Android-WP updates scene

[Party Monger]

Surely, this is a UI metaphor thing more than not. Its catchy and easier and this is apparent to see early on.

Its not just UI, Its the smoothness, the fluidity. Once you get used to that, Android's micro lags will make you suicidal. And I kid you not

But the question remains the same why wp7 can't be upgraded to wp8 ?
M$ says it has a different kernel(nt) and wp8 is made for multicore processor(another hardware requirement)

But can different kernel be a barrier in upgradation path ?
Most of the android devices run different versions of hardware and as we know linux kernel support different variety of hardware. Android run on single core as well as dual core(why wp8 can not run on single core ?)

HTC hd2 is a windows mobile 6.5 which is not upgradable to wp7 according to M$ because of hardware limitation but we know that HTC hd2 run wp7 smoothly. Heck it even runs wp7.8 smoothly and wp8 is already ported.
Windows xp, windows vista, windows 7 are based on the same kernel(ce) and run on same hardware without any problem. Windows 8 is nt kernel based os but still it runs on the same hardware. Then what's wrong with wp8 ?

When wp7 was launched then after some time m$ annonced their new wp8 plan, but they never told that it will not support new devices. They want to fool their customer again because if they told the truth no one would have bought wp7.5

Actually m$ only knows to make money, they should understand that it is a smartphone world and choices are vast.

I learnt a long time ago not to engage any one who types 'M$' in a discussion, cause most of them have the same senseless rants.

Nothing can be a barrier if you have unlimited resources. Apparently Microsoft didnt. There is a small cache of WP7 users and they get almost all the features of WP8. They get the new start screen, most apps still support it. I dont see why any one will complain 2 years after buying the phone if they get the best features of the latest OS. Its all propaganda. "Apple is the best even if you have to sell your bodyparts to buy them, Window is bad even if you get same performance at half the cost. Android rocks cause it has 494t8545832493 apps, it doesnt matter if 99.99%of them suck so bad it makes you want to trash your phone. None of that matters, WP8 is bad, cause we said so."

WP8 is ported to HD2? Please back up your statement with some solid fact.


Make some genuine arguments. Say Whatsapp sucks on WP8, or perhaps the notification system could be better. That makes sense. But random shit about history mixed with speculation aint helping anybody.

 

[blr_p]

Its not just UI, Its the smoothness, the fluidity. Once you get used to that, Android's micro lags will make you suicidal. And I kid you not

Yeah i can believe this its a very optimised OS. What i noticed in the wpcentral forum was people saying their phone was misbehaving (very wierd) which i suspect was because they installed bad apps. if its an NT kernel such occurrences should be rare.

What i want help with is the TCO argument. In an earlier post you said 820 is better than 720 because WP-blue needs 1GB RAM. That right there is a hardware limitation.

IF Wp-Blue is the next latest & greatest, take it this is what WP9 will be called already there is a limitation, question is how hard a limitation it is. You're on a 520, what are you going to do.

It was cheap enough so you will most likely get another phone ?

 

[blkrb0t]

@Nalin Did you forget the WP7.8 update that WP7 devices got? MS did put in as many hardware supported features of WP8 in WP7.8.

They could've just called it WP8 and fooled their customers, but they didn't. Old Apple devices getting current updates don't support many features, but the OS is still called iOS 6; even then, Apple is the best when it comes to updates and support.

Windows xp, windows vista, windows 7 are based on the same kernel(ce) and run on same hardware without any problem. Windows 8 is nt kernel based os but still it runs on the same hardware. Then what's wrong with wp8 ?

Because they don't and never did run on CE. Windows CE was for embedded systems. Windows NT has been powering the desktop operating systems since 1993. It's funny how you twist the facts to fit your own theories.

HTC hd2 is a windows mobile 6.5 which is not upgradable to wp7 according to M$ because of hardware limitation but we know that HTC hd2 run wp7 smoothly. Heck it even runs wp7.8 smoothly and wp8 is already ported.

They could've, "but the cost would have been severe, and the benefits would have been minimal. Much of the functionality that Windows Phone 8 opens up has to do with higher resolutions, multi-core processors and technologies like near-field communication (NFC) — technologies current Windows Phones simply don't have. "That has a fair amount to do with it," Sullivan says. "All of the work we would have had to do to get it on this architecture — and then there's no benefit."

You can run WP8 on HTC HD2 (an excellent and rare phone because of open drivers), but it will not support all the features. It doesn't because the hardware isn't present there. Hence WP7.8 and its own updates, which are released even to this day.

Actually m$ only knows to make money, they should understand that it is a smartphone world and choices are vast.

First, a bigoted statement. Second, only unintelligent kids and fanboys write Microsoft as 'M$'. Third, every company is out there to make money. Fourth, that is why Nokia has 520,620, 720, 920 and 925 as they understand that they need to cater to every market segment. Yes, it is a smartphone world and choices are vast.

Edit: @Party Monger You beat me to it while I was writing this comment

 

[Party Monger]

Yeah i can believe this its a very optimised OS. What i noticed in the wpcentral forum was people saying their phone was misbehaving (very wierd) which i suspect was because they installed bad apps. if its an NT kernel such occurrences should be rare.

What i want help with is the TCO argument. In an earlier post you said 820 is better than 720 because WP-blue needs 1GB RAM. That right there is a hardware limitation.

IF Wp-Blue is the next latest & greatest, take it this is what WP9 will be called already there is a limitation, question is how hard a limitation it is. You're on a 520, what are you going to do.

It was cheap enough so you will most likely get another phone ?

Yes it does misbehave once in a while, like most mobile OS'es do. Luckily I havent had to deal with any of it. My android's settings app just crashed randomly. Cut the Rope wont open and jsut crash randomly. Only option is to reset.

They haven't given the min req of the next WP9. Its all speculation. You get something that sounds too good to be true and you start wondering and inventing faults.

But if we know Microsoft, it will have a min req of 512mb only and not 1gb. Though there will be more apps that require 1gb, like Temple run did earlier on.

The OS is already pretty darn fast and futuristic. So if they just iron out the niggles and get a notification system that caches notification, I'l be a happy guy. And ofcourse its cheap, so if the new update is really cutting edge, there's always a sister or mom whom you can pass the phone on to

 

[Nalin]

Yes wp8 is ported to hd2 see here, it's just an experiment but it shows nothing is impossible. Wp7.8 rom's present on xda are widely popular.

Yeah i mean to say the hybrid kernel not ce kernel..oops and yeah M$,,M$,,,$..$$

 

[Party Monger]

Yes wp8 is ported to hd2 see here, it's just an experiment but it shows nothing is impossible. Wp7.8 rom's present on xda are widely popular.

Yeah i mean to say the hybrid kernel not ce kernel..oops and yeah M$,,M$,,,$..$$

IF you see properly he even managed to run Windows RT on it -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35963346&postcount=82Like he said, its proof of concept and nothing works with the WP8 port. Doesnt meant anything much, except that the hardware was capable of booting up WP8 in some warped up form. There's a long way to go from booting an OS to actually making it usable. Those with old android hardware will tell you why

 

[Nalin]

IF you see properly he even managed to run Windows RT on it -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35963346&postcount=82Like he said, its proof of concept and nothing works with the WP8 port. Doesnt meant anything much, except that the hardware was capable of booting up WP8 in some warped up form. There's a long way to go from booting an OS to actuallymaking it usable. Those with old android hardware will tell you why

Yeah hd2 has got mainly all versions of wp7 with an addition of android, ubuntu and a linux distro meego.

I know it's just a concept at this phase but that's not what i am trying to say, i am saying that after m$ left it at windows mobile 6.5 by giving an of excuse of hardware limitation it has seen almost all mobile operating systems written till date.
For that you have to give credit to these amazing devs for the heads up and not microsoft like some people here are always upto.

 

[blkrb0t]

For that you have to give credit to these amazing devs for the heads up and not microsoft like some people here are always upto.

The open drivers available for this phone are what makes it possible to port the OSs easily. Apart from the devs, HTC has to be appreciated for that; though they don't release such hardware any more.

And moreover, who credited Microsoft for that here? And "always upto"? Where have 'some people' here always credited them for that? Another bigoted statement when it is totally irrelevant.

 

[Nalin]

Again you missed my point completely if wp7.8 can run smoothly on that hardware then why not m$ gave it an update to wp7. Is that impossible for them ?

M$ is all about money

 

[blr_p]

The open drivers available for this phone are what makes it possible to port the OSs easily. Apart from the devs, HTC has to be appreciated for that; though they don't release such hardware any more.

Hmm, can you use this method to discover the components inside the phones, if so any website detailing this.

 

[blkrb0t]

Again you missed my point completely if wp7.8 can run smoothly on that hardware then why not m$ gave it an update to wp7. Is that impossible for them ?

Huh, MS did update it to WP7.8. You can update it officially via Zune.

M$ is all about money

All your inaccurate statements have proved that you are just a hater and don't have any valid knowledge on the subject.[DOUBLEPOST=1373207785][/DOUBLEPOST]

Hmm, can you use this method to discover the components inside the phones, if so any website detailing this.

Head over to XDA-Developers; there is a big section dedicated entirely to this phone alone. It's a popular phone with all the developers.

 

[Nalin]

Man you must be crazy, we are talking about htc hd2 here and you have provided a link of hd7 which they released a whole year later with the same hardware running wp7

What is open driver ?? i would like to install it on my phone
It seems like you don't know a jack about android phones.. do you ? It's not an open driver lol

It's a custom bootloader which is developed to boot multiple os from nand flash, sd card and internal memory. Hence it can dual boot android and wp7 at the same time.

See the link here

 

[blkrb0t]

Man you must be crazy, we are talking about htc hd2 here and you have provided a link of hd7 which they released later with the same hardware running wp7

What is open driver ?? i would like to install it on my phone
It seems like you don't know a jack about android phones.. do you ? It's not an open driver lol

It's a custom bootloader which is developed to boot multiple os from nand flash, sd card and internal memory. Hence it can dual boot android and wp7 at the same time.

See the link here

Read this article: http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/two-years-later-the-amazing-htc-hd2/

It's all related. Next time, don't be so ignorant.

 

[Nalin]

Read this article: http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/two-years-later-the-amazing-htc-hd2/

It's all related. Next time, don't be so ignorant.

Lol now what's that ? seems like a story to me. Care to explain

 

[raksrules]

Crazy to see how these money sucking phone manufacturers have managed to divide people into different clans.

 

[blkrb0t]

Crazy to see how these money sucking phone manufacturers have managed to divide people into different clans.

Which clan do you belong to?

I don't care which company it is as long as right and proper information is being discussed. Some people insert their own biases and fanboyism into the conversations; I don't like that at all, no matter which company they're overzealous about.

 

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Crazy to see how these money sucking phone manufacturers have managed to divide people into different clans.

The ancients solved this problem long ago. Best is to be a polytheist or an agnostic.

Monotheists or one true god types have problems in this sector.

 

[blkrb0t]

The ancients solved this problem long ago. Best is to be a polytheist or an agnostic.

Monotheists or one true god types have problems in this sector.

Polytheists still believe in fairy tales and skydaddies that don't exist. Skeptic is the word you're looking for; they can be agnostics or atheists, or both, but with a rational mind.

 

[blr_p]

well, thats down to you, but sometimes you have to pray to the m$ good, the apple god, the sun god and the google god. Thats polytheists. Agnostics don't care who they are talking to. No difference here.

Skeptic is good disposition to have with anything. Better than cynic.

 

[vivek.krishnan]

We have too many people here who think MS is a great god who gives us B.S. and we should take it as nectar. They have given crappy, half baked products and you guys are like its great. Is it really? Nope, I dont think so.

Windows Phone - Its surely less laggy than Android (but not without the lags) - but then it does not have any good stuff at all. And the lack of apps - appalling. And that RAM issue - which was something so stupid - I cant believe MS did that. And updates - oh surely, you wont get WP9 - MS wants you to buy a new phone. Nor can you build a custom ROM. What about the file manager? The only good thing I like - Live Tiles. But they are a battery killer. My honest opinion - MS is trying to perfect WP and we are the guinea testers.

Windows 8 - Dont get me started on that. Ok, we can use startisback and all other stuff - but then they decided to put the start button back in 8.1 which did nothing - and it wont work properly with Start8. Not to mention the other issues with the preview. And the fact that the license is limited to one PC only. You change the PC - jump thru loads of hooplas and get them to put it on another PC.

The only place where MS really caved in is with the Xbox. They removed that stupid restriction of net. To many - its like not a big deal, we have net - but it surely is a start. MS should backtrack and get WP and W8 fixed.

I for one - will be still use Android or jump to iOS. WP only if I dont have an option. And to all those people who say that when WP matures it will be better - I dont care. I am not going to wait for them to make it better - its now or not.