AMD Ryzen 5000 (Zen 3) processors Official launch | Where Gaming begins. (October 8, 9:30 PM)

DanteErodov

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I don't think this extra V-Cache is going to end up in lower tier CPUs like 5600x or 5800x for that matter, although I wonder what it will do to the cost if it did end up in these chips? These chips are already expensive & the extra cache is an increase in the 7nm silicon which is already very limited.

It will make sense to have these in the 5900x/5950x equivalent processors though where the extra cache would/could be helpful for feeding data across the multiple cores & the price increase would also not be that significant.

I really don't think this is going to be a 7nm+ kind of a refresh that people are expecting it to be, rather more like a couple of more chips with the extra cache just to maintain an edge over Intel's best 10nm chips that will be launching at the year rend. AMD must have realized that there is no imminent thread from Intel even with the 10mn launch & they can easily ride out this year on the same Zen 3 chips & postpone Zen 4 to 2022.
 

tech.monk

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We also have to be mindful of how stable this V Cache would be; Most of the devs here can comment easily on how stability varies from test bench to production/live. I would probably wait for this tech to mature before I buy.
 

roofrider

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I don't think this extra V-Cache is going to end up in lower tier CPUs like 5600x or 5800x
Agreed. It is going to be 'high-end' only first. No guarantee if the 6 and 8 core chips will get the same treatment yet. But that would mean 5600x is the end of the line, unless they are rolling out some XT refresh along with these V Cache higher-end chips next year or bringing V Cache to these as well at some point, but that's just speculation. Doubt they'll leave 5600x/5800x behind without any update till Zen 4 hits.

But at least anyone getting Zen 3 now will not have to upgrade or wait till next year for this. Maybe those looking to upgrade from Zen 2 can consider. Right now, just hoping for a Zen 3 price drop which is unlikely to happen :/
 

DanteErodov

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Agreed. It is going to be 'high-end' only first. No guarantee if the 6 and 8 core chips will get the same treatment yet. But that would mean 5600x is the end of the line, unless they are rolling out some XT refresh along with these V Cache higher-end chips next year or bringing V Cache to these as well at some point, but that's just speculation. Doubt they'll leave 5600x/5800x behind without any update till Zen 4 hits.

But at least anyone getting Zen 3 now will not have to upgrade or wait till next year for this. Maybe those looking to upgrade from Zen 2 can consider. Right now, just hoping for a Zen 3 price drop which is unlikely to happen :/
Same here, in fact I can get by with Zen 2 as well at lower prices... but I am not paying 17k for a 3600.

Honestly, V cache seems more appealing to the APU market. This will specially be critical when with Zen4/5 when we'll have RDNA compute units inside these APUs. Imagine an APU with 20-28 CUs of RDNA2/3 & 128MB of extra L3 cache dedicated to gaming, that would be wonderful for an dGPU less entry - mid level gaming system.
 
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tech.monk

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V cache seems more appealing to the APU market. This will specially be critical when with Zen4/5 when we'll have RDNA compute units inside these APUs. Imagine an APU with 20-28 CUs of RDNA2/3 & 128MB of extra L3 cache dedicated to gaming, that
I doubt that system will stay mid range anymore; with single digit CUs 4750G or even 5700G performs around 60fps at 1080p (referred ETA Prime) then 3x or 4x more CU means it will go to 4k league ultimately
 

DanteErodov

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I doubt that system will stay mid range anymore; with single digit CUs 4750G or even 5700G performs around 60fps at 1080p (referred ETA Prime) then 3x or 4x more CU means it will go to 4k league ultimately
Oh it will be mid range & nothing more. Consider this, a 6700XT contains 40CUs & even that is not the best card for 4k AAA gaming. Xbox series S contains 20CUs & it struggles in maintaining 1080px60 in some games, even PS5 contains 36CUs but those are clocked very high & we wouldn't have these high clocks in an iGPUs most probably. Now you also have to understand that if this does end up happening, it wouldn't be before 2023 & by then games would require even more horsepower.

Point is, this kind of configuration would be pretty good for 1080p AAA gaming & will work equally well for for 1440p high refresh rate esports titles as well. The key is to get this extra cache in APUs.
 

Docsaab

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I don't think so igpu will ever be made considering AAA performance , however something like a 15-20cu will be a good midlevel 1080p eSports builds
 

iPwnz

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I feel like AMD is screwing with us. I mean what people wanted was the 5600 non-X to cut costs and make if vfm against Intel's 11th gen and instead what we get is a 5600G which will undoubtedly raise the price instead.
 

TheCoolerPlayer

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I feel like AMD is screwing with us. I mean what people wanted was the 5600 non-X to cut costs and make if vfm against Intel's 11th gen and instead what we get is a 5600G which will undoubtedly raise the price instead.
why would it raise the price? I don't think Ryzen 3600 prices had increased once 4650G was launched, tho they did increase a few months post launch but that was due to global chip shortage
I personally think that the 5600G is a great value (provided it's priced under 24k) since it will probably outperform most other CPUs for all tasks at that price range - even with the halved cahce compared to 5600X - and also have a capable iGPU. Perfect stopgap CPU for those who want to build a PC at 70k+ but can't find any reasonably priced dGPU
 
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DanteErodov

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5600G OEM reviews are out and should be indicative of the actual consumer 5600G. TBH it is rather disappointing as per GNs initial analysis & is really not worth waiting a couple of months for.
  • Productivity: 5600G is roughly on par with a 3600 while both at stock voltages.
  • Gaming: 5600G is slightly faster in most scenarios compared to a 3600 & sits roughly between a 3600 & 5600x, more toward the 3600. This means that 11400 is faster than a 5600g which is rather disappointing TBH & this is while at processors are at stock. At stock an 11400 is also not power hungry as people expect it to be.
  • Power: At stock, a 11400 consumers 68.4W compared to a 72W consumed by a 5600G in blender workloads.
All this means is that 5600g is really a rather disappointing product specially considering the expected price. It also looses out to a 11400 in efficiency in gaming performance. The efficiency might be still in favor of 5600G, not sure about that TBH but a 11400 is still not bad at stock.

Conclusion: It might be a good for folks who: 1. are interested in the IGP as that performs rather well & bests a discrete 1030 GDD5 in multiple scenarios 2. have a compatible motherboard 3. And is priced under 20k.
For others who are just interested in gaming performance of the CPU & have to upgrade the whole platform anyway a 11400/F is a better deal even at its current price, roughly 18.5k, which is way overpriced in our country right now. If it does come down to 14-16k in the future, it is a no brainer for most folks.

PS: It is a good time for Intel to take back some of the lost market share in DIY market if they can keep up the availability & launch prices.

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tech.monk

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5600G OEM reviews are out and should be indicative of the actual consumer 5600G. TBH it is rather disappointing as per GNs initial analysis & is really not worth waiting a couple of months for.
I guess damage is already done; In India, I dont see any seller selling R7 4750G Pro and price 4650G Pro increasing as the day pass by.
 

DanteErodov

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I guess damage is already done; In India, I dont see any seller selling R7 4750G Pro and price 4650G Pro increasing as the day pass by.
Honestly, AMD is just milking the situation as much as it can just like Intel did before & still continue to do. AMD is all the hype & rage these days & they have started doing exactly what Intel always did. Goes to show that no company is actually pro consumer & folks should always become fanboys of products rather than companies.
 

iPwnz

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If the current market situation doesn't make them trillion dollar companies then they will never be trillion dollar companies in the near future. Everyone at the non-consumer level is scalping and hoarding it and controlling the market.
 

DanteErodov

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Do we know if there will ever be Ryzen 5000 non-x variants in the market? Or will we be moving to the AM5 platform any time soon?
Officially there is no word on its availability or even launch & also considering that Ryzen 5xxxg series is launching in August & 5xxx with 3d cache are slated to launch by the end of year/early next year, I really doubt we'll see a non-x version in this generation. Best case scenario, Intel's 11th gen chips have good availability & are actually available at low prices, we might start seeing some discounts on 5600x/g but that's about it TBH. Maybe with 12th gen Intel processors will increase competition in budget segment & force AMD to launch their mid tier processors but that's something which is pure speculation on my part & which we'll not see before the end of this year.

AM5 will happen with 6xxx series most likely & that should happen by the mid/end of next year.
 
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