whos the real slim shady please stand up

[Viking]

As long as you put your point forword its fine. but the way you post makes me feel you try to impose your thoughts on others

Thats how i feel, we feel. You feel otherwise. Fine. Nothing wrong with it.

how many times have i to reiterate this thread is about piracy and not ms f*&% ms i dont care a dime about them , i aint their marketing guy , nor have i got any thing to do with them, as windows is the widely used os so i used it,

tell me just did u enjoy ur experience in my thread,and got no personal vendetta against any one of u nor wud i tolerate if any one has with me, i always try to be very objective and there is no subjective or prejudicial remarks on anybody, at any point of time if u feel i am hurting anybodies sentiments and i will ask the mods to delete it, i am even humble eno to take my word back, but will also expect the same from others,

and plz do tell me guys even u funky i will howsoever start a new thread on it , do think there must be a software price control policy in india, i know windows has comeup with its very castrated os version which is cheap (but not 50 bucks hey )but it aint giving the kinda deal it should be giving...........(i cant remeber its name though)

this argument i remember has been very anti-ms but i knew this before inception and was game for it, if not for my constant logical arguments this entire thread wud had become a anti-ms rally hyeah: hyeah: .........

with us missing out the real element of ipr , i again wud like to reiterate keep

ms aside and give replies objectively and not subjectively , a constructive argument is always greeted.

 

[Viking]

My dad's driver has PC for his daughter. I wont even dare to tel him install legit windows on his PC. I actiually gave him some of my old parts so he could minimise cost. I would not say to him that make his 8 year old daughter use Linux or dont let her learn and enjoy PC. He paid for his PC in 1 year by adjusting small amounts from his salary. What solution Microsoft has for this?
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dude u havent gone thru my thread properly i have mentioned that using a copyrighted thing outside copyright for education purposes is not considered by law as piracy and its a good defense in law for piracy related case, it also known as fair use case( thats the thing many people dont know the laws , i will howsoever post all loopholes of all copyrights in case u get caught someday lolz :rofl: ), thus for educational institutions there is a separate license available from microsoft depending on your usage and negotiating power and ur strata or class they may
offer u completely free as they have done so with many.., Melinda foundations, or charge u a very nominal amount.

 

[chip_0]

gtg now so Before we continue this discussion further maybe a little later , I'd leave you with a simple question....What'd you do if you earn Rs. 5K a month....your daughter is down with an acute fever and a single course of antibiotics will set you back by 6K

I agree with most of your points, but we have to realise that the personal computer and software are a luxury, and not a neccessity. If using a free OS or software is just an inconvenience, in terms of learning new things, I see no excuse in pirating a popular commercial product.

But yes, I agree with Count_Down on the fact that when things are of academic importance (like books, papers), maybe there should be a relaxation in piracy rules.

 

[Viking]

I agree with most of your points, but we have to realise that the personal computer and software are a luxury, and not a neccessity. If using a free OS or software is just an inconvenience, in terms of learning new things, I see no excuse in pirating a popular commercial product.

But yes, I agree with Count_Down on the fact that when things are of academic importance (like books, papers), maybe there should be a relaxation in piracy rules.

i feel that linux group is gonna lynch us al as we have by one way or other always come to the conclusion that linux aint good for desktops and windows is the most userfriendly os.​

 

[Kumar]

^^^ thats a fact,linux is not even remotely usable for our parents/grand parents or completely n00bs.

It takes a large amount of time to just troubleshoot my parent's windows box over a phone line now imagine doing that in linux and ull understand what i mean...for an easy example,tell an ordinary person to configure a win modem (which is still most widely used to connect to the net.)

here one point that must be remembered is its a fact that piracy in a way helped windows popularize.

 

[Shripad]

heh, i am a strong supporter of linux and stilli feel it has some way to go before it becomes a threat for windows as far as desktop OS goes.

And As far as personal computer being a luxary, its no more luxary than say a radio and TV these days.

 

[Count_Down]

@vicky, some of your points seem contardictary to me. If every company wants to take a pie of the money you make using their sw, then why openoffice is free? Secondly, somebody does not make money just by using MS Office. it is just a tool. That way pens and pencils should also be priced according to the returns fetched by any papers/manuscripts written by using those.

@ujjwal, I have to differ with you mate. I think computers and s/w are no longer luxury goods. Do you consider education a luxury good?

Regarding Linux, I feel that once copyright protection is imposed strictly and MS becomes really strict with their product licenses, Linux usage will boom. And that explains why nobody wants a VERY strict IP regime and copy protection-and yes, that includes MS.

PS. I saw that Kumar is also making a similar argument.
Edit. MS is indeed trying to push a 'low priced edition' in developing countries- the Windows XP Starter Edition!!

 

[Viking]

@vicky, some of your points seem contardictary to me. If every company wants to take a pie of the money you make using their sw, then why openoffice is free? Secondly, somebody does not make money just by using MS Office. it is just a tool. That way pens and pencils should also be priced according to the returns fetched by any papers/manuscripts written by using those.

FIRST OF ALL , good set of analogy u got there , but it more of sophistry, first let me understand what u are asking here , u mean to tell me that, even oppenoffice is made using some scripts from other companies or tools available from other companies, then how come its free, is it so?

well if ur question is that then u haved entered the arena of software patents and copyrights where law is also very dicey, some countries feel that software is patentable others feel it aint, as others say iys just a pure jugglery of pure math, and no invention involved, so if the oppen office is under cross licensing agreement of other companies it can mighty well be free under the free software community group , will have to check out about that from its license agreement.well for commercial purposes or support they must be applying their fees

Secondly, somebody does not make money just by using MS Office. it is just a tool. That way pens and pencils should also be priced according to the returns fetched by any papers/manuscripts written by using those.

Now parker pens do cost a bomb and special designer 1s too and microsoft also does not ask for any royalty benefits its just a fixed price if u cant afford a parker better take an add gel or a reynolds.

Regarding Linux, I feel that once copyright protection is imposed strictly and MS becomes really strict with their product licenses, Linux usage will boom. And that explains why nobody wants a VERY strict IP regime and copy protection-and yes, that includes MS.

and this is the very point i wanna put across that we are cutting the same branch on which we are perched by spreading ms piracy. its got a wider user base than any kinda marketing wud get that work done, u know under the anti piracy program in uk, for a counter feit copy they are providing a free ms copy,

theres a sinster plan behind this, they just want the linux to be wiped off the face of desktop arena, even if they spend millions of money behind marketing they wud not achieve this which we are facilitating , for them by spreading windows pirated copy all around, their income from us (home users) is negligible even if they ignore that amount , it wont pinch them a bit, but that 8 year poor girl of funkys driver when she might turn up as programmer will always write ms programs as shes got habitual to ms enviornment and feels comfortable in that enviornment.

Only if she wud have been accustomed to linus since childhood the senario would be different, its similar to BJPs campaign of saffronisation or similar to preaching of christianity by missionary schools,Ms is playing big time politics here ,("CATCH eM WHILE THEY R YOUNG ), kinda marketing .MS wants to capture the next 10 years market with sole dominance thats why it even won over chinese government project (even when china is the king of piracy) tenders with ridiculous low tender quotes, yes chinese government has legal ms software (take that in name of piracy).

so on this point i am totally with u, they themselves r pushing their products to be pirated and reach the masses.

VERY TRUE...............piracy is their second marketing department

Edit. MS is indeed trying to push a 'low priced edition' in developing countries- the Windows XP Starter Edition!!

Ahhh.... well thanks for reminding its name, that castrated version of windows

is called , XP STARTER EDITION.........///////////////

dont, u muse sometimes that, these trends, are similar to how east india company started colonising nations, first by offering free or cheap nation adminstration and protection and then when nations started believing, it blindly......, IT MADE THEM SLAVES,,,,,

ARE WE SPREADING SLAVERY IN FORM OF PIRACY VIA P2P .......Think about it

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[chip_0]

@ujjwal, I have to differ with you mate. I think computers and s/w are no longer luxury goods. Do you consider education a luxury good?

Of course not I said that where education is concerned, piracy is a much inferior issue to it. But a home computer is still not affordable to a huge percentage of India, and I will stick to my point that it is a luxury. Sure, it can help in providing access to a good deal of information, but only to a select few. That is why, I see computers in schools, cyber cafe's etc more important than the home computer. IMHO a home computer is as much a luxury as a TV or radio.

^^^ thats a fact,linux is not even remotely usable for our parents/grand parents or completely n00bs.

Ah ... how the hell do I argue with that without taking this thread completely off topic Anyway, IMHO, linux and windows are equally easy to use for the absolute novice. But a seasoned windows user who knows how to do many tasks in windows, but doesn't know much about the internals of a system, would find linux quite frustrating. Yes linux does require a little bit of common sense to use, but that should not be the excuse for using a pirated copy of windows

 

[Renegade]

Anyway, IMHO, linux and windows are equally easy to use for the absolute novice. But a seasoned windows user who knows how to do many tasks in windows, but doesn't know much about the internals of a system, would find linux quite frustrating. Yes linux does require a little bit of common sense to use, but that should not be the excuse for using a pirated copy of windows

Linux requires much more than LITTLE common sense. heck it doesnt even have to do anything with common sense. You absolutely have to know things in linux. Its all about user friendliness and linux is nowhere close.
However having said that the main thing still remains the user frienliness and availability of the apps in linux. If you all did go through my previous post instaed of rushing to make a reply you would find that I did mention about the open source/free apps and the amount of documentation and support available for them as compared to linux. and for me that is excuse enough to use pirated windows and other apps.
Also no amount of awareness and strictness will solve the problem of piracy unless the pricing is revised first. At best you can stop people from using pirated software but thats not the solution. You dont want to stop people from using the software, you want them to pay for that software. Otherwise its just the same as before.

 

[Viking]

so what statistics we got here again 50-50