Commerce Vs Science

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Mate, try to take this in a constructive way..Seriously..No offence meant whatsoever!

Chaos said:
Also please tell me what made you think I announced my greatness?
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Here is a sample why

Chaos said:
I've met really bright people from NIT Trichy/Warangal/Thapar etc and they definitely had a positive impression on me but till date I've met none from either Meshra or Roorkee. We haven't even had a single intern from any of those places either since we found no one suitable.
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Since you haven't met anyone from Roorkee or Mesra who conformed to your expectations does not automatically mean all Roorkee/Mesra Grads are bad! Perhaps you found got a few lemons in your limited sample size?

E.g. I haven't met any IIT Hyderabad grad yet whose intelligence levels shone above mere mortals, yet that shouldn't (and hasn't) led me to the conclusion that all IIIT grads are mindless junkies!

Chaos said:
B-Schools I have no respect for either... nor do any of my friends who actually graduated out of the IIMs.
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There would be folks around who perhaps feel that Research grads don't even produce a fraction of the results that would be expected given the amount of time they put into research (e.g. look at what Vij stated)

But that doesn't justify thinking that Research schools are good-for-nothing!

Extending one's prejudiced assumptions to make overgeneralized statements like the ones above is not justifiable in any way...Would you disagree with this?

There are quite a few members here whose background/Field of work you would not be aware of...Add to it the fact that this forum gets visitors from all over. Some of these statements come across as baseless conclusions drawn upon limited experience, and that doesn't look good coming from a senior member.

As I stated above, do not take this post in a negative way and Try to read this as friendly advice
 
guys.. not as a advice but at a self expereance...
i took bcom with my 5 friends group for CA but i use to love comp, bikes etc
i use to spend hours in garage and computer institutes.. and later i couldn’t manage CA just because of lack of interest. Somehow completed bcom but still back to comp industry by doing MCSE seriously on my own.
CA is also hard compare to Engg and you need at least 4-5+ hours a day study and in exam time 10+ hours. my 4 friend only one of them completed CA in first attempt. 1 took 3 more attempts (1 in Inter and 2 for final) but rest two are still struggling(all 4 were in 90%+ category).
My point is for CA you need 4+ hours study and main is interest. For MBA it is little less but again what matter is your core interest. First identify what you want to do rather than what you should do..
side change, specially carrer you face hell lots of problem and lack of support from parents.... depends.
i still feel that i would have been at better place by doing BE comp or auto.
just a personal exp..
 
superczar said:
Mate, try to take this in a constructive way..Seriously..No offence meant whatsoever!

Here is a sample why

Since you haven't met anyone from Roorkee or Mesra who conformed to your expectations does not automatically mean all Roorkee/Mesra Grads are bad! Perhaps you found got a few lemons in your limited sample size?

E.g. I haven't met any IIT Hyderabad grad yet whose intelligence levels shone above mere mortals, yet that shouldn't (and hasn't) led me to the conclusion that all IIIT grads are mindless junkies!

There would be folks around who perhaps feel that Research grads don't even produce a fraction of the results that would be expected given the amount of time they put into research (e.g. look at what Vij stated)

But that doesn't justify thinking that Research schools are good-for-nothing!

Extending one's prejudiced assumptions to make overgeneralized statements like the ones above is not justifiable in any way...Would you disagree with this?

There are quite a few members here whose background/Field of work you would not be aware of...Add to it the fact that this forum gets visitors from all over. Some of these statements come across as baseless conclusions drawn upon limited experience, and that doesn't look good coming from a senior member.

As I stated above, do not take this post in a negative way and Try to read this as friendly advice
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^^Agreed with your basic point but its just my opinion and I'm perfectly justified in expressing it ain't I? They might be baseless conclusions according to you but IMHO I don't find anything wrong with them... Just because most people sit tight without opinions doesn't mean that I have to... Infact forums are all about opinions aren't they?

About research grads not producing results, its easy to criticize but once you step in the shoes, you'd realize how difficult it is to produce new intellectual property... Its not like a software company job where you have a preset requirement and you must use existing tools to meet those requirements. Its all about creativity more than anything else and a *lot* of love for what you do. If you don't love your work, there's no way to succeed in research.

Edit: If you work in a software company (which is what I assume), there's no chance of you finding the cream of the crop of any good institution ;).
 
Edit: If you work in a software company (which is what I assume), there's no chance of you finding the cream of the crop of any good institution
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Interesting read. However the above statement was a bit harsh.

And yes, i am a software engineer :)
 
Edit: If you work in a software company (which is what I assume), there's no chance of you finding the cream of the crop of any good institution .
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LOL..bunch of corrections there :P

a) I don't work in a software company..I work for a Financial service Organization, though my work does involve software...so you are right and wrong on that count, but for a while, let's assume I am an average-Joe Software guy

there's no chance of you finding the cream of the crop of any good institution
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Exactly the prejudiced assumptions i was talking about...

It's like saying that all the crackpots and deranged of any institute go into research ;)

oh, and BTW I was nowhere at the top of my batch ever throughout my education, maybe I was the sour cream! :bleh:

About research grads not producing results, its easy to criticize but once you step in the shoes, you'd realize how difficult it is to produce new intellectual property... Its not like a software company job where you have a preset requirement and you must use existing tools to meet those requirements.
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See what I said, you realize the difficulties and complications and limitations associated with Research, and I a lot others here can emphathize....

But then you diss the same poor software minions who emphathize with your difficulties ;)

you say they work off preset requirements...Now obviously the Great Lord Odin didn't step down from Valhalla to hand them the requirements...Some fella worked his head out to create a logical and structured set of requirements by studying an unstructured environment , analyzing problems, issues and then extracting what you call preset requirements

Nor were the existing tools handed over by the residents of Atlantis...

Some porr minions slogged their A$$ off to create these tools in the frst place

Anyway, the idea here is not to ridicule your line of work... And it's good that you love it..But for God's sake, please do not diss others! which at last count includes at least the following just in this thread alone :P

IIT Roorkee/ BIT Mesra/ Software Engineers/ MBAs/ IIM graduates

Apologies if I missed out on any other poor wasted class of people ;)
 
It is silly to look down on software professionals dumb just because they don't do research.

I bet Chaos doesn't write all the tools he uses himself. Sure there is research behind those tools, but at the end of the day there are a lot of smart s/w programmers who actually make the stuff useful.

Telling point in case, why doesn't chaos tell you how many people in MS research are not PhDs? Cos I have seen a few papers of MS Research (pls don't ask me which ones - they were some time ago and I don't have them with me anymore) and some of the dudes had only an MS.
 
There are certain folks(RSDE's, PMs) who don't need a PhD. They are the link between researchers and the actual dev teams. I ain't interested in fighting so won't reply to czar since the entire concept of flaming is pretty retarded... chill!
 
after having read through this WHOLE thread...

@akshitmohan :P First up u do LIKE tech ..or else u wouldnt be viewing this page in the first place...so ur thinking engg? DO NOT judge or take a course thinking its easier than this or that ... coz like said earlier ur going to have to work hard at some point in ur life and its crazy to start procrastinating :S .. IITs,IIMs are like tags ... though they do carry their own value they CANNOT be substituted for sincere work ... honestly i probably know 1% of what chaos,czar or kingroll know (coz i just got into coll) but since i mucked up the 12th boards pretty bad 89% :( i can probably give u a *bit* of advice...if u put in a few hours of solid work everyday in ur 12th u can easily easily get into a good college...u cant measure studying in hours :S..its got no units :P

when it comes to hardwork its now or later if u want success im learning that the hard way :(

its not about the hours you put in..its bout ur aptitude and attitude.

if u can manage one hr a day and clear all ur papers and enjoy the subjects then its cool.

Im in my 2nd yr on engg now and mainly study a few weeks before the exams.. And daily i just go thru the stuff taught for 40 mins to 1 hr.

Maths needs to be worked out daily which i dont do..

touchwood its been working for me..
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exactly the thing NOT to do :ohyeah:

about commerce i dont know much :P but science isnt some kind of firewall u cant get through :P its pretty easy if u like it .. if u dont u have a problem on ur hands :ohyeah: and if ur confused after all this... u should look at ur family background what ur dad does and so and so... coz if ur THAT confused as to what course u must take up after 10th ...then there isnt any room for personal choice as of such :|

and @czar,chaos and kingkrool ...:S u guys have some pretty nice marks..er maybe NICE is not the word :P and its kind of stupid when u u guys argue (czar and chaos) :D so knock it off :P
 
Bottom line is, you gotta work hard....... I am a prime example..... I just GAVE up hardwork when I joined ENGG and now, I am paying the price for it :'( :'( :cry: ......
 
^ I am even a better example than you are. I scored a pathetic 70% in 12th boards, just due to lack of sincerity and focus, and I used to be a really bright student during my junior school till 10th - 11th, stood 5th in my school in the 10th boards out of 3 classes.

After that it was a huge downslide to my career. Due to lack of decent marks, I had no choice but to take into an engineering branch i never bothered about- chem engg, and got admitted where most students werent too bright.

After that I wasted 2 years in college, flunking various subjects and a complete lack of focus on what I wanted to do. Luckily I somehow got back on the track past a year and a half, and things have been working out well since then.

If youre going to study for 1.5 hour a day and expect to pass with top % then youre just either really stupid or incredibly arrogant. 12th boards require you to put in min of 4 hours a day of homework apart from tuitions and school.
 
^ yeah but youre going to be in the 12th next year. So just giving you a perspective. Working optimally is the key. Dont slog like a donkey. But your 1.5 hour study schedule isnt going to work in 12th.
 
Chaos said:
But its the same for all theoretical research. Its done for the love of your work/subject not for any social or pragmatic reasons. Looking at extreme examples, seriously how will proving the Poincare conjecture help in improving the world :P. But well someone just did it and its a huge achievement in pure math and computer science.
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It is naive to say "all theoretical research" is done for the love of your work and these research works never have any tangible outcomes. Most theoretical research have great significance in real life. However, in most cases, there is a considerable lag between the research work and the application of that research in real life. Believe me mate, hardly anybody funds research works where there is no possibility of tangible outcome either in the short run or in the long run. And more than 80 percent of current research is done under private funding. And don't be so sure about the Poincare conjecture...we are not even aware what kind of possibilities this new understanding has opened up.

Maybe you did not phrase your comment correctly. May be you wanted to say something like this:
"Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it".- Quote by Richard Feynman
 
IS SCIENCE WORTH IT ? Suppose I study hard and get into like DCE or something(not being arrogant now)...... and say i do an MBA from the US after that, so would the DCE+MBA combo get me a higher paying job than say an eco honours at stephen's and an MBA from the same US university ?
 
What I meant was that Stephen's is certainly not a time saving alternative. As for MBA in US, you generally need a few years of experience under your belt. If you are dead set on an MBA abroad, then Stephen's may be a better bet, if you want to move into the lucrative finance sector.
 
man so much..tips. from..all u ppl on carrer guidance...man i will be needing..one soon...so will send u my details too!!
 
IS SCIENCE WORTH IT ? Suppose I study hard and get into like DCE or something(not being arrogant now)...... and say i do an MBA from the US after that, so would the DCE+MBA combo get me a higher paying job than say an eco honours at stephen's and an MBA from the same US university ?
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er dude .. dont build castles in the air :bleh: but u gotta like one of em right(commerce or science)... i mean reflect on the subjects uve studied so far obviously u would have a bit of both in them ... which did u like better... dont tell me u dont know :S ... u GOTTA like something :| choose that ...
 
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