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m-jeri said:
Yesterday night watched sherlock.. What a garbage. I think they just rushed out this episode also. Perhaps writers wrote it in the loo. Utter BS.

Started watching Seinfeld again. Glad to be back on good shows.

Try out Comedians getting coffee in car by seinfeld.. :).. Nice.
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Seinfeld is awesome as always :D
 
sherlock . pretty much not sherlock was for the earlier two seasons.
the 2 episodes are already done and the story for this season has not even started yet :shifty: :mad:
 
Thing like that happen when show get huge success...
I remember same thing happen to heroes, lost and prison break after two season...
 
Lot of hate for Sherlock .. :O

So everyone expects the showrunners to rehash the same 3 mysteries per Season formula ad-nauseum .. please go ahead and watch its Americanized version 'Elementary' ..

Moffat isn't some amateur to story telling, they are progressing in a more character centric direction and peeking into the backstory of each character (in case you missed it that's what the next Episode is about .. the man who knows everyone's secrets) ..

The Holmes parents, Mycroft's insecurities .. their brother's childhood,
Watson's history .. & the total lack of for Mary .. these will all be essential to the coming episode.

If Season 3 of Sherlock is 'garbage' then lets turn off our 'televisions' right now ..[DOUBLEPOST=1389101753][/DOUBLEPOST]
manucitc said:
Thing like that happen when show get huge success...
I remember same thing happen to heroes, lost and prison break after two season...
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avi said:
^HIMYM, TBBT too.
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These shows failed because they wouldn't move out their original success formula .. they become their own parody after a while.
Their success becomes a cliche .. any show based off an original screenplay must evolve.
 
i have started to feel that shows like sherlock or game of thrones should be watched by the seasons and not by installments .
the disappointment grows when watched weekly. not sure it would be like that for a season at a go.
 
I like both Sherlock and Elementary.
Often think that Elementary gets an unfair treatment because mostly it appears as if it is piggybacking on BBC's success and that is not the case.
Both Miller and Liu are wonderful actors and the supporting cast is pretty great as well.
Since second season, the show is creating its own universe and it is quite uneasy to watch at times due to some harsh truths about Sherlock and how his presence could affect those who are around him.
 
^ yeah that's the one.

I feel Elementary is a watchable series - nothing spectacular but something that you can take a look at when you're having dinner or something. It really isn't "Sherlock Holmes" if that's what one is looking for - apart from the names of characters - but if you take out the Holmes factor from it, it's quite alright.

The past episode
about Moriarty and her daughter seemed predictable - once the kidnappers got the girl to talk to her mom - I don't why the characters on screen didn't make the deduction about Moriarty being the girls mother...seemed strange to me..

there are a few similar plot lines which are not very well done but its a reasonable show nonetheless..
 
dexBG said:
Lot of hate for Sherlock .. :O

So everyone expects the showrunners to rehash the same 3 mysteries per Season formula ad-nauseum .. please go ahead and watch its Americanized version 'Elementary' ..

Moffat isn't some amateur to story telling, they are progressing in a more character centric direction and peeking into the backstory of each character (in case you missed it that's what the next Episode is about .. the man who knows everyone's secrets) ..

The Holmes parents, Mycroft's insecurities .. their brother's childhood,
Watson's history .. & the total lack of for Mary .. these will all be essential to the coming episode.

If Season 3 of Sherlock is 'garbage' then lets turn off our 'televisions' right now
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It's not garbage, but definitely not worth the high praise either. I don't mind a season-long story, but Sherlock has been totally out of character, even for someone as eccentric as himself. Moreover, you are defending the show based on what the next episode is about? What kind of logic is that? Sherlock is one of my favourite shows, even now, but it hasn't kept up with the bar it set for itself in the previous seasons. That is what it should be compared to. I'm enjoying it, sure, but still disappointed with the execution.

I need to add that the script of the second episode was beyond brilliant. Some of the dialogues Sherlock says during his speech are just too amazing.

Take this for instance, said in between the speech:

...and contrast is after all God's own plan to enhance the beauty of his creation...

[pause]

...or it would be if God were not a ludicrous fantasy designed to provide a career opportunity for the family idiot.

The change in expression of one of the guests as he shifts from one sentence to the another is noteworthy.

There are many others that are worth a second viewing.
 
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Superbad said:
i have started to feel that shows like sherlock or game of thrones should be watched by the seasons and not by installments .
the disappointment grows when watched weekly. not sure it would be like that for a season at a go.
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Exactly same feeling here. When i watched the first 2 seasons of sherlock, i had very little idea about what the series was and my mind was blown away. Even the underrated episodes like hound of baskerville was my favorite. Then of course , i scouted imdb boards regularly , invented theories of my own as to how he survived etc. I think the extra hype and expectation that we create in our minds somehow kills the joy of watching the episode on its own merit and its better to finish an entire season and judge it on a whole rather than watching episode by episode.

Im so glad shows like breaking bad are over. Now i can watch it as a whole and dont have to anticipate a single episode.
 
Superbad said:
i have started to feel that shows like sherlock or game of thrones should be watched by the seasons and not by installments .
the disappointment grows when watched weekly. not sure it would be like that for a season at a go.
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Haven't watched Sherlock season3 till now, Looks like everyone's doing the same. :D
 
blkrb0t said:
It's not garbage, but definitely not worth the high praise either. I don't mind a season-long story, but Sherlock has been totally out of character, even for someone as eccentric as himself. Moreover, you are defending the show based on what the next episode is about? What kind of logic is that? Sherlock is one of my favourite shows, even now, but it hasn't kept up with the bar it set for itself in the previous seasons. That is what it should be compared to. I'm enjoying it, sure, but still disappointed with the execution.

I need to add that the script of the second episode was beyond brilliant. Some of the dialogues Sherlock says during his speech are just too amazing.

Take this for instance, said in between the speech:

...and contrast is after all God's own plan to enhance the beauty of his creation...

[pause]

...or it would be if God were not a ludicrous fantasy designed to provide a career opportunity for the family idiot.

The change in expression of one of the guests as he shifts from one sentence to the another is noteworthy.

There are many others that are worth a second viewing.
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The previous two seasons were spectacular .. and yes you should judge a show by its complete plot. The creators utilized the first two episode for some light heart moments, fan service and setting up a good foundation .. Why is it unfair to appreciate/acknowledge that ?

All viewers are surprised by the change of pace and I can say it was pleasant for me .. it absolutely hasn't degraded the show's quality in any way ..
Sherlock isn't some one dimensional autistic freak any more .. To put it best -- "Its not a detective show , its a show about a detective .."
Getting to explore the character more is what every show should strive for ..

Repeating the 3 mystery flow would have stagnated the show at this point .. The characters had to mature and move on .. Its not CSI : London ..
Holding on to the impressions of the first 2 seasons isn't going to make the current viewing any better.

How would you suggest the Season's story be executed ?
 
True. People are just justifying Sherlock saying this and that. Point is, its utter rubbish garbage comparing to first 2. Cumber and Freeman are 2 busy actors that may not have time for this.. The 2 episodes were pointless. They serve no purpose or anything.

Justified is back. :). Pysch also.. :). Alteast with "normal" shows they meet expectations.
 
m-jeri said:
True. People are just justifying Sherlock saying this and that. Point is, its utter rubbish garbage comparing to first 2. Cumber and Freeman are 2 busy actors that may not have time for this.. The 2 episodes were pointless. They serve no purpose or anything.

Justified is back. :). Pysch also.. :). Alteast with "normal" shows they meet expectations.
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People are actually just looking to hate Sherlock's Season 3 by saying this and that .. unless they have better ideas what S03 should have been produced.

The 2 episodes were pointless. They serve no purpose or anything.
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Episode 3 should change that ..

Cumber and Freeman are 2 busy actors that may not have time for this
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The 3rd Season was shot long back ..
 
And yea. you do have a better idea. Please, its a TV show. I want to be entertained. If it cant entertain the watchers, its garbage. I don't want TV show's to teach me things.
 
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