audio system for Maruti Suzuki Swift.

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low_bass_makker said:
sorry man was a little busy....

about the front speaker are fine go for 607 as they will sound better than the 507 and you can get them for about or less than 4k in singapore.....

about the amp the sony is ok-ok type not so great......so go for pioneer or alpine or JBL amp which you fine ok.....there is one model 6200....it is a 4 ch amp....it is for 6.5k in delhi and will quite less in singapore.....so go for it....

the componets will have a pair of tweeter...a pair of woofer (actually they are called mid-bass) and a pair of crossovers......

the component woofer will go in to the door....the tweeter on the dash and the crossover will be hiding away anyware underneth the dash.....

the 6x9 will be going on the rear parcel shelf of the car.....about the boot area...they will sound very nice there.....and will add punch to the music.....later on you can add the sub and wire the 6x9 with the HU and the woofer to the amp.......

thanx again...also what does the crossover mainly do ? does it produce sound ?..and is it necessary to hide..them underneath the dash..cant we fit them somewhere they r visible..cauz i think they look really nice..

also ..one final thing ..just tell me what will be connected to what ..means the front compo .and the rear ovals both will be connected to the 4 channel amp and then the amp to the Head unit nah ?

also i am not going for the sub -woofer separately(budget problem) cauz the mid-bass and rear ovals .together will produce enugh base naah ??..will the thump effect be there..or do i need to add a woofer separately ??
 
faheem_m said:
thanx again...also what does the crossover mainly do ? does it produce sound ?..and is it necessary to hide..them underneath the dash..cant we fit them somewhere they r visible..cauz i think they look really nice..
also ..one final thing ..just tell me what will be connected to what ..means the front compo .and the rear ovals both will be connected to the 4 channel amp and then the amp to the Head unit nah ?
also i am not going for the sub -woofer separately(budget problem) cauz the mid-bass and rear ovals .together will produce enugh base naah ??..will the thump effect be there..or do i need to add a woofer separately ??

The crossover splits the audio frequency from the amp into lows and highs sending each to the sub / tweeters.

If your not installing a sub, you don't need a crossover ;)
 
Faheem,

Crossovers seperates low,mid and high and than send high frequency to tweeter and low and mid to speaker.

You can fit it visible and look good too.

Amp will be connected to Hu with RCA Cables, crossovers will be between amp and speakers. you will get enough bass but not as much, but in future when you spare some money just buy one sub.
 
Mugen_Power said:
Faheem,

Crossovers seperates low,mid and high and than send high frequency to tweeter and low and mid to speaker.

You can fit it visible and look good too.

Amp will be connected to Hu with RCA Cables, crossovers will be between amp and speakers. you will get enough bass but not as much, but in future when you spare some money just buy one sub.

ohk and even if i spare cash and try getting a sub..will i get a decent sub for 4-5k

...cauz today i got some quotes for the speakers.from a local (well known)shop,and they were quiet less so maybe some cash will be left.

front-GTO 607C set(tweeter+mid-bass+crossover) for around 4500-5000

and the rear(tray)-GTO 937 9 X 6 ovals(pair) -just around 3500-4000....

(is it really so less)..the dealer says with warranty..

and a good amp maybe around 5000-6000 ...the head unit will be 7000 approx if i try fitting in a subwoofer for 4000 bucks..or else if i dont buy sub..will get a better head unit (one wid bluetooth and USB) for 10000...

You can fit it visible and look good too.

ohk but where else can i fit them...see the 6 " mid-range will be on the doors...tweeters on the dash board...and then amplifier (below the seats??).. so where will the corssovers fit so that they r visible...?

also if i get a sub..how big will it be ?? and where will i fit it..?will the back tray be good place..along with the GTO937 9 x 6 ovals(pair)...??

if i fit the woofer + 9 X 6 ovals..i the rear will a lot of boot space be lost ?

cauz boot space is important ,as it's a family car...

Mugen_Power said:
No thats not true.

Compos Set must need Crossovers and it came with speakers.

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yeah thats what even i was thinking...
 
You are asking so many questions at a time. lol..

anyways,

You can get Pioneer 306 Sub for around 3.5k, and custom made sealed box will cost you around 1500.

If you spare money than my advise will dont go for sony amp and get a Pioneer GM6200F 4 channel amp.

Head Unit - 6850 Around 9K.
Front - Jbl Compos for 4.5 to 5k.
Rear - Ovals for 3.5 to 4k.
Amp - Sony Or Pioneer.
Sub - Pioneer 306c.

Lbm will help to decide where to fit crossovers because i dont own Swift.:(

Sub must be in Sealed box.. ask Lbm For pictures of his subs.
 
if the sub will be in a sealed box..in the boot space .that means all the boot space wil be lost..cauz i checked out LBM swift...and the two woofers..have taken all the boot space..

in my case ..boot space is quiet important...

than maybe i will have to cancel the woofer..and anywayz..the existing setup may give enough bass..and effect..

??help ??

is it necessary to seal the suv-woofer in the box.. ??

also this woofer..looks quiet in my budget..? any idea how does it perform ??

JBL 10 Inch Car Subwoofer - GT4-10

-RS 3000 approx.
 
faheem_m said:
if the sub will be in a sealed box..in the boot space .that means all the boot space wil be lost..cauz i checked out LBM swift...and the two woofers..have taken all the boot space..
in my case ..boot space is quiet important...
than maybe i will have to cancel the woofer..and anywayz..the existing setup may give enough bass..and effect..
??help ??
is it necessary to seal the suv-woofer in the box.. ??

also this woofer..looks quiet in my budget..? any idea how does it perform ??
JBL 10 Inch Car Subwoofer - GT4-10
-RS 3000 approx.

hmmm....thanks Mugen Bhai....thanks for the help here....I would fully agree with him........

You will get good effects with ovals in the rear shelf but not as compared to the sub.....as they can go quite low....and dont expect that the 6.5 inch component can produce good sub-bass as I said they are midbass not woofers....

I would say install the ovals and the component kit first....and later on if you need the sub add it later in the next stage.....

ya a sub will be needing a enclosure to play ......it can be a sealed enclosure or even a ported one.....but dont go in such details so go for a sealed one ....as it is the safest one to made and the best bet.....

and the 10 inch sub is a good one....but 12 inch is the way to go....as it will be a bit loud and low when compared with the 10 inch one.....
 
^ Hmm.. atleast for Pro-Aduio that's the case, since the amp will handle upto a certain frequency range depending on its dynamics and easily run a 2 channel system.

No clue about car audio, could you give a possible explanation ?
 
Anish said:
^ Hmm.. atleast for Pro-Aduio that's the case, since the amp will handle upto a certain frequency range depending on its dynamics and easily run a 2 channel system.

No clue about car audio, could you give a possible explanation ?

no need for explanation here as we are discussing car audio as the thread suggest....not home audio......if it was a home one I would have agreed with you......

but there are some cases of car audio in which there are separate amp for each sub, midbass, midrange, tweeter......which will handle the freq band like this....

sub ->below 20 hz - 80hz
midbass -> 80 hz - 300 hz
midrange -> 300 hz - 5 khz
tweeter -> 5 khz to 20 khz and above

all these four drivers will cover the whole freq spread....as it is not a feat of a single driver to reproduce all the frequency.....thats why multiple drivers......the above setup will be called 4-way active setup....which I am try to achive in my car:D
 
Well I don't know but IMHO spending tonnes of money on car audio is simply not worth it. However much damping one puts, there's basically still no way the acoustics of the interior of a car would match those of even a small untreated room. Its just simple physics. Plus the amps one gets for a car audio system are optimized for pure power not for accuracy. Yes one will get a system that produces insane bass and volume but at the cost of accuracy. Hell a 30k home audio setup will completely blow away a car audio setup costing 10-15X its price in terms of accuracy. Its just my opinion though... I've seen ppl spend lacs on car audio but so far I've not heard a single one that can beat a pair of decent bookshelves.
 
Chaos said:
Well I don't know but IMHO spending tonnes of money on car audio is simply not worth it. However much damping one puts, there's basically still no way the acoustics of the interior of a car would match those of even a small untreated room. Its just simple physics. Plus the amps one gets for a car audio system are optimized for pure power not for accuracy. Yes one will get a system that produces insane bass and volume but at the cost of accuracy. Hell a 30k home audio setup will completely blow away a car audio setup costing 10-15X its price in terms of accuracy. Its just my opinion though... I've seen ppl spend lacs on car audio but so far I've not heard a single one that can beat a pair of decent bookshelves.

yeah i know...i started of with a low budget of 10-15k..then lookin at team bhp ICE section i thought of 20ki what i will atleast need...and in the end its possible i may end up spending 25-27k...

actually ..car audio can range anything from mere 9k to a lac..and i ve heard even a 9k .system (5k sony xplod HU+2front+2 rear co-axial spkrs..(for 4k)..and a existing woofer in my frnds car)..and it did sound pretty good..

also another frnd got 4 local speakers in his car for just 800 bucks total and even they were also not that bad....

its just i want to know whats the difference..between the cheap but good sounding speakers..and the these . better one's(JBL) ..i am expecting to have a really good experience if all goes well....:)
 
Chaos said:
Well I don't know but IMHO spending tonnes of money on car audio is simply not worth it. However much damping one puts, there's basically still no way the acoustics of the interior of a car would match those of even a small untreated room. Its just simple physics. Plus the amps one gets for a car audio system are optimized for pure power not for accuracy. Yes one will get a system that produces insane bass and volume but at the cost of accuracy. Hell a 30k home audio setup will completely blow away a car audio setup costing 10-15X its price in terms of accuracy. Its just my opinion though... I've seen ppl spend lacs on car audio but so far I've not heard a single one that can beat a pair of decent bookshelves.
I dont agree with you here fully....the car cabin is a very difficult place to achive the best from any setup....it will require lots of tunning to achive the desired result...but the result are mindblowing........

to spend caraudio is ones desire like some people spend lots of money on there computers, some on there watches, etc etc.....I would say it depends on one requirments and desires wishes.....so there is no point in saying it is waste to spend money on car audio......

there are some v v v very good equipment avalable in the market which can easy beat the good home audio setup easily....the cost involved may be a bt high but not 10 times as you mentioned.......

the car audio does not always mean power ....there are some brands which also make some good stuff......sorry to say that these pioneer, alpine, sony, kenwwod, blaupkunt are some regular brand nothing high end stuff here.....but some thing of theses brands are good like pioneer and alpine HU are good other stuff is going down the drain......here are some brands which are some thing good in car audio and you will definetly would like it.....search for these....like.....DLS, STEG, Morel, ScanSpeak, Illusion Audio, Audison, Image Dyanmics, Focal, TRU.......you will get a correct picture.....
 
Well in case you didn't know, I'm speaking of a cadillac with scanspeak drivers with DLS amps and a pretty high end alpine HU that I heard. The dude was playing jazz on it and frankly, I nearly laughed out at how bad it sounded. Seemingly all that equipment costed close to 6000$. A pair of nice bookshelves like Quad 12 would just eat it alive.

The biggest issue with these is that though the drivers might be good, as I said, the acoustics of a car is not. Considering that the car was a Cadillac CTS which is probably as heavy and damped as possible, I think its as good as it gets in terms of acoustics. However thats not the only problem, the bigger issue is that even though the drivers in themselves are fantastic, there is no baffle to put the drivers on. In home audio terms, its like a speaker with no cabinet. This is incredibly hard if not impossible to do properly as the ideal speaker is one that has an infinite baffle.

The only commercial speaker I know of that pulls this off well is the Jamo R909... which to say the least is not cheap at 17500$ per pair :P. Everyone knows that dipole designs are the hardest to make for accurate reproduction. Just check out linkwitzlabs.com and you'll know. No one actually does all that math to put car drivers, do they? So there's no way that haphazardly placed drivers in a car can produce audio that is transparent. I mean come on... there is defiinite reason than a pair of 5000$ floorstanders have such a big cabinet with drivers placed in a particular configuration. Can one achieve that in a car? Yes but you'd need to put a 30 kilo baffle, which needless to say will break a car's door if done :rofl:.

The other reason why car audio will never come close to decent home audio is amplification. Car audio amps are small multichannel tripath (class T) or class AB amps since they need high efficiency. If one were to put a Class A amp or an AB with class A biasing, well the car's battery would be dead in 5 minutes :P. Yes there are good class AB and T designs, but definitely not the ones found in a car. In case you didn't know, even an entry lvl stereo amp weighs close to 10 kilos, with the power supply contributing most to it. All car amps run straightaway from the battery with no signal filtering before being amplified. The other thing you'll note is the massive distortion present in most car amps... if you check up figures, you'll find their power being rated at 0.1-1% distortion depending on the make. Thats a humongous amount of distortion! Look at home audio amps and you'll find their nominal power is rated at 0.02% distortion at max. These car amps can't hold up to even an entry level NAD C320, forget a high end amp like mark levinson or krell or bryston or a nice tube amp like McIntosh.

Loud yes, probably nice sounding depending on ears yes, better than consumer brands like sony yes, accurate - a big big NO!!!! Anyway I won't post anymore on this as its going completely off topic.
 
Chaos said:
Well in case you didn't know, I'm speaking of a cadillac with scanspeak drivers with DLS amps and a pretty high end alpine HU that I heard. The dude was playing jazz on it and frankly, I nearly laughed out at how bad it sounded. Seemingly all that equipment costed close to 6000$. A pair of nice bookshelves like Quad 12 would just eat it alive.

I would like to say one thing more here....a excellent product installed incorrectly can sound bad than a average product installed in a good way...

Chaos said:
The only commercial speaker I know of that pulls this off well is the Jamo R909... which to say the least is not cheap at 17500$ per pair :P. Everyone knows that dipole designs are the hardest to make for accurate reproduction. Just check out linkwitzlabs.com and you'll know. No one actually does all that math to put car drivers, do they? So there's no way that haphazardly placed drivers in a car can produce audio that is transparent. I mean come on... there is defiinite reason than a pair of 5000$ floorstanders have such a big cabinet with drivers placed in a particular configuration. Can one achieve that in a car? Yes but you'd need to put a 30 kilo baffle, which needless to say will break a car's door if done :rofl:.

which driver do you plan to install in a baffle....we install the subs in a enclousure.....and the midbass in the door.....also the car audio driver are made specificaly for a car use which is may times IB......we can also install the sub woofer in a IB install considering some of the Thiele parameters like Vas Qts......Also I consider the drivers spec before buying I dont know about others......

Chaos said:
The other reason why car audio will never come close to decent home audio is amplification. Car audio amps are small multichannel tripath (class T) or class AB amps since they need high efficiency. If one were to put a Class A amp or an AB with class A biasing, well the car's battery would be dead in 5 minutes :P. Yes there are good class AB and T designs, but definitely not the ones found in a car. In case you didn't know, even an entry lvl stereo amp weighs close to 10 kilos, with the power supply contributing most to it. All car amps run straightaway from the battery with no signal filtering before being amplified. The other thing you'll note is the massive distortion present in most car amps... if you check up figures, you'll find their power being rated at 0.1-1% distortion depending on the make. Thats a humongous amount of distortion! Look at home audio amps and you'll find their nominal power is rated at 0.02% distortion at max. These car amps can't hold up to even an entry level NAD C320, forget a high end amp like mark levinson or krell or bryston or a nice tube amp like McIntosh.
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Reference series>200.2

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our McIntosh also make car amps with THD rating of .0005 THD

McIntosh

class A amp which will not drain the car battery....as it is desinged for car use....there are many more if you plan to install one in you car....

Steg-America

check out the above links you can clear see the distortion ratios, S/N ratios...and other values which can be easily compared with a home audio amps.....But i will not only see the THD rating while buying the amp there are many other factors involved.........even a amp with 0.0005% THD rating may sound bad when compared to a amp of 1% rating....so the THD rating is not a benchmark to compare amps......

Chaos said:
Loud yes, probably nice sounding depending on ears yes, better than consumer brands like sony yes, accurate - a big big NO!!!! Anyway I won't post anymore on this as its going completely off topic.

Ya I agree with you here...we are talking fully off-topic.......so I am out of here also......
 
^ Btw l_b_m, hows this setup for a Verna

Pioneer 7950

JBL GTO937

And which 2-way 5" front speakers to go for ?
 
Anish said:
^ Btw l_b_m, hows this setup for a Verna

Pioneer 7950
JBL GTO937

And which 2-way 5" front speakers to go for ?

the HU is good choice it has got inbuilt USB,aux in and lots of other tunning option like HPF, Sub control , Eq etc.......

the speakers for the rear are fine.....for the front you can use the jbl 607....as they can be easily fitted with a 1/2 inch spacer and they sound good.....like this....

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One thing I wanna say more is that there are many other brands also....so try to listen to them also before buying......leave the sony as it is worth less to buy......
 
Anish said:
Okay thanks. How much are the 607's roughly for a pair ?

Which other brands to look out for ?

dont remember the correct prices right now....about 3-4k range....

other brands would be....balupkunt, alpine, Rockford fogate, pioneer......
 
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