Graphic Cards First (dubious) 9800GTX+ review

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Firing Squad tests Nvidia's latest card against HD 4850. The card is made and dispatched in such a hurry that it lacks even a single sticker on its body. See in its nude glory



The card wins most of the benches but not by much. And it does not help that most of the games nowadays favour Nvidia hardware so one can easily cherry pick titles to benchmaks.

Also, to me the Firing Squads figures seemed a little dubious. Based on what i have seen at Guru3D, TechReport, TechPowerUp and Anand Tech their figures 4850 seemed a little low.

But, good thing for consumers is that The War has just begin. 9800GTX is down to $199 and MSI's HD 4850 is already selling for $175 at Newegg if we count mail-in-rebate.

From Firing Squad:

Clearly the moral of this story if you’re AMD is to keep your plans quiet. If AMD had done a better job of keeping the details on RV770 under wraps, NVIDIA wouldn’t have had the opportunity to spoil their big launch. NVIDIA’s lesson learned is to not underestimate AMD. We along with everyone else in the online media were extremely disappointed by the original 9800 GTX launch: the card offered little over the GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB, much less an 8800 GTX or 8800 Ultra. The GeForce 9800 GTX+ is what the original 9800 GTX should have been in our opinion. The 9800 GTX runs about 8 or 9% faster than the 9800 GTX, which still isn’t always enough to overtake the 8800 Ultra, but it’s definitely an improvement. The disappointing part about the 9800 GTX+ is that these cards won’t hit shelves until sometime in July.

The Radeon 4850 will hit retail as soon as June 25th, giving it a few weeks head start over the GTX+. And we don’t know when NVIDIA’s new pricing will take effect. A quick glance at Newegg right now reveals that 9800 GTX boards are still selling for well over $199.
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Radeon HD 4850 512MB and GeForce 9800 GTX+ Performance Quick Take
 
morgoth said:
Firing Squad tests Nvidia's latest card against HD 4850. The card is made and dispatched in such a hurry that it lacks even a single sticker on its body. See in its nude glory



The card wins most of the benches but not by much. And it does not help that most of the games nowadays favour Nvidia hardware so one can easily cherry pick titles to benchmaks.

Also, to me the Firing Squads figures seemed a little dubious. Based on what i have seen at Guru3D, TechReport, TechPowerUp and Anand Tech their figures 4850 seemed a little low.

But, good thing for consumers is that The War has just begin. 9800GTX is down to $199 and MSI's HD 4850 is already selling for $175 at Newegg if we count mail-in-rebate.

From Firing Squad:

Radeon HD 4850 512MB and GeForce 9800 GTX+ Performance Quick Take
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Well the 9800 GTX prices will go down probably soon, but they haven't yet, the cheapest 9800gtx's are still @ $270. If you know different pls correct me!

But @ $200, I think this will sell over the 9800GTX+, but i'll wait for other reviews and if the difference is up then who knows.
 
gtx+ vs gtx dice

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Results from beta physX drivers (177.39)

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Tech ARP - ED#95 : NVIDIA Launches PhysX!

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Those nos means shit to me. The nos dont tell the real story. One should *always* compare the nos for which he is buying the card and that is games. Only those matter and nothing else. These benchmarks never show the true picture.

In reality the 9800GTX+ and 4850 are on the same playing field with GTX+ being $25-$40 more.
 
well after looking at the reviews the 9800GTX+ is faster in most of the games,now the thing is ATI cards are usually priced higher in india so i have feeling that the 4850 will cost the same as 9800GTX+ in india,and if thats the case i doubt people will go for the ATI.
 
Those nos means shit to me. The nos dont tell the real story. One should *always* compare the nos for which he is buying the card and that is games. Only those matter and nothing else. These benchmarks never show the true picture.

In reality the 9800GTX+ and 4850 are on the same playing field with GTX+ being $25-$40 more.
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^^^The 9800GTX+ is faster than the 4850 from most of the benchmarks, no matter what; ;)

Both the cards consume the same amount of power at loads;

Besides the GTX+ has an ample headroom for overclocking; not to mention the 55nm tech;

And for all this, the USD25 extra for the GTX+ is what u've to pay and wait for July mid for the release of it whereas u can almost immediately pick up a 4850 which offers the best performance for the price; :D
 
gannu said:
^^^The 9800GTX+ is faster than the 4850 from most of the benchmarks, no mater what; ;)

Both the cards consume the same amount of power at loads;

Besides the GTX+ has an ample headroom for overclocking; not to mention the 55nm tech;

And for all this, the USD25 extra for the GTX+ is what u've to pay and wait for July mid for the release of it whereas u can almost immediately pick up a 4850 which offers the best performance for the price; :D
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yeah but the 4850 wont give the best performance to price ratio in india,since it will be overpriced ,seeing the way the 3870 are priced i am pretty much sure the ati 4850 will be around 15k to 15.5k
 
I doubt that the 9800 GTX+ will be faster at higher levels of AA and AF.

Judging from all the reviews, the 9800 GTX is head-to-head with the 4850 with 1xAA and takes a performance hit at 4xAA.

So the 9800 GTX+ might be significantly faster than the 4850 without AA, but if you're going to run it at higher levels of AA and AF, then the 4850 is better IMO :)
 
And the best part is the 4850 in CF, will probably [I guess it should!!] dethrone the 9800GTX in SLI; :D

We need some CF/SLI comparos as well; :)
 
guys in the legit review of 4850 vs 9800gtx+ in the game tomb raider benchmarks it says
The Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 takes the lead here, but remember ATI cards can only go up to 4x AA on this benchmark while the NVIDIA cards were tested at 16x QAA.
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so does it mean the ati cards cannot go above 4x AA.
 
Well GTX has no meaning now... Its the GTX+ whose price is in question... And it is clearly $30 expensive then 4850 if we minus the mail in rebates. If we include the mail in rebates then the difference will go till $55. Remember board partners cannot lower the MSRP of nVidia cards due to their new policy and the suggested MSRP of GTX+ is $229 while a 4850 can be had for $199 with $25 mail in rebate. Hell if you are buying two then price of 4850 goes down by $10.

Not to forget GTX+ is a dual slot design. Though its good in a way that it pushes hot air out of the system and runs pretty much noiseless but it requires one extra slot. Another thing to look out for is that it needs two 6 pin connectors while 4850 requires just one.

One thing majorly going in ATi's camp is the ability to scale the 4850. You can crossfire your system easily thanks to intel chipsets. The cards performs in nVidia's top segment range. But the thing to lookout for here is the PSU requirement and the heat generation by ATi's little monsters. Since they are single slot solutions the hot air is vented inside the cabby only. And the cards go upto 90deg. Make that into two and you have a heating problem inside the cabby.

But ATi will most definitely win it is the availability. The cards are here and are available now. And nVidia's will be available from second week of july or so.
 
with Phys X, lower temps and better performance with a price tag of 229$, this is the card to get IMO, guess nvidia spoiled the ATI party after all ;)
 
It still has more than two weeks time, people are buying 4850 like dooms day is here. so by then it would matter least with the 9800GTX+ also next week 4870 would come and if its going for 299$ on par , if not better the performance of 260 then still ati wins the race.

Its bad time for the Green team, and this is really good for us , cuz of their arrogance and lack of competition they've become lazy , well not anymore.... :)
 
9800GTX overclock bottlenecked by 256bit memory bus (thats why G80 GTX, Ultra still rules @ higher reso), 4850 overclock will provide better gains.

nVidia has nothing to do except rename GPUs. G200 series failed like G80 series, power consumption and heat uncontrollable. Praying for new avatar of 8800GT.
 
You guys should realize that at what res does GTX+ performs better. If it is running @ 1280x1024 and in a particular game giving a FPS of 110 as compared to a 4850 pushing 96 odd FPS then there is no point compareing cause it means nothing.

At high resolutions as in 1600x1200 odd and 1900x1200 they perform just about touching distance of each other. If one wants to spend $30-$50 for that extra 5 FPS then it would not be wise IMPO.

Just to support my views here is a survey which i posted on TE yesterday.

http://www.techenclave.com/gaming/whats-your-basic-gaming-res-113525-2.html

If you see the results you will realize that more people are playing are higher resolutions these days. A gfx card has outperform at those res which GTX+ is not doing with its price tag. I hope i made my point clear.
 
SidhuPunjab said:
9800GTX overclock bottlenecked by 256bit memory bus (thats why G80 GTX, Ultra still rules @ higher reso), 4850 overclock will provide better gains.
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quite true,G92 is bandwidth limited most of the time.

but g80 there are things like TPC of G80 is not even as good as G84 or G9x.

So it balances partially.

nVidia has nothing to do except rename GPUs. G200 series failed like G80 series, power consumption and heat uncontrollable. Praying for new avatar of 8800GT.
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There are many things,faster single card will be the one most will prefer due to reasons such as

1.Endless headaches with SLI & CF (like driver,games etc)

2.micro stuttering (some do care)

and arguably with more heat o/p too.

Power consumption is pretty controlled in case of g200,idle power & purevideo hardly consumes any more power than those mid-range cores (g92,rv670 etc).

well,you have to pay some price for these tho.

and btw i hope you dont mean g80 is a failure,do you..
 
mutant said:
with Phys X, lower temps and better performance with a price tag of 229$, this is the card to get IMO, guess nvidia spoiled the ATI party after all ;)
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Its not that physx simulation is only present in 9800gtx+ , it is present in all CUDA ready gpus n those r 8800 to gtx200 series.

source : GeForce GTX 280 review
 
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