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Graphic Cards 8800GT vs 9600GT
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painkiller said:
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techie_007 said:errr...in case u dont know..check out the dealer section for Phoenix posts
oops...my bad
hyeah:
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Actually, there were a few people in other forums who tried to find out how or why exactly the GeForce 9600 GT comes out so close to the 8800 GT and even performs on par with it in a few cases (and in still fewer cases, exceeds its performance). Their conclusions were as follows:
- The GeForce 9600 GT's high clock rates help it a lot. However, in extremely shader limited games and *especially* in the DX10-enabled games we see its performance drop off noticeably from the 8800 GT.
- The GeForce 9600 GT drops off in pixel shader intensive scenarios from the 8800 GT. However, it seems vertex shader intensive scenarios keep the 9600 GT quite close to the 8800 GT (The difference is seen in synthetic benchmarks only). High clock rates + better memory management + 256-bit bus = better price-performance win for the 9600 GT.
- At utterly, shamelessly high resolutions, it appears that 8800 GT cards significantly begin to outperform and generally shame the 9600 GT cards. So it would seem fillrate limited scenarios would also stress the 9600 GT.
In general it was concluded that stream processors' workloads are not yet being stressed well enough to show the differences between the 8800 GT and 9600 GT at the present time. Also, there are a few memory management bugs in the 8800 series cards which seem to limit their performance to some extent. Apparently the 9600 GT has the best ROP : Shader processor ratio for today's games, but it is expected that the 8800 GT (and, arguably, even the Radeon HD 38xx, though that is outside the purview of these observations) will begin to match and outperform the 8800 GT as newer titles come out and workloads intensify.
As an example, one can note Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, where in general at higher resolutions and maximum details it appears the 9600 GT drops off to the level of the Radeon HD 3850. As quake wars is mathematically intensive it would appear the 64 shader processors limits its performance, and the 32 texture units limits the advantage it has to the HD 38xx because it is balanced by the HD 38xx's greater efficiency with their 64 processors (which can optimally function as 320 processors).
In general, I would recommend a GeForce 8800 GT over a 9600 GT any day. *BUT*, it is to be noted that early versions of 8800 GT cards had two kinds of problems: Slow fan speed with the single slot reference fan leading to heating issues (especially with OC), and incompatibility with certain PCIe 1.0a/1.0 chipset based motherboards (basically all chipsets from before 2007, though only certain ones have the problem). Later revisions of the card seem to have fixed both problems, however it is no guarantee that you will get one of the later cards (you should probably check the manufacturing date to see if its made in December 2007 or later). If you don't want this trouble then its probably better to go for the 9600 GT cards. The price difference is not significant, a 9600 GT in general costs around 10.5 to 11.5K depending on brand (though you can get a Palit one for around 9.5K), while you can get an MSI overclocked 8800 GT for around 12K and an EVGA one for around 14K (BTW the prices I'm quoting are from TheItWares, you may or may not get it cheaper somewhere else). 
- The GeForce 9600 GT's high clock rates help it a lot. However, in extremely shader limited games and *especially* in the DX10-enabled games we see its performance drop off noticeably from the 8800 GT.
- The GeForce 9600 GT drops off in pixel shader intensive scenarios from the 8800 GT. However, it seems vertex shader intensive scenarios keep the 9600 GT quite close to the 8800 GT (The difference is seen in synthetic benchmarks only). High clock rates + better memory management + 256-bit bus = better price-performance win for the 9600 GT.
- At utterly, shamelessly high resolutions, it appears that 8800 GT cards significantly begin to outperform and generally shame the 9600 GT cards. So it would seem fillrate limited scenarios would also stress the 9600 GT.
In general it was concluded that stream processors' workloads are not yet being stressed well enough to show the differences between the 8800 GT and 9600 GT at the present time. Also, there are a few memory management bugs in the 8800 series cards which seem to limit their performance to some extent. Apparently the 9600 GT has the best ROP : Shader processor ratio for today's games, but it is expected that the 8800 GT (and, arguably, even the Radeon HD 38xx, though that is outside the purview of these observations) will begin to match and outperform the 8800 GT as newer titles come out and workloads intensify.
As an example, one can note Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, where in general at higher resolutions and maximum details it appears the 9600 GT drops off to the level of the Radeon HD 3850. As quake wars is mathematically intensive it would appear the 64 shader processors limits its performance, and the 32 texture units limits the advantage it has to the HD 38xx because it is balanced by the HD 38xx's greater efficiency with their 64 processors (which can optimally function as 320 processors).
In general, I would recommend a GeForce 8800 GT over a 9600 GT any day. *BUT*, it is to be noted that early versions of 8800 GT cards had two kinds of problems: Slow fan speed with the single slot reference fan leading to heating issues (especially with OC), and incompatibility with certain PCIe 1.0a/1.0 chipset based motherboards (basically all chipsets from before 2007, though only certain ones have the problem). Later revisions of the card seem to have fixed both problems, however it is no guarantee that you will get one of the later cards (you should probably check the manufacturing date to see if its made in December 2007 or later). If you don't want this trouble then its probably better to go for the 9600 GT cards. The price difference is not significant, a 9600 GT in general costs around 10.5 to 11.5K depending on brand (though you can get a Palit one for around 9.5K
), while you can get an MSI overclocked 8800 GT for around 12K and an EVGA one for around 14K (BTW the prices I'm quoting are from TheItWares, you may or may not get it cheaper somewhere else). Darth_Infernus
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The Zalman cooler? You mean the TurboForce edition or the stock-clocked one? Even the stock-clocked one is a great deal at that price due to the free NWN2 (if that is being offered)
Though MSI is often very damn cheap (and the OCed 8800 GT I talked about in my previous post apparently has a decent OC and not just one of those "lets just increase 20MHz on the core and pass it off as OC" cards) given the performance of the card, I have seen on Beyond3D's forums that MSI has a less than stellar reputation and not so good quality control as some other brands. But still its good if you want a cheap card
err.......I made a mistake in my previous post, I just noticed:
I meant to say the 8800 GT (and Radeon HD 38xx) will outperform the 9600 GT, not the 8800 GT (how can it outperform itself?) as I have incorrectly mentioned in my post. My bad. 
Though MSI is often very damn cheap (and the OCed 8800 GT I talked about in my previous post apparently has a decent OC and not just one of those "lets just increase 20MHz on the core and pass it off as OC" cards) given the performance of the card, I have seen on Beyond3D's forums that MSI has a less than stellar reputation and not so good quality control as some other brands. But still its good if you want a cheap card
err.......I made a mistake in my previous post, I just noticed:
Darth_Infernus said:
I meant to say the 8800 GT (and Radeon HD 38xx) will outperform the 9600 GT, not the 8800 GT (how can it outperform itself?
) as I have incorrectly mentioned in my post. My bad.
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my first preference was msi 8800gt OC. i think its a gr8 card for its price. but i actually bought evga 8800gt super clocked only because evga gives u 10yrs of warranty as compared to 3yrs of msi and ofcourse price difference wasnt that huge. msi was retailing @ Rs 12250 whereas evga was retailing @ Rs 12850
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satyanjoy said:
your cpu will be a bottleneck for sure. otherwise 9600gt can handle crysis at max detail(in dx9) at 1440*900 giving about 30 fps.
^ ^ very true .. you will atleast need processors like the 5200 X2 and upwards.. so if you are thinking of changing the processor in the future also make it a point to change yer mobo and ram to something like M2N-E and 2 Gigs of Corsair/Kingston/Transcend DDR2's .. hell of a mobo and ram and the best ones to avoid bottlenecks ...
Thats why its 'CRY'sis :rofl:
Thats why its 'CRY'sis :rofl:
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another 9600 avatar is popping out, its 9600gso with 96 shaders running on a 192-bit memory interface. performance wise its slightly better than 9600gt but is it worth spendin extra amount on another 9600 series card? looks like 9600 gt got some competition from its real brother
painkiller said:another 9600 avatar is popping out, its 9600gso with 96 shaders running on a 192-bit memory interface. performance wise its slightly better than 9600gt but is it worth spendin extra amount on another 9600 series card? looks like 9600 gt got some competition from its real brother
9600GSO=8800GS
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rahulyo said:
hmm i wonder whether all nvidia employees can differentiate between all of their gpu models :rofl:
as far as consumers are concerned, they just got another headache to worry about. now they have to choose between 9600gt vs 9600gso vs 8800gt :tongue:
enuff said people
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for 3 or 4 fps only a idiot(no offence to anyone) will go for 8800gt which is priced higher then 9600gt and consumes more power and heats more then 9600gt
Guru3D VGA Charts
for 3 or 4 fps only a idiot(no offence to anyone) will go for 8800gt which is priced higher then 9600gt and consumes more power and heats more then 9600gt
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