All things SFF

[marsweeed]

Folks, I have some question on fan placement for my CH160.

The fans (arctic p12) are all exhaust creating a negative pressure inside, while the temps are fine. Its causing a lot of dust accumulation.

Am unable to mount the fan at the front as its suited for a slim profile fan only nor I have room for any DIY to tie down the fan. I have to install them as shown below.

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My questions are.
1. Can I use top fans(both) as intake or its a bad idea? or use just one (top left) as intake?
2. What other options I can try?

P.S ignore the fan lighting, I had not daisy chained the RGB cables.

case has very large unfiltered holes. dust will always find its way no matter the fan orientation man.

OT but i think you can change your CPU cooler to tower style one for better CPU temps. having 3 fans pulling away the air away from that cooler isn't leaving much air for CPU cooler fan to pull, unless you have low TDP CPU like 7600.

 

[kalph09]

^ am running 7600x, on full load its around 65-68. I was contemplating on deepcool assassin 4, but barely leaves room for front panel cables and fans at the rear. Won't rule it out completely.

I previously used Fractal meshify c which was impeccable at keeping dust out. Maybe I should lower my expectations with CH160.

Any experience with using dust filter like this one or it would choke the intake?

 

[marsweeed]

^ am running 7600x, on full load its around 65-68. I was contemplating on deepcool assassin 4, but barely leaves room for front panel cables and fans at the rear. Won't rule it out completely.

I previously used Fractal meshify c which was impeccable at keeping dust out. Maybe I should lower my expectations with CH160.

Any experience with using dust filter like this one or it would choke the intake?

yeah 7600x doesn't need a big cooler, just for gaming and casual tasks. speaking of dust filters, they look fine and shouldn't choke.
best thing would be to regularly dust your components imo.

 

[cranky]

Is MFF OK?

Just completed a larger build in the "humungous" Phanteks P200A, deshrouded Zotac GTX1080 Amp Extreme, and the same B550i + 5600G combo that I was using in my earlier music-only build. This would be a great bedroom combo for older games - I play a ton of Skyrim, the original 2011 edition. I purchased a 10th gen NUC, which does the audio job equally well and is able to run in passive mode with a 10W power envelope, which is how it is configured to run.

Back to this build, bottom and back are intake; front and side are exhaust. The back to front airflow is a little unusual, but this should get fixed if built with a AIO on the front. The AIO would pull fresh air in the front, the side and rear would continue to exhaust. The 5600G does not really need an AIO though, so I might not revise it.

Unfortunately the Zotac does not allow the system to boot once deshrouded, so I have to solder some wires at the back of the card to tap PWM, RPM and power for the bottom intake fans. That's Monday now. The first fan had begun clicking from 45 to 70% fan speed (noiseless below and above that). Replacement fans will only arrive in March, and I wanted silence for the winter hence the mod attempt. So either I solder adapters, or live with the clickety click (I'm asking).

The case is nice in that there is actually some cable management room, but you still need to think about it quite a bit, even while building. Airflow in default mode is very poor and reviews have panned it because of the flow stagnating, but these PSU-top cases always work better with negative pressure than positive. It does take full size components and I'm not paying SFX tax. I might post temperature results later. There is a bit of finagling about the PCIe cable, which does not have an entry point below the card and thus needs to be routed from above. It could work with an extension though.

 

[desi_gamer]

In pictures : Nerdware Cooler Mod for RTX 2000 ADA.

I initially wanted a RTX 4000 SFF ADA, but ultimately decided against it. The single slot cooler struggles at stock, with sustained workloads pushing temperatures to high 80s. I plan to undervolt over the weekend. Will publish the results in a separate thread with relevant benchmarks.



Last pic is for size comparison against a 4090. This thing is tiny AF



Interestingly, Nvidia has completely skipped over low powered workstation GPUs for Blackwell generation. All of their Pro lineup now require a PSU hookup, which is such a shame for plug n play. This makes Ada generation the last of its kind.

 

[immolationepoch]

In pictures : Nerdware Cooler Mod for RTX 2000 ADA.

I initially wanted a RTX 4000 SFF ADA, but ultimately decided against it. The single slot cooler struggles at stock, with sustained workloads pushing temperatures to high 80s. I plan to undervolt over the weekend. Will publish the results in a separate thread with relevant benchmarks.

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Last pic is for size comparison against a 4090. This thing is tiny AF

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Interestingly, Nvidia has completely skipped over low powered workstation GPUs for Blackwell generation. All of their Pro lineup now require a PSU hookup, which is such a shame for plug n play. This makes Ada generation the last of its kind.

I'm not sure about the Ada generation, but the RTX A2000 at stock exhibits GPU clock spikes and also runs hot, even at 70W. You should see quite an improvement by adjusting the voltage-frequency curve. Mandatory if you're using this in a tiny chassis. By some reports, the all-copper N3rdware cooler is better than stock, despite occupying a whole slot less. Have you compared the two? I look forward to the benchmarks and testing data!

 

[bssunilreddy]

Is this RTX 2000 ADA 16GB better or RTX 4070 12GB better for gaming?
I mean which GPU gives more fps?

 

[Mann]

4070 obviously, they have the same/similar chipset but the are made to operate on half the power (approximately). Like wize if you push in twice the power, they will give twice the performance (approximately).
Like putting polution norms on a engine in Switzerland. The same bike produces half the power if made/sold in Switzerland than America

 

[desi_gamer]

By some reports, the all-copper N3rdware cooler is better than stock, despite occupying a whole slot less. Have you compared the two?

The max I saw in stock cooler (albeit different chassis) was 73C. The problem with nerdware cooler is airflow volume (or lack thereof). I wish the fan was bigger, or faster. Looking forward to the undervolt. Maybe a better thermal paste too.

Is this RTX 2000 ADA 16GB better or RTX 4070 12GB better for gaming?
I mean which GPU gives more fps?

The 4070 12GB hands down. But you can't run it in single slot at 70W, without a PSU. In my initial testing, the 2000 ada scored ~8.5k in timespy which makes it 15% slower than RTX 4060, but with 2x the VRAM.

The RTX 4070 for comparison scores ~16k at 200W. You’re essentially trading performance for power efficiency and form factor. Very niche use case.