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Delhi gangrape protests
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Probably one sided love or the girl must have rejected the guy or something.
That isn't for him to decide. Going by your rhetorical bullshit, we should just appoint the perceived victims as judge and jury. The people asking for death sentences are from the same society that spawned the rapists. This bestial attitude will do more harm that good, and unleashing the people's bloodlust on the convicts will not result in any victory. The protesting crowds do not get to decide whether these men are truly irredeemable.
Anyway, if death is made a standard punishments for rapes, the same will be done by rapists here that pedophiles do in America. They'll just slit the victim's throat after they're done.
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On the new years Eve, a 17 year old was raped and killed in Delhi, just heard on the radio.
Rape hasn't stopped but rapist are making sure that the victim is dead.
Rape hasn't stopped but rapist are making sure that the victim is dead.
You are talking bullshit my friend. Even I've read Nietzsche and can quote his "monsters" quote. But this wasn't a simple rape, let's tabulate out the various points where it deviates from a simple rape, which I define as forceful sexual intercourse and nothing else.
1. It was planned well in advance.
2. It was done in a gang.
3. It was done in a moving bus, in which the victim was lured.
4. Bodily harm and torture.
5. Insertion of metal rods and other particle objects into the victims genitalia and orifices.
6. Multiple-organ failure, which means even if she'd survived, she would be severely handicapped for life, and requiring life support.
7. It resulted in a death.
There are also reports coming in that the accused also tried to kill the victim by trying to run the bus over her after she was dumped. That also makes it an attempted murder.
So, what punishment if not death penalty?
And I'm not asking for any uncivilized justice at the hands of public. Let the courts and law decide who does it, but it's a question of "What sentence will justify such an act?".
A death penalty will not bring back the girl, but it'll take away the chance, no matter how remote, that these men may have had at redemption. The protesters are of the same society that lit firecrackers when Kasab was hanged, and re-elected governments responsible for massacring people en masse. They think hanging the rapists will make their women safe, it'll give closure and a happy ending to everything. They do not want to acknowledge that these men were a symptom of a disease that afflicts everyone in our society. But rather than introspecting they seek the causes elsewhere. Chinese food, Bunny Singh, prohibition of child marriages and skirts are responsible for rapes. Demonizing the rapists will achieve nothing other than offer gratification to the baying crowd.
Why do you care what the protesters demand and whether their wishes come true or not? It's not about them, it's about justice to the victim who died a horrible death after undergoing torture and rape by the accused.
And if not demonizing the rapists, then what, glorify them? Perhaps give them a award to having opened our eyes to such heinous crimes?
The society has to change, I agree with that. It's a long drawn out process to just leave behind the misogynist attitude we've been brainwashed from our childhood. But that's an afterthought that we have to figure out on our own. Leaving the rapists/torturers/murderers to enjoy their tax funded stay in prison is not something I'm comfortable with.
Kindly explain how you think you would provide redemption for people like these. These men weren't the "symptom of a disease", as you so eloquently put it, they were the disease themselves. A person who does such acts without the influence of any mind-altering drugs has his wiring all wrong.
These protesters are of the same society? Exactly what do you mean by this? Each one of us belongs to our "society". Are you trying to sweep all of them under the same umbrella? Kindly refrain from making such broad generalizations. A person's beliefs are instated due to a lot of things - his upbringing, his roots, his experiences. Everyone has a different reaction to things. In a country like India where, unfortunately, half (or more) the country still believes that females are the weaker sex, these protests are a good starting point to make people think about these issues and discuss them. Even if politicians do something about these issues only for the sake of appeasing voters, half the battle is won. Being an armchair critic and saying that no one wants to introspect, I would love to hear how you think we can better introspect about these issues.
You are talking about everyone not seeing the reality whereas you yourself have conveniently ignored some facts. These protests are not only about hanging the rapists, these are also about bringing changes in the laws and their implementation. Implementation being the keyword here.
The baying crowd is the one who has to suffer repeated abuse at the hands of people who know that they are not going to be punished for passing lewd comments, groping, sexual harassment and even rape. I've read and heard so many horror stories about women being harassed day in and out, simply because people know they can get away with it.
Why do you care what the protesters demand and whether their wishes come true or not? It's not about them, it's about justice to the victim who died a horrible death after undergoing torture and rape by the accused.
When an incident gets to you on an emotional level, it is never about justice then. You don't give a damn about justice you just want a noose around their necks. The only one qualified to decide the sentence is the judge who'll hear the case.
And if not demonizing the rapists, then what, glorify them? Perhaps give them a award to having opened our eyes to such heinous crimes?
I don't think this discussion will go anywhere if you intentionally misconstrue my statements.
Leaving the rapists/torturers/murderers to enjoy their tax funded stay in prison is not something I'm comfortable with.
If that is what you think then you don't know what prisons are for in the first place. Anyway, no one gives a damn about what you're comfortable with, five men shouldn't die just so that you get to feel warm and fuzzy.
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Fortunately, it isn't you who gets to decide that.
In a country like India where, unfortunately, half (or more) the country still believes that females are the weaker sex. I'm not generalizing shit, the numbers are in front of you, or do you believe that such misogynist and chauvinist thinking doesn't breed rapists. In a nation that is the worst place for a woman to be born in, amongst the G20, do you think it's an anomaly that so many friggin rapes occur?
By listening to what the protestors, not the ones burning Honey Singh's posters or asking for the death penalty, but those asking for a change in the mindset of our people, are trying to say. That would be a start.
Why are you even bringing this into the discussion when I never made a mention about them? I am only discussing the section of the public asking for them to be hanged.
When an incident gets to you on an emotional level, it is never about justice then. You don't give a damn about justice you just want a noose around their necks. The only one qualified to decide the sentence is the judge who'll hear the case.
And if not demonizing the rapists, then what, glorify them? Perhaps give them a award to having opened our eyes to such heinous crimes?
I don't think this discussion will go anywhere if you intentionally misconstrue my statements.
Leaving the rapists/torturers/murderers to enjoy their tax funded stay in prison is not something I'm comfortable with.
If that is what you think then you don't know what prisons are for in the first place. Anyway, no one gives a damn about what you're comfortable with, five men shouldn't die just so that you get to feel warm and fuzzy.
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Fortunately, it isn't you who gets to decide that.
In a country like India where, unfortunately, half (or more) the country still believes that females are the weaker sex. I'm not generalizing shit, the numbers are in front of you, or do you believe that such misogynist and chauvinist thinking doesn't breed rapists. In a nation that is the worst place for a woman to be born in, amongst the G20, do you think it's an anomaly that so many friggin rapes occur?
By listening to what the protestors, not the ones burning Honey Singh's posters or asking for the death penalty, but those asking for a change in the mindset of our people, are trying to say. That would be a start.
Why are you even bringing this into the discussion when I never made a mention about them? I am only discussing the section of the public asking for them to be hanged.
What nonsense are you typing and trying to be uber PC. Shut up.
No court judgement ever brings back, or undoes what occurred. Even if you get a parking ticket or a speed ticket, is it undone after you pay the penalty...? It is a retribution, and sorry to say, the ante goes up as the crime severity is seen. Probably if redemption is felt, then they can be put into the slammer till death (naturally); but they have lost their rights to be in civil society. Society is society, so them lighting fire crackers and re-electing Modi, does not take away rights for them to protest. What a stupid logic. Also do you really know what the protesters are asking for: that these cases be fast-tracked, the social stigma be removed, better treatment for victims at the medical facility (some rape victims have been subjected to the "probe test"; to verify rupture of hymen), rebuke and insult by cops (who refuse immediate FIR) at police stations, lack of female officers during times of FIR, preaching to women who faced harassment. You are suggesting a psychoanalysis of the belligerent(s); that can be done while they are in remand or post conviction.
Rapes are not being demonized, it is already a demonic activity.
True, justice based on just emotions is bad. Agreed.
I didn't misconstrue, I was just asking a valid question.
Wow, so you think I want them to be hanged because I want to feel warm and fuzzy inside? WHAT THE ****. Me feeling or not feeling has nothing to do with them being hanged. And same applies to others.
I just want you to tell me why not death penalty? It is a brutal and heinous crime.
When did I say that I want to sit on the judge panel and decide what happens? There are law makers and judiciary to carry out their responsibilities.
I am feeding the troll but not got anything better to do..
--> yes, I'm not. That is why the courts are present. If they decide that a group of 6 men (who committed rape and tortured a defenceless women with the intent to kill) are awarded the death sentence, so be it.
--> I totally agree with you. As I asked earlier, pray tell me how you want to change the mentality of twisted people. Put action to your words.
I don't think the word means what you think it means. If you are implying that I'm raising a stink here to get you all riled up, I don't know what to say to that. I think I'll just have to leave the thread for you guys to circle-jerk in.
--> I totally agree with you. As I asked earlier, pray tell me how you want to change the mentality of twisted people. Put action to your words.
Don't change the topic of the conversation if you don't have an argument to give. Unless, you think that the death penalty will bring a change in mentality, in which case I was just wasting my time and effort here.
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Sorry, stopped reading there. Here are two books for a beginner to read and get some perspective.
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Because then you shift focus from the real problem which is the contemptuous and hateful atmosphere towards women in Indian society. By demonizing them, you make the perpetrators seem like freak accidents, something that it out of place in an otherwise normal society.
You don't answer a brutal and heinous crime with a brutal and heinous punishment.
When did I say that I want to sit on the judge panel and decide what happens? There are law makers and judiciary to carry out their responsibilities.
That was a reply to someone else.
Quite stupid and pathetic, the above reply. You really do not know what you are arguing for, and what actually the protesters out there are asking. It is just not death for the six. Thanks, for "not reading ahead". Every Tom/Dick/Harry/Jane knows out there, that rape and its repercussions are a social issue for India. So your argument does not bring anything new to the table. It is quite sorted out. A trial for the six, and change in social mindset of our society. You are complicating the matter way beyond what it actually is: not sure why though.
What the. I'm not going to answer this, go back and read what this statement was a reply to.
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If the fundamental argument of your post is wrong, the rest of your post isn't worth reading, is it?
You are forcing me to give complicated answers, man. My original point was that it is wrong for the protestors to demand the death penalty for the men because that is the job of the judge. Try being mindful of your sentence structure though, made it seem like I was reading haiku.
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