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Front loading or top loading washing machine?
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my preference is for LG. But as we've recently learnt Samsung does not have a sealed tub.
Basically the same as what blr_p replied.
Whirlpool, bosch Siemens have sealed drum so expensive repairs(50% the cost of new machine). The drum in bosch siemens last anywhere between 4 to 6 years, Whirpool( worlds largest appliance maker) around 7 to 8 years.
Panasonic has few models with removable drum but their service is limited to big cities and even there its outsourced. Also spares may not be readily available.
Amazon basics, haier, motorola have poor service with zero spares but the bearings can be changed by skilled local repair shops.
Samsung has spider failing in just 3 to 4 years. Have they improved in the models launched this decade, only time will tell.
LG is the recommended brand.
Or if you don't mind the high end Miele, even their paint has a 10 year warranty that it won't fade. But for the price of 1 Miele you can get 2 Lg machines.
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only consider if the drum is 64 litres. According to a comment i saw on UKWG website, the tub of the Miele 59 litre model is sealed
Miles's duty cycle from what I can gauge is 5,000 washes. Which is double what you can expect from LG or Samsung.
Similar is the story with Beko which a swiss youtuber raves about here and here.
I told him to mention the tub is sealed on Beko's but his reply was it comes with SKF bearings and should be good for 15 years.
Voltas has a JV with Beko so its a matter of time before their machines appear in India if not already.
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TinTinSnowy
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Yes the basic model of Miele was talked about having sealed drum. But the thing is washing machine efficiency and connected tech keeps improving, so while Miele may last longer, its twice the price isn't worth it. Also other thinks like shocks, door gasket, hoses, drain motor etc will be very expensive for Miele.only consider if the drum is 64 litres. According to a comment i saw on UKWG website, the tub of the Miele 59 litre model is sealed
Miles's duty cycle from what I can gauge is 5,000 washes. Which is double what you can expect from LG or Samsung.
Similar is the story with Beko which a swiss youtuber raves about here and here.
I told him to mention the tub is sealed on Beko's but his reply was it comes with SKF bearings and should be good for 15 years.
Voltas has a JV with Beko so its a matter of time before their machines appear in India if not already.
Beko has sealed drums, its a turkey based manufacturer. I wanted to buy there dryer but they imported only in 2020 and they sold that stock till 2022 and is now out of stock everywhere. So that will give you an Idea regarding getting spares for it.
SKF bearing good but what about the seals, when they give away SKF will only delay the inevitable.
I would stick with separate machines for dryer and washer. Only if you have absolute space constraints and no space to dry cloths in the sun/ shade would I consider a combo machine.
I myself am looking for a separate dryer. Most cheap dryers just use a heating coil to blow hot air like a hair dryer, these will destroy the cloths very soon and need 3kwh of energy per cycle. The next step is the condense dryer these require about 2kwh per cycle and most expensive dryers which are gentle on the cloths are heat pump dryers these are about 1kwh per cycle.
The heat pump dryers use the hot air from the condenser coil (like Ac outdoor unit) which maxes out at around 45c to 50c of hot air, this air is blown to the tumbling drum, the humid air now coming out of the drum is they passed to the evaporator coil of the compressor, where the humid air is condensed to water (like the split AC indoor unit) and drained out or stored in a container.
In heat pump dryers you further have one with fixed speed compressor and other with Variable speed aka inverter compressor, these inverter compressor further reduced the power consumption to about 0.8kwh per cycle. When I say cycle in this post, its the cycle to cupboard dry.
In India only 3 companies have heat pump dryer Beko out of stock, Siemens and LG(inverter) most expensive is LG, while beko is half the cost.
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If you are prepared to do regular maintenance, which includes a strip down at least once every 2-3 years to remove lint. They cannot clean themselves and this applies to standalone dryers that LG claims are supposed to be self-maintaining. Even the heat pump kind. More detail here
@sriharsha_m has one
Post a link to this product. The steam cycle is what they are using for the refresh. It will not compete with a dedicated clothes steamer.
If you don't have steam, the normal way to refresh clothes that have been sitting in the cupboard for a long time is to use the quick wash. That is the only purpose the quick wash cycle is for. Not to clean clothes though I see some people mistakenly using it for cleaning purposes. Another reason is with new clothes before wearing them.
They cost more and are more complicated to fix. However, Sammy's prices for washer-dryer are quite competitive compared to LG.
There is the convenience where you put the clothes in at night and wake in the morning to cupboard dry. The energy running costs will be more.
I wanted to get one but the good folks at UKWG put me off so I went with a basic washer and line dry.
The way to do it when humidity is high is to put the clothes out as early in the day as possible. If they are put out before the afternoon they will dry in 24h with an 800 rpm spin. This is with 70+% humidity, hung underneath a balcony in peak rain season. My rule for spin speed is if humidity is higher than 60% use 800 rpm tops otherwise 400 rpm.
If you put them out at night then they won't be dry come 24h and you will have to wait for the next morning.
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TinTinSnowy
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I do have bit space constraint that is why I was looking at 2-in-1 option. I am not sure about stacking washer and dryer. We have a semi-automatic machine right now with clothes being sun dried in the balcony. I want to make the job easier for mom. So the two options are to hire a maid for washing clothes in the semi-automatic and then drying them or get a fully automatic machine with a dryer.
I was also considering top loading fully automatic machine since our clothes are not dirty due to close proximity to office location / less traveling. It's take up lesser space, easier to move around and cheap to repair.
I see the 2-in-1 products are not there yet even though more convenient than a separate washer and dryer.
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Thig to check is whether this IFB tub is sealed. If you are able to look under and take a photo of the tub it will be more clear.
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You can also consider this one : https://www.amazon.in/Bosch-Inverter-Automatic-Loading-Washing/dp/B08PZBZD5M
roygarg
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I'm steering clear of sealed drums. If I were to go for a 46 cm depth machine, LG has a cheaper option.
mayank4823
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Samsung 7KG model with 55 cm depth will cost ~10k less than LG 8KG. Save that for spider failure.
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I will have to buy a new washing machine sooner or later as my current Videocon Top loader is giving issue with gears as per technicians. Which will be good machine to go for in the range of 12-15k. Also many technicians told not to go for Inverter motors. Any recommendations please?
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A relative, a family with two kids went with a Sammy in 2011, they replaced it with a Bosch in 2018-19. No spider failure.
Since they did not want to spend more they went with a 44cm depth machine. Naturally, it got used twice a day often. The reason for the replacement was since it was a 5kg machine it started to refuse loads after some time because they were too heavy. I did not understand why this problem occurred after some time when it was not there before. After discovering about this calibration business with Sammy's I think that might have been the cause. Hard to know because I only learnt years after they changed the machine. And it is certain they will be looking for another when the Bosch gives them trouble.
Since they got a good seven years out of it I'm not buying the Samsung spider failure in under five years provided you use front load detergent.
Can anyone tell me what kind of detergent this guy is using with his brand new Samsung front loader? here
I'm not aware of any blue-coloured front-load detergent. So that is something else which should not be used.
You run the machine more often. These machines have a 2,500-wash duty cycle assuming maintenance and no hard water.
Even for one person, I would recommend a 55cm depth machine. You will do laundry less. Less wear and tear means longer lasting machine.
Might have been true when I demonstrated some time ago through the spare parts website that the 45cm Bosch did not have sealed tubs. Don't take it for granted.
If Bosch & Siemens have sealed the rest of their line there is always the chance the same will occur at some point with these smaller models as well.
So double-check in the manner i showed to be on the safe side if at any time you decide to go with such a machine.
The power consumption values seem a bit odd to me
At 40 degrees i measured half what they claim as well as with the boil wash.
40 degree washes work out to under half a unit and the tub clean and boil wash are about a unit.
I also find it surprising the ommission of the cottons cycle which is the one that can handle that rated load of the machine. Cottons is the flagship cycle of any machine. The one you will use the most often.
Might be using warm temperature rinses. Though I can't figure out whether that is the case using their cryptic manual. More rinses or longer wash cycles don't really add much to power consumption. Its when that heater comes on that the power consumption goes up. I won't knock it. Warm water washing is the best washing you can get.
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Front loading or top loading washing machine?
I don't know if you are aware but at least here in Mumbai, 90% of the technicians out there simply persuade customers, almost force them to not go with anything inverter by saying that kharcha zaada badhta hai and that it gets damaged soon. Therefore they say it's not worth it even in ACs as...
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Here's one candidate
Check out this Amazon review of Surf Excel Easy Wash Detergent Powder - 5 Kg
Veru useful to my home
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I don't know what the size of the scoop is but 3 scoops for a front loader seems excessive.
They gently nudge towards more specialist products which you should be using in the first place
