Would you shift out of India if you had an option ?

raksrules said:
Not being sarcastic or anything But genuinely asking if any of you (people who replied and the one's which didn't) have stayed abroad, as in not for a vacation or business trip but actually staying for few months and living life as a local ?
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I tried this around 8 yrs. back.
I felt a big vacuum in my life after staying abroad for more than three years. Initial first year was well spent and I really enjoyed(what with Honda Accord, Amazon, Best buy and all new and latest gadgets, Hooters, weekend trips blah..blah).
Then I started getting a feeling, as if I am being looked down upon because I am rootless. I couldn't even get into a verbal duel with another Gora, even if he was at fault, without being made to realize that I am a second rate resident in their country. On my friends' advice I went for Green card application.
In the mean time I was missing my adda, my friends, mouth watering street food and even local TV. Mostly I felt that I was missing my right to assert myself without being treated like a parasite. Towards the middle of third year I totally felt like an alien, even if there was promising news of getting a green card sooner. I was desperate to come back to my home town and at last God smiled on me.
In summary, all I can say that I was unhappy while I was 'there'. Here I am not happy but satisfied.
 
Sei said:
This! This is the only part which I absolutely desist about working here. For taking a leave for 4 days at my new job here, I had to come up with all kinds of reasons. I was soooooo pissed off. Now that I have established myself in the company (sort of), I am not going to explain anything ever again. The company is giving me leave and I am going to utilize it. ALL OF IT. Take a hike if you don't understand or don't like it.
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I think this mentality is prevalent because of the ego. Many managers think their subordinates are his/her soldier and should do things only when he is permitted. However, I never faced this problem even though I worked in probably the most strict company in India because I took a different approach. I never ever ask for permission or request for leaves. I just inform the manager that I'll be on leave on so and so date. It all depends on the attitude I guess. Of course I consider before if I am needed critically and my leave plans can be postponed a day or two.
 
I would definitely opt out of this country in a jiffy. But knowing me, I would come back.

Its not just me. 70% of my batch mates migrated right after degree to UK. Yup UK. :S. 50% are already back. All say, never get the feeling of belonging to a place.
I was in Denmark for a month. I was bored out of my mind in 2 weeks. Its so lonely. :(. I went in summer. Still. Soon I will be off to US for few months. Parents are trying to
make it permanent for me. But... Somehow I want to come back.

And Dont understand here also people are talking about work freedom and leaves and all. :S. This is my second company. Even as a fresher, I always took my leaves then just show up.
Dunno why I was like this. But no one ever complained. I have people reporting to me now, still I take leave whenever i feel like. If i have to. Guess my bosses were always
supportive as long as the work is complete. ;). Even if my juniors are bit sick/coldish.. I tell em to get out of the office. :D. But they are scared to do so. :S

Why i want to shift out? Well, the culture. People are nice, I love driving and driving in EU/US is fun. :D. Food, I love having the food experience there.
Just want my parents to be with me. Thats all. Marriage and all is still far way for me I hope.. :S.
 
manoja2k said:
I tried this around 8 yrs. back.
I felt a big vacuum in my life after staying abroad for more than three years. Initial first year was well spent and I really enjoyed(what with Honda Accord, Amazon, Best buy and all new and latest gadgets, Hooters, weekend trips blah..blah).
Then I started getting a feeling, as if I am being looked down upon because I am rootless. I couldn't even get into a verbal duel with another Gora, even if he was at fault, without being made to realize that I am a second rate resident in their country. On my friends' advice I went for Green card application.
In the mean time I was missing my adda, my friends, mouth watering street food and even local TV. Mostly I felt that I was missing my right to assert myself without being treated like a parasite. Towards the middle of third year I totally felt like an alien, even if there was promising news of getting a green card sooner. I was desperate to come back to my home town and at last God smiled on me.
In summary, all I can say that I was unhappy while I was 'there'. Here I am not happy but satisfied.
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I really respect the fact that you gave it your best shot and realized what works best for you. Many people keep living the unhappy life and end up being dejected and unsatisfied.

I've highlighted that part because you had a very strong rooting here. For me, I'm been moving every 2 years because my dad was in the Army. I am not that close to any of my relatives. The only people who I loved and was really connected to, i.e. my maternal grandparents, are not there in this world anymore. I'm more or less an introvert (I can talk in front of a big crowd without any issues, but I generally like to be left alone). I've very few close friends and most of them, except one, are not in this city.

Theoretically, I should not face any kind of attachment issues if and when I go out. I'm definitely going to take my parents along because nothing can replace family.

That being said, I am going to reserve my judgement till I experience it firsthand. :)
 
I am sure many people would also be pleased if their parents too join them abroad as above poster said, nothing can replace family.
But there are cases where parents do not wish to shift with you, that's when things get more complicated.
 
Folks talking of moving abroad, have you factored in taking parents along? If so, aren't there visa / entry restrictions to countries like UK and US?
 
I am very keen on moving to Amsterdam for the many options for after work leisure and relaxation.
 
For now I am keen on migrating out of dry gujarat to any other part of India. I feel depressed each time i have to fly back from an office tour.

when you don't appreciate the things so freely available in life you regret not having cherished them enough when they are not available.
 
My friend just moved out of INFY US base project to Pune hinjewadi after 3+ year stay.

Reason cited were.Parents themselves weren't comfortable .Also after having a baby gal there they were were worried about NORWAY type treatment to their child as already he heard from his friends kids are taught in junior schools to inform them when parents touch kids.

Also for every festival be it HOLI or Diwali they need to take permission and drive down to some beach and celebrate in short very restrictive.

And last point,another migrant put words in his ears what will be your feeling once your daughter brings a GORA or NIgga home and say dad i want to settle with him. :lol:

Though i personally feel country who are much open in nature looks a better deal to settle like Canada.
US,UK and Australia just want you as their cash cows.
 
Never been outside india but i would like to a place which is colder and have High Speed internet . OTOH i would like to stay here because of piracy & privacy . Download anything and no one asks (Six Strike Plan US and laws like SOPA and PIPA ) & the surveillance on people is high compared to india .
 
There are perks of moving out and staying back as well. Although I haven't been on a long assignment anywhere, I have been short trips and absolutely loved it. There are cities like Shanghai, LA, NY and London which are vibrant.. and there are other less known places in US which looks like an alien land.

Think about it, Canada is the second largest country in the world without a population of 4 times Bangalore or Mumbai. While it means a lot of space for everyone, it also means there are no people around. This, is a big deterrent. Especially for the elderly, if you are considering moving out with your parents.

Yes, the money is good and you get all the gadgets and stuff. It sucks that 1$=55 bucks, but I appreciate services and goods that are available in India for much cheaper. With emergence of good broadband providers, India looks very promising ;)

I was born, brought up and work in the same place. So I kind of get bored once in a while and feel like going out.. But when I get an opportunity, I almost always feel happy when I come back. There's no place like home.

Things I hate in Bangalore (can't generalize India here) :
Traffic Jam, Air Quality, shutting down of every damn place by 10 even on weekends! Apart from that, my city feels like heaven :)
 
The police apathy towards a woman close to me in an attempted murder case in the recent months has finally taken away the patriot in me. I am now saving to move the hell out of this country. Besides, I am going back into writing instrumental music (being a CA is now getting too boring for me :D ), but for that I know I have to move to the US.
 
MAGNeT said:
Reason cited were.Parents themselves weren't comfortable .Also after having a baby gal there they were were worried about NORWAY type treatment to their child as already he heard from his friends kids are taught in junior schools to inform them when parents touch kids.

Also for every festival be it HOLI or Diwali they need to take permission and drive down to some beach and celebrate in short very restrictive.

And last point,another migrant put words in his ears what will be your feeling once your daughter brings a GORA or NIgga home and say dad i want to settle with him. :lol:
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To be honest before someone moves to a foreign land they should read up about it, and tune into to the culture and government involvement in daily-life of the citizens. Norway is highly irreligious and has totally de-linked religion and its leaders from all administrative and public doings. They should not take it to heart: That they have to take permission to celebrate a festival which has crackers (fire) and colors (can be seen as man-handling), since it is endangerment to civility. Children have really high human rights there (including women); so it is not even a cultural cline for Indians going to Norway, but more over a shock. The last point is funny..and it can happen, but nothing to shun an opportunity. To far-fetched. :)

You know the problem with us all (India): We expect everything and everyone to be like "us".
 
One thing I like about being in foreign land and not here is there is respect for privacy there while it isn't much here and people tend to take more than required interest in others' lives. My wife and me have experienced this first hand so we know. Additionally, i have experienced it (and still experience it) that whenever we need to do something, we are told what X will think and what others in the 'caste' (sick) will feel. So an individual one has to live with how the society will feel / react rather than what i myself want to do ??
My younger brother was/is very bad in studies and always got borderline marks. I knew for a fact that becoming a doctor / engineer was not his cup of tea and i asked him what he was interested in and pronto comes reply as "cooking", guess what he is now working as a supervisor in an upcoming casino resort in India itself. He loves his job and that is more important. But my dad was not ready initially to put him in this hotel management, why ? because all others were doctors engineers (including his elder brother i.e. me) and secondly involvement of cooking non veg food in the hotel industry. It took some perseverance to get my dad to accept this. But if i had not pushed my brother would have been stuck with something he does not like and would not turn out to be good at work as well.
My dad still sometimes say things like "we are of XYZ caste and should not do this and that" and i am super irritated by this. I just say that don't consider me part of this family if i am being bound by this caste sh1t.
 
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