , as we sud continue the same ,till, u as an end programmer after years of toiling come out with a startup program , which u find is not reaping u any benefits ,but find it being used on all your neighbourhood computers, thanks to keygens and warez.
and why sud i care a bit about software piracy, please dontt hink microsoft is going to go bankrupt if we donot buy its software and merrily use its knock-off versions, nope this aint happening, but sure its gonna happen with small time start ups who only survive on licensing, as piracy is such an evil when we use a software now we dont mind wether the one we are cracking is now available is by ms or some recent fledgling start up, we just are so addicted to piracy we really dont care.
and as chaos tells and as is with ever researcher thay just hate peple who do not pay respect to ipr, coz they have put in every bit of hardwork to give us the enjoyment that the software is giving, meeting ushing deadlines and also ignoring their family, and in the end we give them respect by showing them the BIG INDIAN THUMB, what i feel in the above poll is that , even the people
who accept that(sorry think that) they have pirated xp as not more at wrong than those reckless ignorant ones "i dont care a shit ones" who care about nothing .
yes , someone told me a way back right , pretty right , when i completed my
b.sc my sir asked me to outta india as i was interested in research in spectrometry, he specifically mentioned " indians dont have any respect for research or sciences if u wanna have good life living in india better do an mba
or switch to some other stream otherwise take up m.sc and do teaching"
This rampant piracy in india is just not a new phenomenon which has sprung up its head , all of a sudden but it was festering since long , right from the brain-drain phenomenon, this piracy thing is only the tip of the ice-berg , deep down below this will rot our entire culture and the respect which we hold for knowledge and valuation which we posses of someones intellectual work.
funkymonkey said:There is no way a normal person including you will shell out over 20K for office XP or office 2003.
On my main PC i dont have any word suit installed. On 1 there is pirated office which i rarely use. and on other i am using open office.
As far as games goes. I am 99% legit user there. I buy few games but all original bcoz i intend to play the games online. I shelled out $50 for GTA SA. I have original DOOM3, HL2, NFSHS, NFSHP, NFSHP2, NFSPU, NFSU1, NFSU2, BF1942, BF2, Quake 3, FS2004, AOE, COD, CODUO and many more.
I enjoy games and i dont mind paying correct amount for quality software.
And IMHO Windows XP dosent come in Quality software catagory. but i need it. I have bough it and i am misusing 1 copy.
Noone can talk me into doing otherwise.
well dude can u make some money out of playing games, nope u cant , now on the office xp thing u mentioned(its meant to make money out of their software) , do u use all the tricks that it has instore , probably u dont as mostly commercial houses do, thats why its christened "OFFICE" xp (for office use) .
well now tell me if i have a product using which u could rake in quiite a decent amount of money , than why sudnt i charge u, and let u go scot free, u did apply for that hugely insanely cost tution classes of yours during your 12 th standard and your gre or mba admissions didnt u, (on that premise that u are an engineering or medical student osr an mba aspirant), why did u then buy their logic that it is worth the amount that they are charging u, or ur insane college fees if u are a paid seat student cant u earn the same or more amount even if u dont end up doing engineering, dhirubhai ambani is no iit or iim grad
.............so why do u think that the fees which we give as tax or the education amount which we spend is alright but paying for using some software which we hardly use in the fullest potential , makes us start cribbing, ....
u cud use abhi word or star office for office xp its a perfect replacement with all required features instead of cracking winrar use other freewares which do the same thing, now piracy has become human nature, and this human nature might soon become habit , and belive me dude bad habits die hard or never die.
And yes piracy is also very well known as a white collar crime.
why aint u guys getting it piracy is not the same thing as copying some cooking method, like if one of your friend has a different way of cooking sphagetti which u like but asks a bomb if he knows thats u gonna use it, so u secretly start using the method,
now this is definetly differnt than software piracy of which i am talking about, first , ur friend did not invest millions in a pursuit in which he never know that it would click, as ms or a matter of fact, any knowledge based industry has done also, saying that
"ms is substadard so i aint paying for it" is totally hypocricsy , why u using a sub-standard product then no one is forcing u, using ms is not a question of anybodys life and death or urs, even if u dont use it u will live happily , with a steep learning curve on linux,
comon dont tell me that linux is more difficult to learn then our ninth standard logarithms and even surd equations .
Shripad
Guide
well think on your own point.
Are most of us here making money using XP? nope. they are using it as a non productive thing.
And you can make money by playing games too u know Be a professional gamer. That is now a profession.
Money is not the bar always.
Office XP is non essential. Ya let them charge more.
Windows on other hand is almost nacessary. Linux has a long way to go yet to become a house hold thing. Its simply not as easy to use and troubleshoot as windows for a begineer, it simply is not.
Ok i am perfectly ok with linux as my desktop os. but i have been using it for past 4 years now. It took me 2 days to get to know everythign essential in Windows. It took me nearly 2 months to properly configure linux on my desktop.
My favourate games are not supported on linux. Linux does not support all of my hardware. Lol even my previous ISP did not support linux ( pacenet ).
And dont worry. microsoft wont go bankrupt any time soon. You know desktop OS is not their biggest playground anymore.
The only reason i am using windows is gaming and support. THe day when there is equal support for Linux i will be the 1st one on this planet to format it forever.
The other problem is pricing of OS here in India.
OEM XP professional costs more than 6K here. And the same thing costs as less as $65 outside india.
Look at the games. Most games that cost $50 in US costs Rs.999 or 1299 or 1499 here exception of very few games. When gaming industry can understand this then why cant microsoft.
Only way they will reduce piracy is by pricing it lower. They will actiually end up making much larger profit.
Price XP home OEM at 1.5K and pro OEM for 3K and piracy of OS will fall by atleast 70% in india.
Whatevery you say you cant stop piracy with current situation where a PC can be built for as less as 10K and you need to pay more than 30% of the cost on a popular OS.
And its not like hardware that Microsoft need to pay the duties for it. They can even get the cds made here locally, package it locally and distribute here locally as done by game distros in India.
Whatever we talk, whatever you have to say its not gona happen anytime soon. Its human tendency, we always want everything free
Are most of us here making money using XP? nope. they are using it as a non productive thing.
And you can make money by playing games too u know
Be a professional gamer. That is now a profession.Money is not the bar always.
Office XP is non essential. Ya let them charge more.
Windows on other hand is almost nacessary. Linux has a long way to go yet to become a house hold thing. Its simply not as easy to use and troubleshoot as windows for a begineer, it simply is not.
Ok i am perfectly ok with linux as my desktop os. but i have been using it for past 4 years now. It took me 2 days to get to know everythign essential in Windows. It took me nearly 2 months to properly configure linux on my desktop.
My favourate games are not supported on linux. Linux does not support all of my hardware. Lol even my previous ISP did not support linux ( pacenet
).And dont worry. microsoft wont go bankrupt any time soon. You know desktop OS is not their biggest playground anymore.
The only reason i am using windows is gaming and support. THe day when there is equal support for Linux i will be the 1st one on this planet to format it forever.
The other problem is pricing of OS here in India.
OEM XP professional costs more than 6K here. And the same thing costs as less as $65 outside india.
Look at the games. Most games that cost $50 in US costs Rs.999 or 1299 or 1499 here exception of very few games. When gaming industry can understand this then why cant microsoft.
Only way they will reduce piracy is by pricing it lower. They will actiually end up making much larger profit.
Price XP home OEM at 1.5K and pro OEM for 3K and piracy of OS will fall by atleast 70% in india.
Whatevery you say you cant stop piracy with current situation where a PC can be built for as less as 10K and you need to pay more than 30% of the cost on a popular OS.
And its not like hardware that Microsoft need to pay the duties for it. They can even get the cds made here locally, package it locally and distribute here locally as done by game distros in India.
Whatever we talk, whatever you have to say its not gona happen anytime soon. Its human tendency, we always want everything free
nice dude but let me give it to u that way , if u made the head if anti-piracy department of india wat steps wud u take to counter down piracy.
that was 1 thing and i never tell that piracy is going to stop, as crime will remain , so will
always be terrorists and nukes and stuff , well its the law of nature good exists to balance the bad, and its utopian to have zero piracy rate even i know that, but
nothing.
YES, nothing sud , go out of balance, recently i did a project work for times music, and was also guiding dj nasha during his filing of copyrights,,, well under my senior hey.
i found out that film and music industry are the first to get slaughtered if the cops dont step in,to help them as they are now fighting piracy big time and they aint huge as ms nor any corporate buys music or movie cds legitimately as corporates do with their softwares, so all their target customers r us and no big paying corporates.,,
u know this one thing, whos behind big time hindi film piracy,big d,yes d gang owns sadaf videos, which has its own studio houses in pakistan, i said this before and say it again piracy is just the tip of the ice berg and theres a different economy lying beneath it , we r really funding crime, and then shout when bomb blasts occur.
the major advert providers on this keygens and warez who provide them the servers to thrive,are porn mafia, well thats also a big story, what did u think all keygen guys are so philanthropic, most of the undercover stuff is smuggled from there including bank records, and other vital state security info, its a big business , piracy is just not u and me buying a road side vista copy for 50 bucks b4 its release, and poking fun on ms ,
(first of all dont think i am getting paid from ms for all these but just i took its eg as that is the product widely used , i also in ur camp as far as this ms goes)buts its about its proper release b4 date the huge amount amount of money involved in its getting leaked, someone out there got a huge cut, and even our already callous law enforcement getting more callous.
if this piracy goes on at this rampant rate it wont be long before we see only remixes of our old favourites as there is no incentive left for the author to work if his work is getting no rewards , so then be ready for more remixes and lousy cinema
that was 1 thing and i never tell that piracy is going to stop, as crime will remain , so will
always be terrorists and nukes and stuff , well its the law of nature good exists to balance the bad, and its utopian to have zero piracy rate even i know that, but
nothing.
YES, nothing sud , go out of balance, recently i did a project work for times music, and was also guiding dj nasha during his filing of copyrights
,,, well under my senior hey.i found out that film and music industry are the first to get slaughtered if the cops dont step in,to help them as they are now fighting piracy big time and they aint huge as ms nor any corporate buys music or movie cds legitimately as corporates do with their softwares, so all their target customers r us and no big paying corporates.,,
u know this one thing, whos behind big time hindi film piracy,big d,yes d gang owns sadaf videos, which has its own studio houses in pakistan, i said this before and say it again piracy is just the tip of the ice berg and theres a different economy lying beneath it , we r really funding crime, and then shout when bomb blasts occur.
the major advert providers on this keygens and warez who provide them the servers to thrive,are porn mafia, well thats also a big story, what did u think all keygen guys are so philanthropic, most of the undercover stuff is smuggled from there including bank records, and other vital state security info, its a big business , piracy is just not u and me buying a road side vista copy for 50 bucks b4 its release, and poking fun on ms ,
(first of all dont think i am getting paid from ms for all these but just i took its eg as that is the product widely used , i also in ur camp as far as this ms goes)buts its about its proper release b4 date the huge amount amount of money involved in its getting leaked, someone out there got a huge cut, and even our already callous law enforcement getting more callous.
if this piracy goes on at this rampant rate it wont be long before we see only remixes of our old favourites as there is no incentive left for the author to work if his work is getting no rewards , so then be ready for more remixes and lousy cinema
funkymonkey said:well think on your own point.
Are most of us here making money using XP? nope. they are using it as a non productive thing.
And you can make money by playing games too u know
dont compare a sport with your day to day life activities, gaming cannot support
livelihoods of the silicon valley people and who work on software for their livelihood, as i cannot aspire to be in indian cricket team as i would be gambling with my future, same is the case with professional gaming only few will survive others will lose big time,
but with ms products lotta ppl make money, and thats indisputable right from outsourcing hubs to people using .net and also office xp is an essential tool in marketing, where as tally has made a mark in accountancy and etc etc...,
now why theres proper pricing in gaming and other software depsrtments but not ms well, THINK THINK THINK, r people fools to pay such a high price for a
sub standard product,... Why not use mac or linux then, if it wouldnt be for windows and mac was the dominant os , belive me it literacy would had been all time low.,,,, so whats the reason that people are accepting their high prices,
Well sun solaris is there and n no. of other oses , but the only reason is that
windows is so dominant coz it has cannibalized on its competitors, theres no alternative except windows, and this is a circular logic .
HERE IT GOES, there is no other dominant os than windows bcoz windows always kept quite even when there was rampant piracy it knew, this piracy will ineffect become aboon as after some years there will be major pool programmers who will be working on their platform and so it has never retaliated its only waiting when it really crushes out the entire competition , till we all get totally dependant on them , and all thanks to this rampant piracy.
as its so easy to get a windows copy and such a large user base where u could get help, if u have noticed this clearly now microsoft earns very less from home users comparitively to its gaming departments a.k.a xbox and halo..., and also from
its corporate users (who cannot use pirated copies otherwise they will drown in million dollar suits), thus they keeping quiet and also giving us updates even if they know its not from a registered user.
Yes piracy has got lot a dimensions , its like chess where the hunter will soon find himself hunted, CHECKMATE
livelihoods of the silicon valley people and who work on software for their livelihood, as i cannot aspire to be in indian cricket team as i would be gambling with my future, same is the case with professional gaming only few will survive others will lose big time,
but with ms products lotta ppl make money, and thats indisputable right from outsourcing hubs to people using .net and also office xp is an essential tool in marketing, where as tally has made a mark in accountancy and etc etc...,
now why theres proper pricing in gaming and other software depsrtments but not ms well, THINK THINK THINK, r people fools to pay such a high price for a
sub standard product,... Why not use mac or linux then, if it wouldnt be for windows and mac was the dominant os , belive me it literacy would had been all time low.,,,, so whats the reason that people are accepting their high prices,
Well sun solaris is there and n no. of other oses , but the only reason is that
windows is so dominant coz it has cannibalized on its competitors, theres no alternative except windows, and this is a circular logic .
HERE IT GOES, there is no other dominant os than windows bcoz windows always kept quite even when there was rampant piracy it knew, this piracy will ineffect become aboon as after some years there will be major pool programmers who will be working on their platform and so it has never retaliated its only waiting when it really crushes out the entire competition , till we all get totally dependant on them , and all thanks to this rampant piracy.
as its so easy to get a windows copy and such a large user base where u could get help, if u have noticed this clearly now microsoft earns very less from home users comparitively to its gaming departments a.k.a xbox and halo..., and also from
its corporate users (who cannot use pirated copies otherwise they will drown in million dollar suits), thus they keeping quiet and also giving us updates even if they know its not from a registered user.
Yes piracy has got lot a dimensions , its like chess where the hunter will soon find himself hunted, CHECKMATE
superczar
Juggernaut
Hey Vicky, think I'll need some time to read thru all that you said and reply back...ll do that tonight....but for the time being, this is all I'll say
Thin you missed my point altogether
Scenario I: An American ( say a fresher who just joined as a coder with Oracle) sees a new Dan brown book...he checks teh price,,,sticker says 20$, he does a quick cost -benefit analysis inside his head, and feels it's easily worth 1% of his monthly salary of 2000$..so he gladly picks up the book
Scenario II: An Indian (Yes, the same cheapskate Indian who many love to badmouth about) walks into a bookstore, sees a new Dan Brown book...sticker say 200 rs (coz the publisher had the sense to use a PPP based pricing for an IPR protected product) the guy feels it's worth 1% of his monthly salary of 20000Rs, so he gladly picks it up....
Scenario III: The same guy walks in the book store, checks the sticker price on his fav
Dan brown....20*44=880Rs...What does he do, he walks to the pirated bookseller at teh besant Negar beach (Or CP, or esplanade) and picks it up for 50/-
It's a simple question of how much value a person derives out of an investment , and how much is that investment worth in relative terms to the person....
The value equation as it is termed by some economists
gtg now so Before we continue this discussion further maybe a little later , I'd leave you with a simple question....What'd you do if you earn Rs. 5K a month....your daughter is down with an acute fever and a single course of antibiotics will set you back by 6K
Thin you missed my point altogether
Scenario I: An American ( say a fresher who just joined as a coder with Oracle) sees a new Dan brown book...he checks teh price,,,sticker says 20$, he does a quick cost -benefit analysis inside his head, and feels it's easily worth 1% of his monthly salary of 2000$..so he gladly picks up the book
Scenario II: An Indian (Yes, the same cheapskate Indian who many love to badmouth about) walks into a bookstore, sees a new Dan Brown book...sticker say 200 rs (coz the publisher had the sense to use a PPP based pricing for an IPR protected product) the guy feels it's worth 1% of his monthly salary of 20000Rs, so he gladly picks it up....
Scenario III: The same guy walks in the book store, checks the sticker price on his fav
Dan brown....20*44=880Rs...What does he do, he walks to the pirated bookseller at teh besant Negar beach (Or CP, or esplanade) and picks it up for 50/-
It's a simple question of how much value a person derives out of an investment , and how much is that investment worth in relative terms to the person....
The value equation as it is termed by some economists
gtg now so Before we continue this discussion further maybe a little later , I'd leave you with a simple question....What'd you do if you earn Rs. 5K a month....your daughter is down with an acute fever and a single course of antibiotics will set you back by 6K
Shripad
Guide
@vicky
You need to update yourself.
Gaming is multi billion $$$ industry. i am talking about PC and console gaming.
The profesiona gamers exsists. Professional gamers live luxorious lifestyles. This is a fact.
And gaming and sport are not 1 thing , i am talking about gaming and not sports and our cricket team.
There are whole lot of people and companies and industries who make billions using linux. Linux is a solid OS. Its just not reached popularity in desktop OS yet. Its already giving windows a run for its money in the server segment.
But I think this whole thing started keeping common users like us in the mind from your first post. So my replies were regarding common users like us. Not taking in mind the whole industry and world.
You can keep on contradicting. There is no end to that
But that wont change facts that the product is over priced. People who wana buy them will buy them. people who dont they will switch to other platform or pirate it.
I may be the person having least pirated stuff on my main PC here.
I do not have 1000s of MP3s on my PC. Actiually i have only 4 CD full of music ripped from my original CD.
But that dosent mean I cant understand why people pirate, specially the OS.
There are priorities for everyone. Paying for OS or any software is not the highest priority for many people. If they decide to do that most of the times they need to sacrifise something in hardware to compensate the cost of legit os.
I bought the original OS bcoz I had the budget and i got my copy at special price due to some connections with M$
ANd you will see legit copies of windows installed these days where PC is used for commercial use. Thats almost a compulsion these days and not many take chances there these days. Every new business , college PCs have legit os these days.
THere are more than 100 PCs in my college and all have legit OS installed in the form of multi user license.
My father's hospital uses legit windows.
Thats valid point. where it is used to make money it must be a legit software, 100% guaranteed.
If you cant afford then dont use it or use something else.
Its like income tax. Everyone tries to save tax by one way or other.
You need to update yourself.
Gaming is multi billion $$$ industry. i am talking about PC and console gaming.
The profesiona gamers exsists. Professional gamers live luxorious lifestyles. This is a fact.
And gaming and sport are not 1 thing , i am talking about gaming and not sports and our cricket team.
There are whole lot of people and companies and industries who make billions using linux. Linux is a solid OS. Its just not reached popularity in desktop OS yet. Its already giving windows a run for its money in the server segment.
But I think this whole thing started keeping common users like us in the mind from your first post. So my replies were regarding common users like us. Not taking in mind the whole industry and world.
You can keep on contradicting. There is no end to that
But that wont change facts that the product is over priced. People who wana buy them will buy them. people who dont they will switch to other platform or pirate it.
I may be the person having least pirated stuff on my main PC here.
I do not have 1000s of MP3s on my PC. Actiually i have only 4 CD full of music ripped from my original CD.
But that dosent mean I cant understand why people pirate, specially the OS.
There are priorities for everyone. Paying for OS or any software is not the highest priority for many people. If they decide to do that most of the times they need to sacrifise something in hardware to compensate the cost of legit os.
I bought the original OS bcoz I had the budget and i got my copy at special price due to some connections with M$
ANd you will see legit copies of windows installed these days where PC is used for commercial use. Thats almost a compulsion these days and not many take chances there these days. Every new business , college PCs have legit os these days.
THere are more than 100 PCs in my college and all have legit OS installed in the form of multi user license.
My father's hospital uses legit windows.
Thats valid point. where it is used to make money it must be a legit software, 100% guaranteed.
If you cant afford then dont use it or use something else.
Its like income tax. Everyone tries to save tax by one way or other.
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funkymonkey said:
i dint contradict did i, :bleh: well dude the thing is i really wanted all u peoples real thought about piracy and if u count or make from, their arguments, its almost 50-50 ppl outta here using legit stuff and almost all gamers sure r using legal game titles, but as u said do piracy only if u need to, dont do it for fun.
and guys i am seriously running outta back -up now ,
any body in my camp.....
its cs scene now ,a camper stuck alone, i am gonna get my knife out now
hyeah: hyeah: :tongue:
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superczar said:
first beg, borrow and lastly steel, or come up with hotmail like sabeeer bahtia
no better post a thread on te market section will fetch anything for any price will easily fetch 5k (jus pullin your leg hey).
superczar said:
okay okay and why u be reading my thread in the nite do smthin better
at nite than reading my thread
Shripad
Guide
As long as you put your point forword its fine. but the way you post makes me feel you try to impose your thoughts on others
Thats how i feel, we feel. You feel otherwise. Fine. Nothing wrong with it. I feel like things needs to be practically priced here. Thats it. I couldnt justify the 5K i paid for my XP prof for months to myself but thats something I had decided long time ago and i paid for it. But surely i cannot expect every PC user in india to pay atleast 3.5K for XP Home or stay away from user friendly PC experience.
My dad's driver has PC for his daughter. I wont even dare to tel him install legit windows on his PC. I actiually gave him some of my old parts so he could minimise cost. I would not say to him that make his 8 year old daughter use Linux or dont let her learn and enjoy PC. He paid for his PC in 1 year by adjusting small amounts from his salary. What solution Microsoft has for this?
They must consider the situation here. THey should not expect us to shell out exactly same money as the people in US do in reality. buts we are actiually made to pay more. 3 folds more in case of XP professional OEM.
My friend got the job in US with M$ 2 years back. And his pay there is US$ 4.5K/ month. And microsoft recruited some students from comp and it from our college and they are offering them the pay of 21K. Also one of my brother's friends was sent to US by M$. and they paid him 3.3K/ month and his co workers in US 4K per month which were doing same job as him only bcoz he was sent there from India. These things happen. This descrimination is done. They see at us as cheap resource.
When they expect us to do job of same talent, same position, same hard work for less they must consider their OS prices in India too. They outsource their jobs here bcoz we do it cheaper then they should also consider pricing their products cheaper here too.
Thats my viewpoint.
Thats how i feel, we feel. You feel otherwise. Fine. Nothing wrong with it. I feel like things needs to be practically priced here. Thats it. I couldnt justify the 5K i paid for my XP prof for months to myself but thats something I had decided long time ago and i paid for it. But surely i cannot expect every PC user in india to pay atleast 3.5K for XP Home or stay away from user friendly PC experience.
My dad's driver has PC for his daughter. I wont even dare to tel him install legit windows on his PC. I actiually gave him some of my old parts so he could minimise cost. I would not say to him that make his 8 year old daughter use Linux or dont let her learn and enjoy PC. He paid for his PC in 1 year by adjusting small amounts from his salary. What solution Microsoft has for this?
They must consider the situation here. THey should not expect us to shell out exactly same money as the people in US do in reality. buts we are actiually made to pay more. 3 folds more in case of XP professional OEM.
My friend got the job in US with M$ 2 years back. And his pay there is US$ 4.5K/ month. And microsoft recruited some students from comp and it from our college and they are offering them the pay of 21K. Also one of my brother's friends was sent to US by M$. and they paid him 3.3K/ month and his co workers in US 4K per month which were doing same job as him only bcoz he was sent there from India. These things happen. This descrimination is done. They see at us as cheap resource.
When they expect us to do job of same talent, same position, same hard work for less they must consider their OS prices in India too. They outsource their jobs here bcoz we do it cheaper then they should also consider pricing their products cheaper here too.
Thats my viewpoint.