Anna Hazare's fast against corruption

[Spacescreamer]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

If these politicians had a noble cause of letting parliament function w.o interference, they wouldnt have hurled senseless accusations like Hazare himself is corrupt, or even that brainless Ambika Soni going ahead with stupid question like Will corruption come to a full stop after this bill.. (lady i cant say about others, but till the time people like you are sitting there and 'educating' your kids with the sort of mentality you got.. God spare some extra strength to India) ..

Dont know what other strong + peaceful tool of protest our other channel wala members have in mind here.

 

[blr_p]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Do you or do you not support the cause/Lokpal?

Here we go, with me or against me. Is your name Bush by any chance ?

False Frickin' dichotomy !

I disagree with the current jan lok pal bill from what ive seen on Karan's shows as its unworkable and goes against the spirit of democracy.

The govt version is worse, its completely toothless.

So that means a compromise has to be worked out. And it needs to be done in a respectful manner and not runing to the street with these sorts of threats.

What exactly is the agenda here ? working for the ppl or trying to embarass the govt ?

The one's running it and the methods they adopt are not as important as the cause for which they are protesting and exercising there constitutional rights.

Balls ! the methods used are very important given the purpose of this bill.

If they're going to resort to these kinds of stunts at this prelimnary stage i can only wonder what will happen once they get their way, if ever.

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Yes,
Its peaceful until there is no immediate thread to his health. Its peaceful even if he becomes critical. If Government really do care, they can intervene if his health goes down dramatically. Indian Penal code section 309 has punishment for "unsuccessful" attempt of suicide or any act "committed" towards commission of such offense. It does not mean they put anyone in lockup before they commit that act. Not to mention the IPC 309 itself is under review. Law commission has submitted the review of this to the government of India to repeal this 2 century old law.

Then we don't know the full story, lets wait until more details come out before jumping to such drastic conclusions. There is a lot of poltics invested in here that we do not see let alone are aware of. There's a lot more in this than just fighting corruption.

What exactly the govt had to say about this. Have they said anything at all ?

 

[mk76]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Is a fast unto death peaceful ?

hey, why bother if there wasn't an implied threat within.

I don't seem to recall the constitution allowing such, could you show me where it says this.

Yes the same method was tried by a skinny guy 60 years ago... that eventually led/helped to the birth of our constitution

 

[Renegade]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

I disagree with the current jan lok pal bill from what ive seen on Karan's shows as its unworkable and goes against the spirit of democracy.

The govt version is worse, its completely toothless.

So that means a compromise has to be worked out. And it needs to be done in a respectful manner and not runing to the street with these sorts of threats.

Well if a compromise has to be reached between the unworkable and the toothless then whats the point of this exercise. This calls for a redraft than a compromise.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Here we go, with me or against me. Is your name Bush by any chance ?

False Frickin' dichotomy !

I disagree with the current jan lok pal bill from what ive seen on Karan's shows as its unworkable and goes against the spirit of democracy.

The govt version is worse, its completely toothless.

So that means a compromise has to be worked out. And it needs to be done in a respectful manner and not runing to the street with these sorts of threats.

What exactly is the agenda here ? working for the ppl or trying to embarass the govt ?

Balls ! the methods used are very important given the purpose of this bill.

If they're going to resort to these kinds of stunts at this prelimnary stage i can only wonder what will happen once they get their way, if ever.

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Then we don't know the full story, lets wait until more details come out before jumping to such drastic conclusions. There is a lot of poltics invested in here that we do not see let alone are aware of. There's a lot more in this than just fighting corruption.

What exactly the govt had to say about this. Have they said anything at all ?

When did I imply that I support hazare's draft? But I'm very much against the UPA's draft. (I don't want to call it 'governments' draft)

What other 'method' do you reckon could have been adopted then? (Although let me say that I also do not support pressing one's views arrogantly on the parliament)

 

[Hades.]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

I dont know why he is mimicking Gandhi Ji :S... Gandhi Ji was in a different league... And he can never become Gandhi Ji even if he wants to... I support what he is doing... But he should do it in a different way... I have a feeling that after getting the power he would become corrupt too just like the way our government has become after getting the power... I am pretty sure that he is doing this for money... Our country is so much full of corrupt people that its very hard to trust any one... And trusting other political parties is not a choice either... If we would elect BJP in the next election they would do the same thing too that Congress is doing now... We would get to see some scams, some riots, inflation etc etc... Even after 64 years of Independence indian people dont feel Independent bcoz of these corrupt politicians who can control everything in India... Politics in India is a joke... If Gandhi Ji would have been alive now he would have thought that why did he do all the hardwork to make India Independent...

 

[Party Monger]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

If we do not protest how the eff do we bring about a change?

These bastards at the government think they own this country. Its ample evident when a man with such a huge following is being treated like shit. The support of the people and their voice unfortunately amounts to nothing. These lying/scamming fraudulent b**ches want to rule the country for every. We the proud country are going Pakistan's way. With the rulers deciding what ever the **** they want.

 

[Darthcoder]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

The government has itself in a fix. They either should not have paid any attention to Anna and his fast when he did it earlier but they chose to negotiate with him after he went ahead with the fast, and when he fasts again he is arrested? Why negotiate for a month and a half and then arrest the same people you were negotiating with?

blr_p, what other medium/mechanism does the common man have to counter the corruption that has wasted billions of the common man/taxpayer's money?

 

[tomemmanuel]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

What we need is transparency and technology is the answer.Once the system is transparent corruption can be curbed to a great extent.And I hope the movement of Anna Hazare and civil society members against corruption is a step forward towards more transparency and inclusion of more technology into our daily lives auch as UID.

 

[blr_p]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Well if a compromise has to be reached between the unworkable and the toothless then whats the point of this exercise. This calls for a redraft than a compromise.

Not quite, there is agreement in some parts so why throw that away.

They have to hammer though their differences for the remainder.

Now there are many ways to ask for that and be justified in doing so.

 

[Party Monger]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Here we go, with me or against me. Is your name Bush by any chance ?

False Frickin' dichotomy !

I disagree with the current jan lok pal bill from what ive seen on Karan's shows as its unworkable and goes against the spirit of democracy.

The govt version is worse, its completely toothless.

So that means a compromise has to be worked out. And it needs to be done in a respectful manner and not runing to the street with these sorts of threats.

What exactly is the agenda here ? working for the ppl or trying to embarass the govt ?
Balls ! the methods used are very important given the purpose of this bill.

If they're going to resort to these kinds of stunts at this prelimnary stage i can only wonder what will happen once they get their way, if ever.

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Then we don't know the full story, lets wait until more details come out before jumping to such drastic conclusions. There is a lot of poltics invested in here that we do not see let alone are aware of. There's a lot more in this than just fighting corruption.

What exactly the govt had to say about this. Have they said anything at all ?

LOL what do you want them to do then?
They ask politely, no go.
They protest, the govt tries to act smart, stops the protest with promises and then turns them down? And with what reason?
The judiciary cant be brought under Lokpal, because "two senior judges of supreme court are against it"

THIS is the govt's reasoning! IAC even asked them to record the discussions and show it to public, but they didnt agree to that either.

This bull crap being systematically fed into people's mind that "everyone is corrupt, so never trust anyone" is simply propaganda. If we dont trust in Anna, and dont trust him now, who do we trust to bring a change?"
Im sure, Gahndhiji isnt coming back to save us, is he?

 

[blr_p]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

The government has itself in a fix. They either should not have paid any attention to Anna and his fast when he did it earlier but they chose to negotiate with him after he went ahead with the fast, and when he fasts again he is arrested? Why negotiate for a month and a half and then arrest the same people you were negotiating with?

Govt had no choice but to listen to him due to the recent scandals, they bent over backwards in fact. Otherwise he would have been forgotten like that other guy who actually died fasting for this purpose.

blr_p, what other medium/mechanism does the common man have to counter the corruption that has wasted billions of the common man/taxpayer's money?

hazares team need to push ahead using diferent tactics. I cannot specify what but there should not be this threat element within.

I support the spirit of this movement not the tactics used. I've said this right from the start.

Just look at the reaction here, pretty much everybody is aware of who Hazare is and what he is trying to do. the govt has to listen.

He's got the ppl on his side so why does he have to resort to these tactics.

 

[Shripad]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

I dont know why he is mimicking Gandhi Ji :S... Gandhi Ji was in a different league... And he can never become Gandhi Ji even if he wants to... I support what he is doing... But he should do it in a different way... I have a feeling that after getting the power he would become corrupt too just like the way our government has become after getting the power... I am pretty sure that he is doing this for money... Our country is so much full of corrupt people that its very hard to trust any one... And trusting other political parties is not a choice either... If we would elect BJP in the next election they would do the same thing too that Congress is doing now... We would get to see some scams, some riots, inflation etc etc... Even after 64 years of Independence indian people dont feel Independent bcoz of these corrupt politicians who can control everything in India... Politics in India is a joke... If Gandhi Ji would have been alive now he would have thought that why did he do all the hardwork to make India Independent...

Please do read up on this person.

He is no Gandhi, he will never be. He merely use Gandhi's approach. But he is also not politician. Sure opposition leaders will come out in his support for their benefit, but the man himself is clean. He will never have direct participation in any government or political party. He never has. He has protested against BJP/SS government as well and was even thrown in jail. And now he is protesting against policies of UPA.

 

[Party Monger]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

This bull crap being systematically fed into people's mind that "everyone is corrupt, so never trust anyone" is simply propaganda.
If we dont trust in Anna, and dont trust him now, who do we trust to bring a change?"
Im sure, Gandhiji isnt coming back to save us, is he?

 

[blr_p]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

LOL what do you want them to do then?
They ask politely, no go.
They protest, the govt tries to act smart, stops the protest with promises and then turns them down? And with what reason?
The judiciary cant be brought under Lokpal, because "two senior judges of supreme court are against it"

THIS is the govt's reasoning! IAC even asked them to record the discussions and show it to public, but they didnt agree to that either.

Then keep on trying and stage rallies and protests in differnt parts of the country. thats just one idea. there must be more.

How did we get RTI ? started in 1993 by a village in rajasthan, built up momentum and got enacted in 2001. These things take time.

Where were the hunger strikes for RTI ? where was the central character leading them ?

This bull crap being systematically fed into people's mind that "everyone is corrupt, so never trust anyone" is simply propaganda. If we dont trust in Anna, and dont trust him now, who do we trust to bring a change?"
Im sure, Gahndhiji isnt coming back to save us, is he?

Forget about this, just blocking tactic. this arrest should be seen as such as well. He'll be let out so long as he guarantees there wont be any hunger strikes in the future.

 

[Party Monger]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Then keep on trying and stage rallies and protests in differnt parts of the country. thats just one idea. there must be more.

How did we get RTI ? started in 1993 by a village in rajasthan, built up momentum and got enacted in 2001. These things take time.

Where were the hunger strikes for RTI ? where was the central character leading them ?

Forget about this, just blocking tactic. this arrest should be seen as such as well. He'll be let out so long as he guarantees there wont be any hunger strikes in the future.

When the people want a change, why the eff should it take time? 3months, 6 months is fine, but 10-15 yrs?

And that RTI act is almost toothless man.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

How did we get RTI ? started in 1993 by a village in rajasthan, built up momentum and got enacted in 2001. These things take time.

LOL! First of, you think a time period of 10 years is justified? Bullshit!

Lokpal was first introduced in 1969, how much more time should it take for the parliament to come to a consensus and pass it?

 

[Hades.]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

Please do read up on this person.

He is no Gandhi, he will never be. He merely use Gandhi's approach. But he is also not politician. Sure opposition leaders will come out in his support for their benefit, but the man himself is clean. He will never have direct participation in any government or political party. He never has. He has protested against BJP/SS government as well and was even thrown in jail. And now he is protesting against policies of UPA.

I just mentioned my concern

Harvey Dent - "You Either Die A Hero Or Live Long Enough Too See Youself Become The Villain"

I dont think this guy would die like a hero like Gandhi Ji but i am sure he would become a villain (corrupt) after getting the power... Just few days back Ramdev baba did this anshan thing what happend? after getting few dandas he just dropped the idea lol...

I am not against Anna but there is no guarantee that he wouldn't become corrupt after getting the power... Money can buy people also

 

[Shripad]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

I just mentioned my concern

Harley Dent - "You Either Die A Hero Or Live Long Enough Too See Youself Become The Villain"

I dont think this guy would die like a hero like Gandhi Ji but i am sure he would become a villain (corrupt) after getting the power... Just few days back Ramdev baba did this anshan thing what happend? after getting few dandas he just dropped the idea lol...

I am not against Anna but there is no guarantee that he wouldn't become corrupt after getting the power... Money can buy people also

This is why I am saying it again, do read up on this man. Anna has been fighting against anti social elements since Ramdev was a kid.

 

[Hacker]

Re: Anna Hazare arrested by Delhi police ahead of today's fast.

I am not against Anna but there is no guarantee that he wouldn't become corrupt after getting the power... Money can buy people also

Dont be such a negative Nancy.

Do you even know the good things he has done for Maharashtra. He has even brought down powerful politicians from Maharashtra.