Market Feedback Deal with "ironman"

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All those suggesting take the phone 'instead' are suggesting the dumbest thing. Something is better than nothing does not always work. How can he substitute a device for a refund...? Seeing the past history, it is highly probable that these scenarios can occur:

1. Defunct phone sent -- and denial of the fact that it was non-functional. (Hands washed off the 7K deal).

2. Phone not even shipped -- same story as refund. I will, I am sick, have mailed, bogus tracking number, not receiving calls/SMS/PM. (A circle never ends)

3. Perfect condition phone sent as substitute.

The buyer can now decide to use his head or his gut.
 
asingh said:
1. Defunct phone sent -- and denial of the fact that it was non-functional. (Hands washed off the 7K deal).
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This scenario you should keep in mind while deciding things out. He could give all kinds of excuses like "it might have happened during shipping" or "You must have done it" etc.

I'd advise that as you are not interested in that phone don't get into this, and demand your 7k and tell him that you will file an FIR if he doesn't do that in max 5 days.
 
@Kniwor

I wouldn't advise you to take the phone mate. If you actually want the phone, you can wait a little while before some real/authentic deal comes up. But for this guy we can never be sure if its for real... atleast i cannot trust him again.

I am going to call him at 11 and I believe he will offer me the same deal he has offered you (To buy the phone). I won't be buying the phone and would ask for my money.

Edit at 11:25: This guy not answering my call and now his phone is switched off. After last nights sms, he assured me he will return the money and will talk to me in morning... but here he is at his best again.
 
asingh said:
All those suggesting take the phone 'instead' are suggesting the dumbest thing. Something is better than nothing does not always work. How can he substitute a device for a refund...? Seeing the past history, it is highly probable that these scenarios can occur:

1. Defunct phone sent -- and denial of the fact that it was non-functional. (Hands washed off the 7K deal).

2. Phone not even shipped -- same story as refund. I will, I am sick, have mailed, bogus tracking number, not receiving calls/SMS/PM. (A circle never ends)

3. Perfect condition phone sent as substitute.

The buyer can now decide to use his head or his gut.
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And how else do you suggest one get their money back, by posting here?

If he had any intention of returning the money, he would have done so by now. He's already washing off his hand off the 7k deal (not receiving calls or replying to PMs). Sure there are some risks attached but its still a chance to get something back. Better than nothing I would say.

Trying to get in touch with him, convince him to return YOUR money, threatening him with blacklisting or banning or legal action or dire consequences is not gonna work if he has decided he does not want to use TE anymore under the same user name. Who's stopping him from shutting down this account and then registering again after a few weeks with a new a/c? Would anyone of us know the difference?

Hell, if I write you a cheque today and it bounces, the earliest you'll see your money through legal action is 2 years, if you're lucky (personal experience multiple times).
 
@kniwor - Have dealt with you before, so you should know me well. Most of the other senior TE guys know me as well (Have met couple of them during deals). Offer you to help. If you want, ask him to meet me with the phone, I will check the phone and call you instantly. If he claims he has issue with his bank (which i almost never did except during weekend transactions which sometimes have gone till wednesday) i can pick up the money for you and transfer the money through my account.

I dont expect anything from anyone out of this. Been in TE for a long time, dont want ppl to lose trust unnecessarily because of some miscommunication or unscrupulous ppl. pm me if you need any help. I just hate going on a long journey in Bangalore traffic so if he asks me to come from one end of city to other, that is the only thing I cannot do.
 
Agupta20:
You yourself are posting here, will that get the buyers money back. So do not throw naive questions at me. Personally I would never take a substitute for a second hand deal, and that too when the original article was never delivered. Yes, it is different if Asus sends me a different model for an RMA that did not work out. Why, one they are a corporation, second I did receive something -- initially. As I mentioned in my last line, the buyer can base his decision on instinct or sheer logic with reference to the proceedings of this deal. Nothing can stop the seller from restarting at TE. But people have to be vigilant and alert. Understand the concept behind the TE market. I am also not that tenured at TE, and have only 3 market deals under my belt. But from what I understand there is trust, honor, and honesty involved. Taking money then not mailing the equipment, and not refunding, and offering a substitute negate all those characteristics.

Thanks for letting me know the 2 year turn around time for a bounced cheque coupled with legal proceedings.
 
asingh said:
Agupta20:

You yourself are posting here, will that get the buyers money back. So do not throw naive questions at me. Personally I would never take a substitute for a second hand deal, and that too when the original article was never delivered. Yes, it is different if Asus sends me a different model for an RMA that did not work out. Why, one they are a corporation, second I did receive something -- initially. As I mentioned in my last line, the buyer can base his decision on instinct or sheer logic with reference to the proceedings of this deal. Nothing can stop the seller from restarting at TE. But people have to be vigilant and alert. Understand the concept behind the TE market. I am also not that tenured at TE, and have only 3 market deals under my belt. But from what I understand there is trust, honor, and honesty involved. Taking money then not mailing the equipment, and not refunding, and offering a substitute negate all those characteristics.

Thanks for letting me know the 2 year turn around time for a bounced cheque coupled with legal proceedings.
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Dude I guess it would actually be naive of me to think that someone who has ran out on a deal would have enough "honor, trust and HONESTY" to return the money when asked for a refund. In fact, I think it would be the "dumbest thing" to expect him to return your money JLT.

I guess one has to "understand" the TE marketplace concept to actually suggest the "non-dumbest thing" to do which is to keep on endlessly asking for ones money back and threatening them with legal consequences which you may or may not be able to follow through.

And why am I posting here? This is forum and its meant for posting. I am not expecting he'll get his money back by me posting here but atleast I can give him my views as how to proceed in the situation. You are free to do the same just don't mark anyone else's views "Dumb." Firstly, its not nice to say that and secondly you don't know where everyone's coming from and maybe where you live the police and the legal system would be very effective but its not a universal factor.
 
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There have been instances where eventually the money was returned for sour deals, even if late, by constant push. Yes, here the seller has been totally slippery, but I feel it is safer to push him for the money rather than make this a double deal and again increase the risk factor. It does not matter to me from where someone hails. They could be from the moon for all I care. Its the deal here at TE which is of concern. I thought the phone replacement idea was dumb, if you want you can say the same to my views. Big deal.

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++++The substitution involves more outflow of cash for the buyer. So to get his money back, he has to shell out more -- to someone who never even sent the initial product. Can you not see how the seller is playing with the buyer here....?
 
The guy has now sent me his address. The way I figure it now, "Khimera" can talk to him (if the address is correct i.e., which I will have checked today. My friend in Vodafone will give me the details of his phone number and if I find anything wrong. That person on whose name the phone connection is will be dealt with.). Khimera can get the money if he can give is, which is preferable to me. But if he does not have the money at all and the phone is as he says with proper bill and all. Khimera will pick it from him.
@Khimera
Thanks a lot, really appreciate that. I have PM'd u the details of this guy. Including the address, maybe you can get in touch with him.

The guy has requested me not to post his address on TE, and I will honor the request for the time being.

I just called him and had a word with him. I will have him get in touch with Khimera and post back again.
 
agupta02 said:
Hell, if I write you a cheque today and it bounces, the earliest you'll see your money through legal action is 2 years, if you're lucky (personal experience multiple times).
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Well If I were in kwiwor's position, I would rather take my chances with the legal route or just leave that 7k than send another 4k in addition to the 7k and end up with a defunct phone or not get a phone at all. Sending him or anyone else more money based on his word would be most stupidest thing to do. Does it not occur to you to sending in more money based on that guy's word is not even worth calling a valid suggestion.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Well If I were in kwiwor's position, I would rather take my chances with the legal route or just leave that 7k than send another 4k in addition to the 7k and end up with a defunct phone or not get a phone at all. Sending him or anyone else more money based on his word would be most stupidest thing to do. Does it not occur to you to sending in more money based on that guy's word is not even worth calling a valid suggestion.
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NO!
Sending money is out of question!!! How can you even suppose I would so something as stupid as that. Even if i were to take the phone, any transfers will be done only and only after I have it in my hand hand am fully satisfied with I have.

But, I don't think I want the phone at all actually, I want my money back. And I am waiting for Khimera to get back to me so i can talk to him finally and set a deadline.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Well If I were in kwiwor's position, I would rather take my chances with the legal route or just leave that 7k than send another 4k in addition to the 7k and end up with a defunct phone or not get a phone at all. Sending him or anyone else more money based on his word would be most stupidest thing to do. Does it not occur to you to sending in more money based on that guy's word is not even worth calling a valid suggestion.
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Kniwor had already mentioned in his post earlier that the money would not be transferred before he receives the phone and then too the money has to be transferred to Lethal to take care of some of his pymts. Of course it would be damn stupid to send in more money to ironman. But in this case, kniwor had an option to receive another phone in place the original one and then pay the extra amount. Taking into account the fact that ironman might NOT have the money and he was a likely flight risk, hence the suggestion that getting the phone might not be a bad idea. Anyway, seems like there is some resolution in sight. Lets hope everything works out for these guys.
 
Ok, He has again stopped replying or taking calls the moment I said I don't need the phone just give me the money.
 
LOL what a jerk! About time we shut down the market for sometime and resort to eBay for trading. :|
 
How abt u post his address and details here...

If he doesnt budge anymore.. lets all start calling him and some "get well soon retard "cards :@. A guy is as good as his word IMO.

Mate u need to do something serious. dont let jerks like this get away. they think its online, no face to face and shit so they can do whatever they want.
 
What a retard person !!! I would say never deal with a member having post count under 200 and who joined TE for the purpose of market section only. Alternately for the safer side complete deal through eBay.

@kniwor

Dude, threat him with intention of legal actions or contact local member to take care of him, face to face.
 
Maybe you could write a letter addressed to Mr. or better yet, Mrs. <Ironsman's last name> hoping that his father/mother gets a hold of it. In the letter write down your issue and hope that his father/mother can intervene and get this thing sorted giving him a nice flogging while they're at it :D. You could even ask someone from Bangalore to do a 197 on his ass and get a home landline number. Might put a little more pressure on him if you let him know you're gonna call up at odd hours and act as a bank recovery agent.
 
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